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Post by denis23 on May 15, 2011 17:27:07 GMT
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on May 15, 2011 18:15:26 GMT
Which car sold the donor car or the one in the picture  that may have been the reason for the low price? All the service history and MOT's etc mean nothing as what belongs to what a bit of a shame as it looks a good job! and probably cost "at least" twice as much as they got . |
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Post by denis23 on May 15, 2011 19:28:59 GMT
Well. What can I say, as trying to establish small car restoration business here in Estonia, ultimate quality "nut to nut and bolt to bolt" restoration of car like P5B will cost appr. 20 000 GBP + time and nerves + car itself. I guesse, in UK you can easily double this number.
Well, the question - does this car really nut and bolt restored, or simply good original car resprayed and retrimmed? But looking to the panel wood and under the bonnet, I guess - ansver is YES.
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Post by tonys on May 15, 2011 19:35:15 GMT
I am 99% certain that this is the car advertised at a dealer in Exeter around the end of 2010 with a price tag of £17,995. It wasn't there when I called in to see it, and then, after quite a while, disappeared from their adverts. It did look very good in their photos but was clearly advertised as having been completely restored - no mention of a different body though.
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Post by denis23 on May 15, 2011 19:41:39 GMT
As far as I understand, we are not speaking about E-type or Corvette, so body swap is not any significant factor for the price. But interesting, yeah, I was almost buying it.
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on May 15, 2011 20:08:06 GMT
If you are claiming history such as miles, Mot documentation since 1977 then you change the body in 2004 it throws it all out the window.
Restored yes but with no history is a better description IMHO
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Post by denis23 on May 15, 2011 20:42:55 GMT
Well...agree, you right.
Actually, knowing how nuts and bolts restoration looks, I can say, that you can throw history file to the window even without changing the body)))
But tell me please - is the history remains, if car is converted to LHD, without changing the body (but with changing front panel, steering column, wirings, etc)? ;D
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on May 15, 2011 21:03:50 GMT
We could kick the around till the cows come home and still end up where we started  |
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Post by denis23 on Jul 10, 2011 18:54:13 GMT
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Post by glennr on Jul 10, 2011 21:22:13 GMT
Well the engine bay could do with some work and that is a lot of money. I won't talk the car down though, as if someone is going to buy it, it shows what some people are prepared to pay. I am sure I recognise that number plate. I am sure it belonged to a Reverend.
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Post by mcgill on Jul 10, 2011 21:50:30 GMT
Not this motor,but on same site i see that PSB 35L sold,,,,,i do like that plate....
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Post by glennr on Jul 11, 2011 17:48:00 GMT
We could kick the around till the cows come home and still end up where we started Hi John Boy, many thanks for the work you have done for me recently. I have put a cheque in the post for a drink and to cover the cost of the work you have done plus regarding postage etc. You have saved me pounds. Thank you for sending me your address to duly pay you. I forgot what it was to my shame  |
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Jul 11, 2011 20:50:47 GMT
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Post by lagain on Jul 12, 2011 21:06:22 GMT
Surely if it is an 'M' reg it should have the later brake fluid reservoir, rather than the metal one, or am I getting confused with the P6 ?
Why is the coil on the inner nearside wing. A pity the wipers do not park and that they did not put the correct tyres on it !
If the wheels are new where did they come from ?
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Jul 12, 2011 21:41:13 GMT
Surely if it is an 'M' reg it should have the later brake fluid reservoir, rather than the metal one, or am I getting confused with the P6 ? Why is the coil on the inner nearside wing. A pity the wipers do not park and that they did not put the correct tyres on it ! If the wheels are new where did they come from ? It should be a Plastic one New wheels as in different to what was on the car? |
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Post by glennr on Jul 14, 2011 7:08:45 GMT
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Post by tonys on Jul 15, 2011 21:13:18 GMT
The internet does make it possible, and interesting, to follow cars sold at different times/locations. I know dealers have to make a living, but sometimes the mark-up is almost comical.
Why is that people will happily pay X at a dealer but wouldn't touch the same car for X/2 from the original owner (answers not necessary!).
I looked at a Jag at a main dealer recently and was told 'all we've had to do is wash it and put it on the forecourt' - pity they didn't sort a few of it's little problems though, as it made me wonder what the advantage of paying their premium price was (warranty excepted, of course).
I'm waiting to see whether a rather nice early Range Rover that went through Bonhams auction at Goodwood recently appears in the classifieds, and at what price!
Whinge over, back to hot chocolate, pipe and slippers.
Edited: Just read advert properly and I see it says private sale. So a 'private' buyer from Italy comes over to the UK, buys a car, takes it back home and decides to change it again a few weeks later. Hmmm
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Post by denis23 on Jul 15, 2011 22:05:03 GMT
Ill say you why, Tonys, so much people prefer to pay some premium to the dealer, instead of original owner.
Well, because from ten original owners adverts, one or two is fake made by thieves, two or three is published by drunkers or psychopates, who will rape your brains instead of making the deal, another two or three is people, who are not able to make any normal pictures of the car or put some sentences together, and may be one or two is ok people.
I afraid, that the portrait of average buyer is approximately the same.
For me it was always biggest deal to convience people to speak with foreigner at all - especially in UK and Sweden, near half of the people is refuse to talk.
So probably enought reason to buy car from dealer or from the auction?
Well, I afraid that the same
Definitely the auction houses should invent some high-res online galleries about the cars - its 21st century, and be able to ansver some elementary questions like: does the car starts, does gearbox works etc.
Unless, the cars on the auctions will be sold with great discount from the market.
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Post by colnerov on Jul 15, 2011 23:45:02 GMT
Hi, denis23 you have a very cynical view of the world. Not entirely
without justification I admit.
People will buy from a dealer because they get greater protection,
if they buy a stolen car from a private seller they lose the car and
the money, if they buy it from a dealer they lose the car but stand
half a chance of getting the money back.
As far as auctions are concerned it is not their responsibility to make
any declaration about the vehicle, that is down to the seller to say
whether there are any faults.
Colin
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Post by denis23 on Jul 16, 2011 9:50:56 GMT
thats important to understand, that all my statement I do basing on the my personal humble opinion, calling different adverts, mainly from car and classic and ebay...no expectations, just personal experience...
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Post by glennr on Jul 17, 2011 7:20:37 GMT
Hi Denis, I agree with what you are generally saying. I have got very cynical over the years and it has saved me a lot of money and grief as a result. If I am not happy they will or I will walk away.
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Post by denis23 on Jul 17, 2011 10:25:18 GMT
And probably, needless to say, that those handful genuine classic owners, who are...
...friendly and polite
...able to put together honest description and make normal high-res pictures
...willing to let control ownership proof prior the deal
...they usually get free from their cars quite quickly and at normal price.
I bought my P5B from the Club member and it was pleasure to make this deal, and it was third or fourth attempt I did to buy Rover, but previous persons had...little bit alternative behaviour, if saying softly.
And I bought my car not the because the low price (which was quite high as I think), but because the person was very honest and kind and send me photos and did description and as final, we did troubless deal - he got the money and car was shipped to Estonia.(I never seeing it before it arrives here, as it was distant deal)
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that may have been the reason for the low price?
The car looks better in the earlier link. Especially the engine bay.