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Post by Brendan69 on Dec 3, 2018 13:07:06 GMT
Water ingress was the biggest problem to sort out on mine and I new about it when I bought it and as along as that's not a problem with yours you won't have that much to worry about I will have to change all 4 door inside rubber seals and the boot lid seal though as they are showing signs of perishing etc so I will attend to this job in time albeit I am not looking forward to it as I gather they are a PITA to do as they are bonded on to the doors and body in the case of the boot seal. LOL. I would value any advice on this subject from anyone who has RECENTLY done this job along with any good pointers. Cheers,
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Post by dhb5610 on Dec 3, 2018 14:40:45 GMT
Any seals you want are obtainable from Wadhams and the bonding agent I had the seals on the side windows, doors and boot done plus the windscreen. not all really needed replacing but they were done as it was easier to do them whilst the car was in bits the main ones that did need doing in my case were the boot seal and the windscreen
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Post by richardlamsdale on Dec 3, 2018 15:01:29 GMT
Yes, all seals are available from Wadhams. I've done all mine on my Coupe. I don't think they're a pain to do, you just need to follow the instructions and take your time. Clean the channels well of any old glue or dirt etc (get some contact adhesive remover), then use a good contact adhesive to fix them in place as directed (I used Evo-Stick, but others may have their own preferences). The seals will take some time to bed-in, so expect the doors etc to be harder to shut for a time once they're done.
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Dec 3, 2018 15:15:17 GMT
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Post by dhb5610 on Dec 3, 2018 15:37:36 GMT
I agree Dave Green does sell seals and I did have some they are less expensive but in my expirence and I will stress that point I found the Wadhams seal were better quality and I not normally Wadhams biggest fan.
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Post by Brendan69 on Dec 3, 2018 15:40:17 GMT
Are we talking pennies in difference or a lot of pounds difference?? also does he have them all in stock NOW and ready to post out??? Ive collated a large list of items today off the JR Wadham's site which amounts to about £650 including postage which I thought would have been FREE for such a large order. They also don't seem to offer ANY discounts at all even though their site at checkout stage has an " offer code/discount coupon box??? Has anyone got an ACTIVE offer code I could maybe use??? Regards,
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Post by Brendan69 on Dec 3, 2018 15:42:07 GMT
I agree Dave Green does sell seals and I did have some they are less expensive but in my expirence and I will stress that point I found the Wadhams seal were better quality and I not normally Wadhams biggest fan. Great advice. Thanks. I also wish JR Wadham's would offer some sort of a discount to club members seeing as its us who are keeping them going.
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Post by dhb5610 on Dec 3, 2018 15:46:20 GMT
Good luck with that, I asked the same question as was met with a deafening silence and sometimes thing take an age to arrive
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Post by Brendan69 on Dec 3, 2018 16:07:48 GMT
Good luck with that, I asked the same question as was met with a deafening silence and sometimes thing take an age to arrive LOL, I wonder if the club top brass can laise with them and ask for a discount code for club members??? or has this already been tried and failed. LOL. It appears we are all at the mercy of all the parts suppliers these days sadly when it comes to prices. I do appreciate they are running a business though albeit some form of a discount and or free postage would help. My order alone today had an extra £50 on top for postage which I find very hard to accept simply because I use a courier all the time and their prices are brilliant. Regards
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Post by lagain on Dec 3, 2018 17:18:18 GMT
I have always had mud flaps on mine and would replace them if they fell off.
If you have a problem with water coming in it can be the seal between the stainless trim and the roof. There is a thin line of black mastic but it needs to seal due to the way the screens are fitted. When I bought mine back in 1975 water leaked into the boot, so I did the obvious thing and drilled a couple of holes through the boot floor so that it could run out ! It may also be the more obvious screen rubber where the glass sits. If the screen rubber is still flexible re-seal it. I did mine about 10 years ago with black silicone bathroom sealent and it has not leaked since.
I replaced my door rubbers with a set from Scotts (australia) (I think that these are the ones David Green stocks ) also the boot rubber. The boot rubber from Wadhams ended up in the bin. I also wrote an article for the magazine about fitting the door rubbers. The Scotts are not perfect, probably 8 out of 10. I do not know how the Wadhams rubbers fit.
As for a discount from Wadhams for club members, probably most of his customers are club members and while he is very lucky to get our custom, where would we be without him ?
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Post by dhb5610 on Dec 3, 2018 17:34:59 GMT
For an alternate supplier for a good range of Rover parts try Roverpart of London they gave me good service recently for all the front suspension bushes and he is very accommodating with postage. It's an eBay shop but his stock is all genuine Rover parts.
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Dec 3, 2018 17:56:14 GMT
Are we talking pennies in difference or a lot of pounds difference?? also does he have them all in stock NOW and ready to post out??? Ive collated a large list of items today off the JR Wadham's site which amounts to about £650 including postage which I thought would have been FREE for such a large order. They also don't seem to offer ANY discounts at all even though their site at checkout stage has an " offer code/discount coupon box??? Has anyone got an ACTIVE offer code I could maybe use??? Regards, Lets say JRW and our club have had/has problems and you wont get discount quoting you a P5 club member I have used David Greens seals on several cars and have found the good quality they are made by Scott in Australia! Price from David you wont know until you ask!! and he has seals in stock, he is also a club member and an Area Rep!!
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Post by petervdvelde on Dec 3, 2018 19:18:25 GMT
Also have a set of Scotts seals from David Green and tried to fit these to my Coupe but am not happy with these. Started with the rear door and found there was a rather wide gap between the body and the SS frame. Could easily move a piece of 2mm thick plastic between the body and the frame with the seal fitted. This means water would get threw there. Tried to adjust the SS frame but this did not help. Compared the seal with the ones which were on there before and the seals from David are a lot smaller -the seal on the left is the one from David Green (Scots rubber) and the one on the right is the old one. You can clearly see that the Scotts seal is much smaller and could let water in. Also had a look at my daily Coupe and saw seals fitted like the old larger one. I also noticed that the seal set from Scott consists 2 types of seals and on my daily Coupe there are 4 different seal types fitted to one door. My daily has also new seals fitted and these keep the water out very well. I looked at the Wadhams site and saw that these have 4 different seals in a set for one door door so i assume the Wadhams seals are fitted to my daily. Peter
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Post by Brendan69 on Dec 3, 2018 19:33:29 GMT
Also have a set of Scotts seals from David Green and tried to fit these to my Coupe but am not happy with these. Started with the rear door and found there was a rather wide gap between the body and the SS frame. Could easily move a piece of 2mm thick plastic between the body and the frame with the seal fitted. This means water would get threw there. Tried to adjust the SS frame but this did not help. Compared the seal with the ones which were on there before and the seals from David are a lot smaller -the seal on the left is the one from David Green (Scots rubber) and the one on the right is the old one. You can clearly see that the Scotts seal is much smaller and could let water in. Also had a look at my daily Coupe and saw seals fitted like the old larger one. I also noticed that the seal set from Scott consists 2 types of seals and on my daily Coupe there are 4 different seal types fitted to one door. My daily has also new seals fitted and these keep the water out very well. I looked at the Wadhams site and saw that these have 4 different seals in a set for one door door so i assume the Wadhams seals are fitted to my daily. Peter Hi and thanks. It looks like it will be the JRW items I will get then. Best regards,
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Post by djm16 on Dec 3, 2018 23:40:43 GMT
I am going to stick up for JRW. I personally think that his prices are quite reasonable. The service I have received for return and reconditioning of radiator, temperature gauge and water pump has been just fine.
The quality of some of the reproduction parts is lower than Rover OEM. That is unfortunate, but is the nature of the beast rather than a fault attributable to JRW.
So come on, less knocking, and how about being grateful we are not paying Rolls-Royce prices.
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Post by djm16 on Dec 3, 2018 23:44:31 GMT
Regarding the difference between the section of the Scotts seal and the Rover seal, we do have a choice. The club could easily commission a couple of hundred metres of the correct section seal and keep them in stock for members. My guess though is that it would not sell as members would rather buy the cheaper off-the-peg part that doesn't quite fit.
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Post by richardlamsdale on Dec 4, 2018 0:59:33 GMT
I have to agree with djm. I also have an Alfa from the same period as our Rovers, and the prices of parts for that are similar or higher, with quality similar or worse. The Alfa has several suppliers of classic parts so you'd think the increased competition would improve quality and/or reduce the price, but it doesn't - they largely buy from the same manufacturers and so their prices are very similar. And that car sold in much larger numbers so the potential market today is larger. Our Rovers only sold in small numbers, and the number surviving today is very small.
I've always found Wadhams helpful and polite, and the one time they made a mistake they sorted it quickly. I'm not suggesting we treat Wadhams like a charity, but without them our cars would become museum pieces.
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Post by OlafR on Dec 4, 2018 9:26:37 GMT
Also have a set of Scotts seals from David Green and tried to fit these to my Coupe but am not happy with these. Duh, that's quite the info here. I thought I was lucky to find a complete set at the Beaulieu Autojumble at a bargain price (£50!). Haven't yet gotten round to fitting them yet, but with your statement I'm wondering whether I'd better buy the ones from Wadham's. davidg : can you quote on this? Would it be possible that Peter has an older type of seal or even the wrong ones? This is the first time for me hearing that Scott's rubbers are anything but great! Cheers, Olaf
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Dec 6, 2018 9:23:37 GMT
Also have a set of Scotts seals from David Green and tried to fit these to my Coupe but am not happy with these. Duh, that's quite the info here. I thought I was lucky to find a complete set at the Beaulieu Autojumble at a bargain price (£50!). Haven't yet gotten round to fitting them yet, but with your statement I'm wondering whether I'd better buy the ones from Wadham's. davidg : can you quote on this? Would it be possible that Peter has an older type of seal or even the wrong ones? This is the first time for me hearing that Scott's rubbers are anything but great! Cheers, Olaf I have had no problems fitting Scotts seals, "several years ago" I was fitting a front seal on a coupe and it was too long so I contacted Scott and he asked me to measure around the screen for him which I did and the seals were rectified. I have fitted a few since with no problem. I emailed Scott re his doors seals his answer re the comparison shown in the pictures is :- "that profile Waddams is using is amazing, so far off it is not funny. Some cars do have a problem with the seal being too small, but that is very rare"
I don't have the gap shown on my Coupe!! We need suppliers like JRW for sure he has a great range of spares it would be nice if our "club members" qualified for some "club" discount!
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Post by petervdvelde on Dec 6, 2018 10:39:27 GMT
Hi John,
Thanks for your reply. The issue i am pointing at is not the front and rear window seals but the door seals. The set from Scott for the rear doors uses mainly one type (D-type) of seal for the entire door and there is a small area near the door handle where they say one should stretch the D type seal or replace this small piece with a C type deal.
So basically i had 2 problems. On the SS door frames the seals were way too thin leaving enough room to slide a piece of plastic between frame and body. I tried to adjust the frame but this did not work as near the doors, the frames cannot be adjusted much so there was this gap. I used search on the forum and there were more people speaking about water ingress because of thin Scott seals (If i remember correctly one of them was "Iagain" mentioning water ingress during hand washing and gluing pieces of rubber to increase the thickness of the seal.
The second problem was that the D type seal was way to thick to fit onto the lower horizontal part of the rear door. I know the seals have to settle for a while but this would not have helped so i had to cut a piece of the thickness to make it fit.
Looking at the seals fitted to my daily Coupe, i see that for the rear doors, 4 different shaped seals have been used which vary a lot in shape and thickness.
I am always in for downsizing the number of parts but i think its not possible to replace the 4 seals by just one and get to a proper closing door which is free of water ingress. It would be interesting to know how the original Rover door seals looked like but i am pretty sure Rover did not supply our cars with mainly 1 type of seal fitted to the rear doors.
Most people only use their cars in dry Sunny wheather but my Rover is used all year round and fitted with new carpets so do not want water ingress. I have ordered a full set of door seals for my project P5B from Wadhams and once arrived and fitted, i will make a comparison between the Wadhams and Scott seals and report it on the forum.
Peter
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Post by Brendan69 on Dec 6, 2018 12:22:14 GMT
Regarding the difference between the section of the Scotts seal and the Rover seal, we do have a choice. The club could easily commission a couple of hundred metres of the correct section seal and keep them in stock for members. My guess though is that it would not sell as members would rather buy the cheaper off-the-peg part that doesn't quite fit. I certainly WOULD NOT buy a cheap alternative. Whats the point??? Regards,
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Post by Brendan69 on Dec 6, 2018 12:30:20 GMT
I am going to stick up for JRW. I personally think that his prices are quite reasonable. The service I have received for return and reconditioning of radiator, temperature gauge and water pump has been just fine. The quality of some of the reproduction parts is lower than Rover OEM. That is unfortunate, but is the nature of the beast rather than a fault attributable to JRW. So come on, less knocking, and how about being grateful we are not paying Rolls-Royce prices. Im NOT knocking JRW at all. As a newby I just wish to know who is the BEST supplier to use and it appears to me via my own findings over this last week or so that JRW are indeed the best supplier so I will use them from here on in. Its just a shame no club member discount is offered especially as they actually have an offer code box section at their checkout online before paying which is useless if they don't offer any discounts. Also I think a lot of you are lucky too as ive owned a Bentley in the past few years and now also have an Aston Martin and if you think prices for Rover parts are steep then try a RR or Aston!!! LOL. Eye watering it is albeit sadly the dealers know they have a market and a captive audience which is why they charge their own prices to suit them. Supply and demand I suppose and its all good fun, " I think " LOL. Regards,
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2019 9:55:53 GMT
I know this is a rather old thread but I wonder if Peter was able to compare the two available door seals and come to a conclusion (and if others concurred). I'm considering renewing all the seals on my Coupes doors,it lives inside so water ingress isn't the issue but I hate wind noise in a vehicle and mine sounds like someone on the back seat has been let loose with a penny tin whistle at speed. Id rather fit stuff that fits than save a few quid on stuff that doesn't,and over the years I've learnt to try and ignore sellers attitudes as long as their product is OK.
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Jun 11, 2019 10:47:01 GMT
Which ever seal you use you will get a bit of wind noise on a coupe
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2019 15:38:12 GMT
Which ever seal you use you will get a bit of wind noise on a coupe That answers my next question John,and confirms what I thought might be true. A shame,one thing that impresses me about my Range Rover is the total abscence of wind noise,even though the seals look a pretty feeble affair. To be fair its one area where modern design and materials seem to have improved things
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