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Post by oldpom on May 28, 2019 19:22:50 GMT
hi all, just purchased a 59 MK1 with a non working clutch. Couple of questions as I am in Australia and trying to find either a clutch kit or have it refurbished if possible so,
1. are the clutches able to be repaired/refurbished? 2. i was told that early land rovers had the same clutch so, would that be easier to get hold of? 3. how labour intensive is the job? 4. would anyone have the part numbers for the clutch?
thanks in advance
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Post by Phil Nottingham on May 28, 2019 21:04:13 GMT
Easy nuts and bolts job and clutch plate is similar and perhaps identical to LRs of 50s-60s. S3 LR of 72 used diaphragm type and is not easily swappable.
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Post by enigmas on May 29, 2019 6:06:05 GMT
From a fellow Aussie...where are you situated in OZ?
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Post by oldpom on May 31, 2019 1:59:34 GMT
Hi enigma, it is Dave with the P5B, how are you?
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Post by enigmas on May 31, 2019 6:50:31 GMT
Hi Dave...well that's a surprise! I didn't realize it was someone I knew and relative close to home.
This is a great forum with a lot of knowledge guys with extensive and very useful tech info that could prove invaluable to you and your 'new' ride.
Good luck with this one and hopefully its a pleasant surprise.
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Post by oldpom on May 31, 2019 10:06:05 GMT
Many thanks mate, I have everything crossed that this one will do what the other one could not lol
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Post by enigmas on May 31, 2019 10:23:59 GMT
That's fantastic. Check your Facebook PMs...I've sent you a number of links that may prove useful to your current situation. (Vince)
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Post by oldpom on May 31, 2019 12:26:33 GMT
Thanks mate,,got them.
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Post by oldpom on Jun 2, 2019 23:49:43 GMT
After talking with enigmas, he got me asking the question that, if the car will not go in to gear when engine is off or on, could it be something else other than the clutch.
enigmas pointed out that worn clutch will go into gear easily and, as mine does not, could it be hydraulic problem? Any thoughts appreciated.
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Jun 3, 2019 8:22:46 GMT
Its easy to check if its hydraulic - have someone operate the clutch, pumping it as well whilst you observe the movement from below
It may just need bleeding!
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Post by enigmas on Jun 4, 2019 7:56:12 GMT
Hi Phil et al. I visited the garage where David has his 3 litre nestling at the moment. The good news is that the car does select gears and that the clutch seemingly functions. The pedal felt fine and felt to have the correct resistance when depressed. The engine is not running at the moment so it was just a static test in an immobile car.
One point of contention though is that the gear selection is stiff. I have no knowledge of the internal selector mechanisms and am guessing that they may be dry as the car hasn't been in use for quite some time? How long...I don't know? It certainly is one long gearstick tucking under the parcel tray.
If any of the knowledgeable 3 litre manual trans guys on the forum could chime in and provide some informed tech advice (stiff gear selection) I'm sure it'd be most helpful for David.
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Post by oldpom on Jun 4, 2019 10:27:20 GMT
Many thanks enigmas. I spoke to previous owner who said.
"Hi David, . The car was last driven about 2 months ago. When I went to drive it the car started fine but I couldn't get it into gear without a fair bit of "crunch". I tried to start the car with clutch depressed and in first gear but it simply lurched forward and stalled the motor. Tried that a few times as well as when in reverse- same result.
My mechanics (who are all under 40! 🙄) didn't think the box was the problem but rather the clutch. When it was driveable gear changes were quite ok but now really stiff as your man found.
If it's simply a dry box then a few liters of oil may well be your friend...and my loss!
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Post by oldpom on Jun 21, 2019 11:09:33 GMT
Just a quick update. My mechanic got car started ( turned over first time after battery charged up happy as lol). He managed to jiggle it into gear somehow to drive it on to hoist. When I went over he got me to pump the clutch while he checked under car. It appears that everything is working up to the gearbox, all arms moving bit, not going into gear which he suspects may be inside the box and might be clutch plate locked up.
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Post by oldpom on Jun 21, 2019 11:10:15 GMT
Just a quick update. My mechanic got car started ( turned over first time after battery charged up happy as lol). He managed to jiggle it into gear somehow to drive it on to hoist. When I went over he got me to pump the clutch while he checked under car. It appears that everything is working up to the gearbox, all arms moving but, not going into gear which he suspects may be inside the box and might be clutch plate locked up.
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Post by djm16 on Jun 21, 2019 13:38:09 GMT
You have to take the gearbox out to replace the rear main seal anyway, and check the rear journal and thrust bearings. So bite the bullet and take the gearbox out!
No doubt Phil will tell is how hard / easy that is with a manual. I only know about the DG box which is an absolute female dog to take out.
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Jun 21, 2019 14:50:26 GMT
Never tried to remove a manual P5 box - I removed my P5 engine/DG box as one unit. The P5B autobox can easily be removed from inside the car through the removable tunnel cover so I am sure the manual gearbox can be done especially if the o/d unit with tail shaft is removed first. DO NOT remove the overdrive unit from the tailshaft though.
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Post by oldpom on Jun 22, 2019 0:55:19 GMT
Thanks guys. Our MK1 has no overdrive.
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Post by oldpom on Jun 27, 2019 7:38:00 GMT
 ![]() filebin.net/kzthacdtku8urywtQuick update. Mechanic has found the problem by the look of it , the two plates were stuck together. He did send me a video but got no idea how to post it here. thanks to enigmas here is the video.
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Jun 27, 2019 9:17:15 GMT
filebin.net/kzthacdtku8urywtQuick update. Mechanic has found the problem by the look of it , the two plates were stuck together. He did send me a video but got no idea how to post it here. The old cure  front bumper with an old tyre against a post/tree then select gear a few times and wait for the judder as the plates clear! |
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Post by enigmas on Jun 27, 2019 16:56:01 GMT
David post the video on Youtube...then insert the video URL into the movie icon in the toolbar above (the 'clapper board'image)
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Post by oldpom on Jun 27, 2019 22:26:12 GMT
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Post by oldpom on Jun 30, 2019 5:28:10 GMT
Now she drives. First movement after fixing the clutch. I only saw it on this video as I am away but looks good.
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Post by enigmas on Jun 30, 2019 7:38:06 GMT
Well that's great news David. Hopefully the gearbox now has a smooth change and any engine gearbox oil leaks have also been sorted. It may also be worth you while getting onto Mark Richmond and seeing if he has a complete interior you could fit.  PS. David I've sent you a PM.(Look at Messages indicated on the Toolbar at the top of the page.) |
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Post by oldpom on Jun 30, 2019 9:30:59 GMT
Well that's great news David. Hopefully the gearbox now has a smooth change and any engine gearbox oil leaks have also been sorted. It may also be worth you while getting onto Mark Richmond and seeing if he has a complete interior you could fit. PS. David I've sent you a PM.(Look at Messages indicated on the Toolbar at the top of the page.) Thanks Vince, have replied. |
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front bumper with an old tyre against a post/tree then select gear a few times and wait for the judder as the plates clear! 