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Post by David on Apr 26, 2010 9:48:43 GMT
The Rover P5 Club has a supply of 185 / 80 / 15 Federal tyres available to CLUB MEMBERS at only £50 each plus £12 carriage per pair.
To order your tyres, visit the Members Only section (password in the last issue of Take Five), select 'Special Offers & Events', then 'Tyre Offer' - please ensure you supply your Rover P5 Club Membership Number.
This offer is NOTavailable to Forum members
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Post by mcgill on Apr 26, 2010 16:36:47 GMT
0r if you live near a Nationwide Autocenter,they do them for £54 fitted each,i had avons fitted there for 290.
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Post by Geoff Arthur on Apr 27, 2010 12:26:54 GMT
0r if you live near a Nationwide Autocenter,they do them for £54 fitted each,i had avons fitted there for 290. This may have been true in the past but they had no 185 / 80 / 15 of any type when I enquired today and I am advised I secured the last 46 Federals that exist and 10 of those have gone to P5 owners already. Camskill also offer this tyre at £50.45p each on line but again have none and don't think they will get any more. They are a good tyre and look right on a P5 unlike the incorrect and often dangerous larger width options. Get in quick folks!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2010 16:31:04 GMT
I hope 195 isn't considered "dangerous" I'm having my Bridgestone 195x80x15S fitted tomorrow! On a personal note, I try not to buy anything which supports industry in the Far East and I believe Federal Tyres are made in Taiwan.
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Apr 27, 2010 19:26:28 GMT
Hardly if 205/70's are not but they are another matter I always thought Bridgestone were Japanese - they were in my motorcycling days and not noted for wet/icy weather grip as I found out more than once
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2010 19:40:19 GMT
Bridgestone were founded in Japan but now seem to be a global company with plants all over the world.
Apart from a bad experience with Michelin x's many years ago, I've never driven my car on anything but Avon/Dunlop crossplies. I'm looking forward to the new experience.
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Post by Geoff Arthur on Apr 27, 2010 23:05:19 GMT
I hope 195 isn't considered "dangerous" I'm having my Bridgestone 195x80x15S fitted tomorrow! On a personal note, I try not to buy anything which supports industry in the Far East and I believe Federal Tyres are made in Taiwan. Heck, you will struggle with that one. I bought 4 of Dunlop 9000 for my Volvo, great tyres but made in Japan. Most tyres are made in the far east now even Avon.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2010 12:48:06 GMT
Hardly if 205/70's are not but they are another matter I always thought Bridgestone were Japanese - they were in my motorcycling days and not noted for wet/icy weather grip as I found out more than once I have 205/70s on my car,are there any potential problems I should know about?
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Apr 28, 2010 18:59:08 GMT
To wide and places more stresses on steering joints which are not particularly heavy duy and also wheel bearings and power steering.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2010 19:35:20 GMT
The new tyres have vastly inproved the handling although I've only had the chance of a short run today.
The ride is quieter and the car feels more in touch with the road. Taking corners shows the biggest improvement and I can take a much tighter turn without the terrible scuffing and roar of the old xplies. For most of you, the benefits of radials are well known so forgive my over-enthusiasm!
The profile of 80 fills the wheelarch well. My only criticsm being the prominent "badging" of BRIDGESTONE and other data on the tyre walls.
Can anyone suggest the correct pressure? The fitter has left them at 30 pound/sq"
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Apr 28, 2010 20:01:25 GMT
Just what I have been saying for years! Cross plies especially old ones are dangerous in modern conditions for a car of this weight/performace
30lbs is a minimum - just watch for excess side tread wear
All modern tyres have excessive badging
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2010 20:18:25 GMT
Thanks Phil, I have finally seen the light but it was the increased useage of the car, combined with the advisory from the MOT, that tipped the balance.
I'll keep the same user name, just for old times sake ;D.
RIP 6.70 x 15 Avon Turbospeeds.
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Post by Warwick on Apr 29, 2010 0:17:22 GMT
Will you have to change your user name now? Do we have to call you Mr. Radials, or is radials okay?
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Post by Geoff Arthur on May 8, 2010 20:45:18 GMT
The new tyres have vastly inproved the handling although I've only had the chance of a short run today. The ride is quieter and the car feels more in touch with the road. Taking corners shows the biggest improvement and I can take a much tighter turn without the terrible scuffing and roar of the old xplies. For most of you, the benefits of radials are well known so forgive my over-enthusiasm! The profile of 80 fills the wheelarch well. My only criticsm being the prominent "badging" of BRIDGESTONE and other data on the tyre walls. Can anyone suggest the correct pressure? The fitter has left them at 30 pound/sq" Glad you have found the benefits of radials. I have used them for over 20 years on my P5. The 80 profile does look best on a P5 and the Federal is not over badged. By the way, there are only 22 tyres left out of the 46 I managed to reserve so if you want some, please let me know soon.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2010 11:52:56 GMT
Yes, I'm very pleased with these Bridgestone Tyres and my batch were made in Spain, now that's a bonus!
Higher speed stability is much better and the ride much quieter although I can definitely sense the steering box working harder. To offset the extra load a bit, I try to get the car moving before turning the wheel.
To be "belt and braces" I also informed my Insurance Company of the update although I wouldn't really consider the new tyres to be modifications.
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Post by Geoff Arthur on May 19, 2010 19:48:56 GMT
[They are a good tyre and look right on a P5 unlike the incorrect and often dangerous larger width options. Get in quick folks!! ] These are nearly all gone guys so now would be a good time if you want any.
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Jun 4, 2010 19:25:00 GMT
Just got my 4 from Geoff (thanks) - a real bargain. He still has a few left so if you need them or will in the few month move quickly - even if you think yours are OK I had a puncture only 2 month ago which ruined a good Kumho which was well within age limit (4 yrs and loads of tread left)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2010 16:35:47 GMT
I DO HATEFUL THINGS FOR WHICH PEOPLE LOVE ME... AND I DO LOVEABLE THINGS FOR WHICH THEY HATE ME... I'M ADMIRED FOR MY DETESTABILITY ;D NOW THEN, PERMIT ME TO DO THE MATHS..... £50.00 per tyre, plus £12.00 postage equates to £112.00. After which, you have to visit your local tyre centre and ask for them to be not only fitted, but also ballanced, which is £20.00 per wheel. £112.00 for two tyres, plus £40.00 for fitting and ballancing is £152.00. Eden Park Motors on the A21 in Catford sell brand new white wall tyres for £70.00 each, fitted and ballanced. If buying two wheels for £112.00 on the car was the offer, a good one it would be... however, when coupled with the cost of fitting and ballancing... it's actually a fairly expensive offer.
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Aug 4, 2010 17:37:48 GMT
In my motorcyling days Bridgestone tyres held the road in the wet as good as Avon Turbo speed radials which was as good as an ice cube on glass
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Post by denis23 on Aug 5, 2010 21:48:10 GMT
And my fifty cents.
Most (at least 5-6 different brands) of the WSW Diagonal tyres on the market (Coker, BF Goodrich, Cooper, American Classic and probably Firestone and Bridgestone) is produced by one maker on the one plant, from the same components and with same thread. AFAIR, it was the Coker plant. Other are only sell it under their names...
So, the name of the game, is what brand you are using, not any difference in the quality.
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Post by Geoff Arthur on Aug 7, 2010 12:38:51 GMT
I don’t know why Mungo has to come along and pour cold water on a very carefully considered service provided for P5 Club members. Perhaps he thinks it is clever rather than making him look like a pillock? I have spent many hours talking to tyre manufacturers and importers and continue to do so. Anyway, here are the facts taking into account his valuable input. 1. I spoke to Steve at Eden Park Motors. They have no tyres that will fit a P5 in either white wall or any other type. They have had several calls this week from P5 owners asking for tyres, presumably as a result of the Mungo posting and have tried hard to obtain some but there are none about. They have even spoken to Vintage Tyres Supplies and discovered the incredible prices they charge. Vintage Tyre Supplies do have stock. 2. I don’t know where the £20 per tyre fitment cost comes from. Here in Cornwall it cost me £10 per tyre and I had all 4 changed on my Coupe including valves and balancing for £35 this year. I accept Cornwall is not a place where we like to charge high prices. 3. The correct radial tyre size for a P5 is 185 / 82 / 15 but as the 82 aspect is not made, 80 is perfectly acceptable. It is legal to fit tyres of between 175 and 195mm. It is acceptable to fit tyres of lower aspect such as the 195/65 15 but this dramatically alters gearing, handling, ride and appearance. This sort of tyre may not put up with the huge forces encountered on these very heavy cars. 4. It is illegal to fit tyres that are too narrow or too wide such as 205 or 225mm. Reference to the “Wise Guide Auto Data” or an MOT testers manual will confirm this. Such tyres reduce adhesion, increase roll and can become detached under cornering forces making them dangerous. It is however a fact that most MOT testers do not enforce this on classic cars so you may well continue to pass your annual MOT despite their fitment. 5. A large number of P5s are running around on very old rubber. A tyre that is older than 12 years will probably be in need of replacement due to deterioration rather than wear. The EU intends to make it illegal to drive on tyres older than 10 years. This is being resisted by the FHVC. 6. I am endeavouring to keep a small supply of the Federal available for P5 and P4 club members although only around 25 tyres are currently scheduled for import for the rest of the year. Prices will also be going up a few percent on the next batch and at any time the tyre may be discontinued as were the Hankook and Kumho. 7. In the event that the £50 Federal disappears I have organised a supply of Vredestein at a discount to P5 Club members, however they will probably be at least twice the price of the Federal. Geoff
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Post by glennr on Aug 7, 2010 14:35:41 GMT
Hi Geoff, I contacted Eden Motors out of interest. This is the reply I got. I find that a lot of tyre suppliers consider the 185/80/15 as a van tyre. On a personal note, many thanks Geoff for all your efforts.
"Dear sir, Sorry those tyres i have just priced you on were commercial and not white walls, I've just spoke to our suppliers again, but the white wall tyres are on back order until further notice, sorry for any inconvenience Steve Sales Team Eden Park (Beckenham) Eden Park Motorist Centre Ltd 420 Upper Elmers End Road Beckenham Kent BR3 3HG
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Post by Geoff Arthur on Aug 7, 2010 18:24:07 GMT
Hi Glenn,
Ah I did not go into van tyres but then I could have taken up the whole forum with detail. There are a couple of van tyres available in the correct size. In the past I did run a P5 with Barum van tyres and it worked very well. Unfortunately the ones you can now buy are usually 8 ply, have horrid chunky tread patterns and very low speed ratings. I even had Kumho send me a van tyre to look at but it just would not work on a P5. Shame as they are about £35 each. G
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Post by Kev on Aug 8, 2010 17:57:42 GMT
Around West London it's £20 a tyre to fit if you supply them to the fitter,i got a deal for a tenner each,only because i know the guy. I'm running 205/70/15'S (Whitewalls)and have had no issues.............so far Got mine from E Bay and theyre good. Mind you i'm running the Jensen wheels ........... oh the groans i can here )))))))))))))) Big Kev.
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Post by Geoff Arthur on Aug 8, 2010 18:35:51 GMT
Kev, if you are on Jensen Rostyles or the later alloys then they could be 5.5J (the later Interceptor ones even went up to 6.5J) so a 205 would not be a problem. If they are 5J then you should not corner hard or you may end up losing a tyre from a rim. The later P6B has a 5.5J rostyle fitted so the width issue was addressed that long ago. In 1999 I bought the Richard Martin Hurst P5B TVR engined manual saloon and it had 225/70/15 tyres. It very quickly got christened "The Bouncy Castle". Once returned to 185/80/15 it's handling was transformed. Shame I had to scrap it due to rust although I still have it's glorious 3.9 engine waiting for a project to pop along. I am not surprised that you pay £20 to get a tyre fitted in London. Down yer in the real world we just wont pay such high prices. G
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