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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2011 15:25:00 GMT
Warwick, same here, sorry to hear about the floods. Over here we get the wonderful world of hurricanes and I have been through some of the worst. 18 days without electricity is hard on a city boy I can't even begin to imagine what you are all going through. But from what I know, all my Australian friends are a hardy bunch, and your brethren can drink me under the table! Robert
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2011 0:34:01 GMT
Well, good news on the rally front... I just read the 2013 Peking to Paris regulations and they have extended the age for cars up to 1975 so that opens up all the 70's P5's!! Although they rather have older cars and older classics will have first choice over the later models. So one less hurdle to deal with! I am not going to lie, some other cars are now swimming in my head, but the P5 is first on the list! ;D Robert
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2011 4:41:35 GMT
Warwick, quick question: Since my birthday is on Australia day, am I an honorary legal Australian citizen? ;D
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Post by glennr on Jan 26, 2011 16:17:46 GMT
Only if you are good at cricket
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Post by Warwick on Jan 27, 2011 10:01:07 GMT
Thanks Robert,
We call them cyclones here and they stay well up in the tropical north, thankfully. Not something I would be keen to experience. They would certainly chuck the pineapples around.
Don't forget that although the P5B survived well into the '70s, it's very much a 1950s car with an engine update.
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Post by Warwick on Jan 27, 2011 10:06:30 GMT
Warwick, quick question: Since my birthday is on Australia day, am I an honorary legal Australian citizen? ;D I guess so, but only if you can answer 3 fundamental questions. 1. What was Chips Rafferty's mother's maiden name? 2. What is the name of our native bear? 3. Who forgot to put the "u" in Qantas? Happy Birthday. (Mine's 3 days later)
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Post by glennr on Jan 27, 2011 11:33:51 GMT
Oooh Ooooh I know ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2011 6:05:47 GMT
I will get back to you on those questions, since I can't even remember what I did last week ;D Happy birthday to you as well!!! Us Aquarians are a fun bunch! In case you are wondering I just spent my 42nd birthday in my favorite place... Walt Disney world... with the kids of course, I had to use them as the excuse to go Robert
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Post by denis23 on Feb 1, 2011 20:12:06 GMT
My strong advice - Stork, forget about P5B as rally car. It might be outstanding car in terms of the design and performance but far not so strong to compete rallyes. And there only 750 LHD P5B-s was done, so dont think its good idea to kill it in rallyes. My choice will be Mercedes W116 - probably most bulletproof Mercedes ever made. I have both, P5B and MB W116, and I can assure you that Rover even not coming close to the Mercedes building quality (but Mercedes not coming close to Rover in the terms of style and interior luxury). And you can find one in very good condition at the penny price. It can cover 10000 miles on the poor roads without any issues. Its designed to cover 000-s myles on the poor roads.
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Post by glennr on Feb 1, 2011 21:12:24 GMT
Sorry Dennis, I have to disagree. "You only live twice" and I say go for it in the P5B. Anything to enhance the profile of the P5/B is an excellent idea. Go for it.
If you lose so what?
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Post by denis23 on Feb 1, 2011 21:46:19 GMT
Well, let a thousand flowers bloom)))
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2011 22:59:26 GMT
Denis23, I have been giving this whole adventure a lot of thought for a couple of years. My top contenders are: 1. Rover P5 2. 19 60's Mercedes Fintail 3. 1964/65 Ford Falcon V8 289 If I did go pre 41 it would be: 1. 1934 to 35 Cadillac La Salle coupé 2. 1935 to 37 Oldsmobile coupé All the cars would have to be left hand drive since I do plan to use them on more than one event. I did look at the 1974 MB W116 280 SE but I am looking for it to be more of a 'classic' for lack of a better word. They are bullet proof... At the end of the day reality will set in and it will all come down to cost. The biggest negative with the P5b is the fact that they only came in automatic. So I would have to source the manual transmission and do some serious surgery to make it into a proper manual that will not break down on me due to built design faults. So more and more it looks like the P5 3 liter will be the choice with the Rover, but this does have a few negatives as well. First is finding one in left hand drive and manual. Second is the condition which in turn relates to price (This in reality relates to all the choices or cars). From my experience it is always best to buy the best car you can get. Lastly its transport. Unless I find what I am looking for in the US or Canada I will have to do the shipping from Europe. Most left hand P5 I have found are Dutch. The MB fintail negatives are the price (condition of the car like the others), and the fact that I don't have too much knowledge with the mechanical do's and don't on the Mercedes. So it puts me off a bit even though I know how to fix cars and have worked on them. If the P5 was a no go then I would take time with the Mercedes to really get to know the mechanics before the rally. Lastly, the third option is the 64/65 Ford Falcon. Biggest negatives are finding one in good condition and finding one that has not been mutilated by the dragster community. To me it must have matching numbers. The other negative on the Falcon is the road handling. As you all know American cars are designed to go on straight roads not winding ones. But this can be overcome with swaybars, brackets, new poly bushings etc. It is a simple car and very easy to work on. On a side note I just received the cost to be a part of the Peking to Paris race (not cheap by any means, but around what I expected). An I have also received the Trans America rally information which will be a good way to get my feet wet with the enduro rally day to day life. It will also be a great place to test out the car before the Peking to Paris race. So now that I have most of the numbers in hand I can start to look at which cars will make the cut. The good thing is that I have lots of time to make the hard choices! Robert
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Post by denis23 on Feb 2, 2011 19:21:43 GMT
If you are from America, dont even think - take something domestical V8 with TH-400.
Well, speaking about big american cruisers, I remember phrase "he will bring you back to home, even if he will be dead itself" - this was told in the other language and not about car, but plane, but generally thats true regarding US road cruisers too. And dont afraid automatic transmission - manual can betray you absolutely same way. I Rover is fascinating but I afraid its too gentle. But this is my personal opinion. But I respect your choice and what ever - Good Luck!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2011 23:55:05 GMT
Hello Denis23, You are right, but man I just love the P5! Again I have time to wait for the right car. If the P5 does not come along then the MB or Falcon will be next in line. Since I did do my own rally with a time limit of 3000 miles in three days in my 62 356 and lost the starter 700 miles into the rally the only thing that kept me going was the fact that I could park up hill at night and roll down the slope, pop the clutch and drive away in the morning. Or, as in New orleans I had some nice fellows push me to a start. That alone gives me the piece of mind that if the starter goes the way of the Dodo bird and I could not find a replacement (like in the 356) I would not worry since my navigator would just push me to a start!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2011 0:08:22 GMT
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Post by Warwick on Feb 3, 2011 2:23:29 GMT
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Post by denis23 on Feb 4, 2011 20:03:24 GMT
put spare starter in the boot)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2011 15:29:09 GMT
Here is the experts advice on the Rover: "The Rover saloon is eligible. You can run either engine and the gearbox option is free. There is an event guide and we can send you a copy if you let us have an address. The rover straight six might be best for the Peking as its sidevalves on the exhaust side of the block and can run poorer petrol¸which is down to 80 octane on a lot of days. The car came 4th on a Safari so has past long distance provenance, using a lot of Land Rover parts (fuel tank, etc), I have driven a works-replica and I was surprised how well it handles. The P5b has a subframe, so is not as strong, but bolts have to go up through the subframe and into the chassis. Philip Young Endurance Rally Association The Old School St Marys Road East Hendred Oxon OX12 8LF mail@endurorally.com Tel: 01235 831221 Fax 01235 834173 www.endurorally.com" Well, the 3 liter looks like the engine to have. Isn't the subframe frame on the P5 and P5b the same? Or is the P5 stronger?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2011 17:19:18 GMT
Ouch! "I cant see a Falcon hanging together! The fuel tank would be enormous, therefore the weight enormous, the engines of all three options must be pretty heavy, the car never did well on rough ground. Remember there are NO roads, it will therefore take known technology to overcome the problem of a car that will shake itself to pieces on the corrugations. It doesn’t have enough wheel movement, not enough ground clearance, and a fuel guzzling engine brings in too much complication. Think simple, something that a blacksmith can mend in a shack not speaking any English. There is a good reason why most chose a car with leaf springs and lots of ground clearance to start with... Philip" Gee I didn't think the Falcon was that bad. The rover weighs in at 3556 lb (four speed) the Falcon 3250lb (with a V8) the rally version 2200 lb. So weight is not an issue. Now as to the build quality and dealing with no roads I could not tell you. Anyway just more information for you all to digest. In case you have not noticed... I like to share ;D
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Post by glennr on Feb 7, 2011 10:39:34 GMT
Warwick, quick question: Since my birthday is on Australia day, am I an honorary legal Australian citizen? ;D I guess so, but only if you can answer 3 fundamental questions. 1. What was Chips Rafferty's mother's maiden name? 2. What is the name of our native bear? 3. Who forgot to put the "u" in Qantas? Happy Birthday. (Mine's 3 days later) Hi Warwick, I have been chomping at the bit Here are the answers. Maiden name is Joyce You don't have any bears in Australia Queensland and Northern Territory Aerial Services
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Post by Warwick on Feb 7, 2011 11:15:41 GMT
Go to the top of the class young Reeve.
I had to Google the first one.
If you don't count Drop Bears.
Yes, it's an acronym. The world's 2nd oldest airline. Slightly younger than KLM.
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Post by glennr on Feb 7, 2011 21:17:31 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2011 7:28:14 GMT
Stop! Don't make him a leghonoz Take 5 will go upside down!
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Post by Warwick on Apr 22, 2011 13:00:46 GMT
I'm sitting here watching a video of the 1968 and 1993 London to Sydney marathons. Some footage of the P5B and a short interview with Richard Martin-Hurst got me wondering how Stork was going with his search for a long distance rally car. He's been silent for quite awhile.
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