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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Feb 20, 2013 18:10:12 GMT
The Sample wheels arrived this morning considering it's not Chrome they are VERY good,sealed all over and can be cut and polished the Lacquer is a VERY hard Acrylic and will take all you can throw at it apart from Curbs and bashing with a hammer etc The painted segment sample has been done in Satin MAT instead of Gloss an easy mistake as I may not have said? you can see by the inside of the wheel on the left "the better the wheels you have the better the finish" that one was chosen to see how it would come out! although pitted it has been shot blasted and treated as part of the process. Your opinions please if it is a worthwhile exercise intended for those who like the Rostyles and don't want to pay 2k+£'s No need to split wheels Tel: 01284 788269 Mob: 07713785619 web: David Greengreen.david10@sky.com
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Post by eightofthem (Andy) on Feb 20, 2013 18:33:00 GMT
They look really good. A very good substitute if not the best, that I have seen.
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Post by mh007 on Feb 20, 2013 21:53:35 GMT
Not bad at all for a substitute.
A brilliant option that's for sure.
What sort of price does this work out at please out of curiosity ?
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Post by barryr on Feb 20, 2013 21:58:30 GMT
Works for me but price is everything!
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Feb 21, 2013 8:45:07 GMT
Still finalising Barry but probably 50% cheaper than chrome if the centre segments are DIY it is time to mask that will cost not the painting it is Acrylic Lacquer finish so a fine line tape, the rest masked up give the area a Scotch Brite and spray with a 2k Satin Black of your choice.
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Post by David on Feb 21, 2013 9:21:30 GMT
As it has a lacquer finish John, I would guess the shine could be 'improved' with careful cutting, polishing and good wax. This should give more reflection and greater depth to the finish. Have to say though, this looks fantastic. Well done. Here is a test section I did a while back using a final finish compound on what was to the normal eye, a good finish. Burnishing or jewelling of paintwork, with care can achieve impressive results.
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Feb 21, 2013 11:09:19 GMT
The nice thing is David you can treat them like any other paint work with chrome you have to be so careful
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Post by barryr on Feb 21, 2013 21:17:36 GMT
When I was looking at the spray chrome vids on you tube I wondered if this would work for door handles also?
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Feb 21, 2013 21:24:59 GMT
I would think the process would be a bit too thick for things like buttons Barry!
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Feb 21, 2013 23:11:16 GMT
They do look good - the finish is superior to the Rubery Owen chrome which was not of Rover Co quality with its rough edges and sanding/press marks prominent
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Post by mcgill on Feb 22, 2013 0:49:45 GMT
Wasn.t this covered in another post a covered a few years ago, roverp5.proboards.com/thread/4764/mazek-chrome-detailing?scrollTo=36208&page=1.. Something about a blue tint and a plastic finish.? I have two questions, "if the rims have to be rust and pitting free before the process can be done,doesnt a rust and pitting free wheel make it a good chrome wheel to start with??" And as metioned earlier,about the orange peel effect,in reflection of chrome,is there enough laquar to be able to cut back for a truer chrome reflection?
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Feb 22, 2013 6:50:43 GMT
Wasn.t this covered in another post a covered a few years ago, roverp5.proboards.com/thread/4764/mazek-chrome-detailing?scrollTo=36208&page=1.. Something about a blue tint and a plastic finish.? I have two questions, "if the rims have to be rust and pitting free before the process can be done,doesnt a rust and pitting free wheel make it a good chrome wheel to start with??" And as metioned earlier,about the orange peel effect,in reflection of chrome,is there enough laquar to be able to cut back for a truer chrome reflection? If you have a wheel with severe "through Chrome eating wheel pitting ie Craters" Dave it would make the job more difficult so more expensive the normal Chrome pitting is what I meant! there are some rear lights,boot shroud,air vents in the pipeline as the process is "in theory" a paint one small holes in Mazec can be filled. The Lacquer coat is thick how thick I will ask the question do you want it in MM or Microns Dave
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Feb 22, 2013 11:42:40 GMT
Wasn.t this covered in another post a covered a few years ago, roverp5.proboards.com/thread/4764/mazek-chrome-detailing?scrollTo=36208&page=1.. Something about a blue tint and a plastic finish.? I have two questions, "if the rims have to be rust and pitting free before the process can be done,doesnt a rust and pitting free wheel make it a good chrome wheel to start with??" And as metioned earlier,about the orange peel effect,in reflection of chrome,is there enough laquar to be able to cut back for a truer chrome reflection? If you have a wheel with severe "through Chrome eating wheel pitting ie Craters" Dave it would make the job more difficult so more expensive the normal Chrome pitting is what I meant! there are some rear lights,boot shroud,air vents in the pipeline as the process is "in theory" a paint one small holes in Mazec can be filled. The Lacquer coat is thick how thick I will ask the question do you want it in MM or Microns Dave The Lacquer is roughly 4 x thicker than on a car body work so that should allow loads of polishing and from my own experience it's "B" hard it coped fine with a buffing wheel when I was doing my rocker covers Tidying things up this morning there will be a 2 year warranty against corrosion as long as you don't kerb the wheel or your tyre company Mullering the rims they have to treat them the same as expensive alloys and use Rubber Jaws Price per wheel £170 with you doing a DIY on the Satin Black segments (£160 per wheel for Club Members) plus carriage no VAT on wheels or on top of carriage! or a drop off and pick up at David Greens on a Saturday or by appointment! I am waiting for quotes for the Segment Painting as I said it's the masking that will take the time having done a few wheels in the past
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Post by David on Feb 22, 2013 12:15:47 GMT
Well done John for getting this sorted. Rostyles have always been a difficult area.
Also a big thanks once again to David Green, for the discount offered to Rover P5 Club members. Details, contact information and prices will appear in the next issue of Take Five
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Post by mh007 on Feb 22, 2013 17:19:27 GMT
It seems like a very attractive alternative given the price.
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Post by mcgill on Feb 23, 2013 9:44:30 GMT
I thought they,ld work out more expensive, going by the prices quoted in "chroming mazek "link in previous post. I can see these becoming popular, after all what do you get with a new ally wheel at that price, ally prone to bend and cracks ,silver paint, and lacquer . I always thought if mine got past there best, I,d look for wires or get them painted in a bright silver mica,( whilst saving up for rechrome) ,Now I have a better choice .
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2013 10:49:40 GMT
Well done John for getting this sorted. Rostyles have always been a difficult area. Also a big thanks once again to David Green, for the discount offered to Rover P5 Club members. Details, contact information and prices will appear in the next issue of Take Five Could this process be offered for bumpers?
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Feb 24, 2013 7:10:04 GMT
Well done John for getting this sorted. Rostyles have always been a difficult area. Also a big thanks once again to David Green, for the discount offered to Rover P5 Club members. Details, contact information and prices will appear in the next issue of Take Five Could this process be offered for bumpers? Yes I suppose it would David I will get a front blade done to see what it comes out like? by the lack of response we all must have great wheels!
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Post by norvin on Feb 24, 2013 8:04:56 GMT
They look good, and price is ok, but what is it? are they just polished then sealed? Well done John.
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Post by mcgill on Feb 24, 2013 8:42:59 GMT
They look good, and price is ok, but what is it? are they just polished then sealed? Well done John. I thought I knew but GOT IT WRONG ." "I knows a nothing "
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Feb 24, 2013 9:55:41 GMT
Neither of those are the same process Dave they guy who does this process has been developing it for several years the big secret is the product used and the way it's put on and the type of gun he has developed also the Lacquer used (he is a bit of a Boffin), I can say hand on heart using a coin you cant mark this Lacquer believe me I have tried The wheel is sealed by the first process Barry and again by the Lacquer as I said the cavity between the inner and the outer is also treated before the first process after shot blasting the complete wheel (NOT Sandblasted)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2013 10:12:42 GMT
Could this process be offered for bumpers? Yes I suppose it would David I will get a front blade done to see what it comes out like? by the lack of response we all must have great wheels! I'm not hugely surprised at the lack of response and I think that's more due to the hassle of removing the wheels/tyres and the courier costs.I also presume that all 5 need to be done to maintain a uniform appearance.I think there would be a much greater response if the process could be offered on bumper blades. PS, how do you balance a P5 with no wheels.......on a slope?!
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Feb 24, 2013 10:42:31 GMT
Yes I suppose it would David I will get a front blade done to see what it comes out like? by the lack of response we all must have great wheels! I'm not hugely surprised at the lack of response and I think that's more due to the hassle of removing the wheels/tyres and the courier costs.I also presume that all 5 need to be done to maintain a uniform appearance.I think there would be a much greater response if the process could be offered on bumper blades. PS, how do you balance a P5 with no wheels.......on a slope?! David is trying to get together two sets of really GOOD wheels and have them done and IF the wheels sent/delivered are good enough it will be a swap or if you are sentimental about your own wheels two weeks turn around, or another angle may be have a set of wheels on a surcharge which is refunded on the returned wheels being good enough? I will have to have a chat with David the more times you post the more it costs! The idea of this exercise Richard is to help with the wheels as re-chroming is so expensive and involves splitting re riveting, balancing etc, other parts were not on the Menu and at this moment in time and until I get a sample I am happy with! are still not on the Menu. There has been a lot of effort gone into this by myself and the guy who is doing the wheels David will be the man who will take it over, I have things to do other projects I hope it doesn't end up like my Y Bush project Sorry Richard Carefully
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2013 12:04:12 GMT
John, I think it's a fantastic project and, as you say, most owners simply can't afford the price of traditional re-chromimg with all the dismantling etc.Personally, I have no need of the process but I suspect many members would jump at the opportunity to have bumpers subjected to the process and I would be first in the queue.My own rear bumper was re-chromed back in 1984 following a mild rear end collision and it was a good traditional triple plating job. It's now wearing thin in the exhaust area and the copper plating is beginning to show. Bumper metal is very good-no rust.
I don't remember your "Y" bush project.
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Post by David on Feb 24, 2013 12:37:31 GMT
John and David, I would think you will get a good response from club members.
Very few use this forum, so an article in Take Five should generate some enquiries. When you have time put something together (pics, details and costs)and send it to me and I will ensure it is published. Closing date for the April issue is 20th March.
Have to say I think you have done a great job sorting this out. Well done - true Rover enthusiasts in action!
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