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Post by Warwick on Jan 10, 2012 2:22:07 GMT
I made up a copper replacement for a Range Rover 25 years ago. But this time I've got a stainless one to go in. If you have the inlet manifold off, it's worth replacing it with copper or stainless. Very easy to make a copper one yourself if you can solder.
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Jan 10, 2012 18:30:46 GMT
Early cars had 1/2" bore later was at least 5/8" so not a common size in either copper or stainless for later cars though I suppose 19mm can be used
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Post by cyf on Jan 11, 2012 20:16:11 GMT
Very valuable comments, thank you. Let's go on with the engine dismantling The exhaust manifold, right hand side The rocker cover and rocker shaft The rocker shaft off
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Jan 11, 2012 22:38:42 GMT
Very clean
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Post by Warwick on Jan 12, 2012 2:31:09 GMT
Amazingly clean! I wonder if the engine was overhauled not long before the car was "retired" and began its disintegration?
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Post by cyf on Jan 12, 2012 22:02:24 GMT
I really don't know Warwick. The clock said 59440 Km. I guess it was not overhauled.
As it's my first engine opening, I didn't realised how clean it is. Ihave to open another one so I will compare
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Post by Warwick on Jan 13, 2012 7:53:43 GMT
Cyf,
Internally these engines are generally black and coated in sludge. This one looks like it has been recently reassembled, or it has been running on LPG which, over time, cleans them up. It might be worth investigating further. It might have a really good engine.
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Post by cyf on Jan 18, 2012 20:41:45 GMT
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Post by Dean Hovland on Jan 18, 2012 21:21:19 GMT
Do you have any pictures of the radiator removed from the car please Cyf
Dean
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Post by cyf on Jan 18, 2012 21:37:56 GMT
Well, no Dean. But tell me what you want to see and I can make pictures next week end.
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Post by Warwick on Jan 19, 2012 9:33:38 GMT
Well, no Dean. But tell me what you want to see and I can make pictures next week end. This is like having your own personal, illustrated encyclopaedia publisher. Cyf, While you have that engine block accessible, it's worth making or modifying a socket spanner to fit over the "wings" of the block drain taps in case you ever need to drain the engine block in your car. Access is difficult in the car and they always seem to be so tight that you can't open them with your fingers and access for other tools is awkward. Dean, I just remembered that I have some radiator photos. I'll put them in a separate thread so I don't clutter up Cyf's thread. roverp5.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=rover12&action=display&thread=5839
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Post by cyf on Jan 19, 2012 11:34:52 GMT
Thank you for the advice about the drain taps, I really know what you mean!
Feel free to put in the thread any picture you find interesting. As I said in the first post, it would be cool if it become a big picture database
I think Dean as his answer
Warwick, the fan "surround" on the radiator come from where?
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Post by Warwick on Jan 19, 2012 13:20:13 GMT
Warwick, the fan "surround" on the radiator come from where? I've been trying to remember Cyf, but I can't. I was trying it for size when the radiator was out a few years ago. I'll need to have a look in the shed, but it has me puzzled. (Must be going mad, or senile). I included those photos as I was going to mention the surround because whatever it belongs to, that radiator might fit in the P5B. However, since I haven't yet figured it out, I've removed those photos in case they confuse someone. If I solve the mystery I'll put them back in with a note.
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Post by Dean Hovland on Jan 19, 2012 20:05:35 GMT
Thanks Warwick and thanks Cyf ,, pictures perfect.
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Post by vincentacres on Jan 19, 2012 22:09:59 GMT
I have seen a few here in Perth, Australia that have been replaced by the radiator from a Holden Statesman Caprice V8 (VS series or thereabouts).
I have measured one of these and it is near enough identical in size - it just requires the mounting brackets shifted and the top plate (that has the four bolts on it) transferred over from the old radiator.
Otherwise a perfect fit.
Not a practical solution for UK residents unless GM ever released an equivalent Vauxhall or Opel rebadged version but ofr those of us down under there are a lot of these around and the radiators can be picked up from salvage yards for about $100 or bought new.
I have heard though that the new manufactured replacements are not as good quality.
Wajowen.
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Post by Warwick on Jan 19, 2012 23:09:08 GMT
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Post by Dean Hovland on Jan 20, 2012 19:36:17 GMT
Hi Wajowen Is there a part number for the radiator ? . Lots of American parts shops here and there used to be in the uk .
Regards
Dean
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Post by vincentacres on Jan 21, 2012 12:14:10 GMT
Dean, I have trawled the internet for the last hour and cannot locate the part number. I can only say that a restorer here used to use a radiator place to do this conversion for him but they are no longer in business. I measured my radiator and found a Holden radiator from a VS Statesman (V8 model NOT V6 model) and compared the dimensions, spot on from memory. I can't recall the oil cooler setup as I was going to put this into my P5 that has a separate oil cooler so it wasn't a concern for me. My other P5 has the oil cooler in the radiator so would require a conversion to a separate one unless the Holden one would accommodate this. Here is a link to one I found on Ebay Australia. The Part # doesn't bring up any matches on a google search though so I suspect it is a part # that belongs purely to that radiator supplier. www.ebay.com.au/itm/RADIATOR-HOLDEN-STATESMAN-VR-VS-93-99-V8-LONG-O-COOLER-/130543010234?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1e64f841ba#ht_2089wt_1141Warwick has also asked me about these radiators but too difficult to respond in one thread so I will reply separately. Cheers, Owen.
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Post by Dean Hovland on Jan 22, 2012 23:19:45 GMT
Thanks Owen The radiator seems very different to the p5b . Arnt the inlet and outlet hoses the other way round ?
Would it be possible to buy a oil cooler separately ?
Dean
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Post by vincentacres on Jan 23, 2012 9:50:48 GMT
Hi Dean,
Yes you can buy an oil cooler seperately - my '63 (running a V8) has one.
I have seen these radiators used as I said before so I'm not sure if the EBay listing I located may have a different variation or wrong picture or whether the raditaors were as pictured and required modification of the hose outlets to both on the drivers side.
Probably the only answer is for me to track down another one - but suffice it to say that it can be done with these and they comfortably cool a 5 litre cast iron V8 in Australian summers!!!!!!!!!
Regards,
Owen.
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Post by Warwick on Jan 23, 2012 11:46:23 GMT
Thanks Owen The radiator seems very different to the p5b . Arnt the inlet and outlet hoses the other way round ? Would it be possible to buy a oil cooler separately ? Dean Dean, I personally prefer the separate oil cooler. Building the transmission oil cooler into the radiator is one of those silly ideas thought up by car makers to reduce costs. It adds extra heat to the radiator and doesn't cool the oil as much as it could. But the bit I really don't like is that if something cracks, you can get a leak between the oil and the water. Transmission fluid in the cooling system is messy and inconvenient to clean out. But water in the transmission is expensive.
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Post by cyf on Jan 25, 2012 14:54:43 GMT
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Post by Warwick on Jan 25, 2012 21:19:07 GMT
Thanks Cyf,
The condition of the inside of that water pump adds to my opinion that you have a well cared for engine there. And look at the cleanliness of that timing case. Not at all like the condition of the body.
Lots of great photos.
By the way, if you'd used a film camera instead of a digital camera, Kodak would probably still be in business.
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Post by cyf on Jan 26, 2012 20:26:05 GMT
Thank you warwick, sorry fo Kodak So, if the engine looks not so bad, the next thread would be "V8: the rebuild in color pictures" !!
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Post by bebopdeluxe on Jan 26, 2012 21:48:41 GMT
Kodak UK seems to be OK
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