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Post by cyf on Oct 23, 2013 10:15:43 GMT
The bumpers are not on the car, on the picture the rear one is just hang on the brackets. I didn't managed to get them fit properly or even at all. I refitted the old ones for the moment, as I can drive the car around.
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Oct 23, 2013 11:47:40 GMT
From what I can see they need to go back to the drawing board in more ways than one (being polite)
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Post by cyf on Oct 23, 2013 12:26:12 GMT
I got the first draft.. I told them after receiving the first set that I didn't want a prototype and they told me that it was not the case
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Oct 23, 2013 13:02:57 GMT
That comment speaks volumes Cyf
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Post by cyf on Oct 23, 2013 13:43:37 GMT
I didn't understand that one, John
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Post by Welsh Warlock on Oct 23, 2013 17:42:25 GMT
The impression I get is that Harringtons have no real substance and the whole operation consists of one man in the UK who takes orders and the bumpers are knocked up in a shed in Vietnam.
It would be interesting for the Harrington Group to share pictures of their corporate headquarters and manufacturing facilities.
Alternatively don't try and pass off half baked rubbish as something that is a quality product at a quality price.
Cyf, you have far more patience than I. If it were me I would be asking for my money back.
ETA: The vendors website says: Our People We employ 128 members of staff, and are constantly training and expanding our team. Below, you will see some information of some of our key players.
We have a 5 workshops and 1 main HQ in HCMC Vietnam. We also have an office in the UK, and distribution in the US, Canada, and The Netherlands.
Our HQ is where it all comes together. Here we have our office space, quality control department, order processing department, packaging department, this is also where all our products are collected by DHL, TNT and Seko (sea shipping). Its also at our HQ where train our staff, where we prototype new products and restore our cars.
In line with Vietnamese law, our company has its own workers union. We provide a comprehensive health care insurance for all our staff and family members.
Providing a sound ethical working environment is important to us, and we value the relationship that exists between employers and staff, based on loyalty, trust and friendship. Vietnam is enjoying a fast developing economy – the days of war and struggle are (at last) a thing of the past, and the Vietnamese as a race are incredibly hard working and forward thinking, with an overwhelming willingness to learn and improve skills.
In return, we are able to give training – both in modern restoration and/or production techniques and, by popular demand, English language. We are strongly opposed to what we view as the abuse of locals working under sweat-shop conditions, often producing sub-standard goods. We pay a decent wage in return for a 100% superior quality product.
Please note the last bit carefully
Also, in the bit about 'Our Bumpers' it says: Our sets are replicas of the originals, so the shape, fit, and dimensions are absolutely accurate and look spot on!
If that isn't misrepresentation I don't know what is.
All in my opinion, of course!
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Oct 23, 2013 18:12:14 GMT
The impression I get is that Harringtons have no real substance and the whole operation consists of one man in the UK who takes orders and the bumpers are knocked up in a shed in Vietnam. It would be interesting for the Harrington Group to share pictures of their corporate headquarters and manufacturing facilities. Alternatively don't try and pass off half baked rubbish as something that is a quality product at a quality price. Cyf, you have far more patience than I. If it were me I would be asking for my money back. ETA: The vendors website says: Our People We employ 128 members of staff, and are constantly training and expanding our team. Below, you will see some information of some of our key players.
We have a 5 workshops and 1 main HQ in HCMC Vietnam. We also have an office in the UK, and distribution in the US, Canada, and The Netherlands.
Our HQ is where it all comes together. Here we have our office space, quality control department, order processing department, packaging department, this is also where all our products are collected by DHL, TNT and Seko (sea shipping). Its also at our HQ where train our staff, where we prototype new products and restore our cars.
In line with Vietnamese law, our company has its own workers union. We provide a comprehensive health care insurance for all our staff and family members.
Providing a sound ethical working environment is important to us, and we value the relationship that exists between employers and staff, based on loyalty, trust and friendship. Vietnam is enjoying a fast developing economy – the days of war and struggle are (at last) a thing of the past, and the Vietnamese as a race are incredibly hard working and forward thinking, with an overwhelming willingness to learn and improve skills.
In return, we are able to give training – both in modern restoration and/or production techniques and, by popular demand, English language. We are strongly opposed to what we view as the abuse of locals working under sweat-shop conditions, often producing sub-standard goods. We pay a decent wage in return for a 100% superior quality product.Please note the last bit carefully Also, in the bit about 'Our Bumpers' it says: Our sets are replicas of the originals, so the shape, fit, and dimensions are absolutely accurate and look spot on!If that isn't misrepresentation I don't know what is. All in my opinion, of course! Well put Alan
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Oct 23, 2013 18:18:39 GMT
I didn't understand that one, John Sorry Cyf "it makes a situation very clear without the use of words"
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Post by eightofthem (Andy) on Oct 23, 2013 18:53:49 GMT
A good friend of mine spent some time in Vietnam, and was amazed at the skill of the vendors. They were able to make all kinds of items, like toy helicopters, and cars etc, just by using old drinks cans, while you waited, and they were good too. However there is a world of difference making bumpers!. I think the comment above " made in a shed in Vietnam " might be closer to the truth than you think.
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Post by Welsh Warlock on Oct 23, 2013 19:01:16 GMT
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Post by cyf on Oct 23, 2013 20:34:03 GMT
Alan, I have patience because I want what I ordered and in a way or another I'll have it. THe Harrington staff is reading this thread.
I read what's on pistonhead and the scimitar owner say that he reuse his old bolts. It's not possible for us as the thread is not the same. The bolts are not SS either
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Post by Welsh Warlock on Oct 23, 2013 21:13:15 GMT
I sincerely hope they are reading this but it would be most helpful if they will contribute and give some commitment to resolving your issues.
If they handle this well then they could see a lot of orders. However, if they handle it badly...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2013 21:21:07 GMT
I sincerely hope they are reading this but it would be most helpful if they will contribute and give some commitment to resolving your issues. If they handle this well then they could see a lot of orders. However, if they handle it badly... Don't hold your breath about the orders. There are companies in GB that are perfectly capable of triple-plating decent blades. Perhaps the club should be talking to them about a group discount? Just a thought.
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Post by Welsh Warlock on Oct 23, 2013 22:38:47 GMT
If the club want a good recommendation to approach I know former P5 owner who works for an Aston specialist who could recommend an excellent chrome plater.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2013 9:32:29 GMT
To be honest the quote from the web site has put me off the bumpers all together,sounds more like they've something to hide.
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Post by petervdvelde on Oct 24, 2013 10:45:02 GMT
I don't believe chrome plating is an option as there are almost no un-dented, non rusted bumpers left. As soon as getting dents out or welding in new pieces is involved, it will be become far to expensive. Also there are no company's who can do both (getting dents out/welding and re chroming). Even if the bumpers are free of dents and serious rust, it will be difficult/impossible to find a company who will re chrome both bumpers at a price of GBP 900,-. Everybody who has done polishing knows that 5 hours per bumper is not enough. At todays labor rates (GBP 50,- an hour?) and the price for keeping all the cupper/chromebathes it is simply not possible to re chrome bumpers in the UK, Holland, France or Germany for GBP 900,- , even if big quantity's are involved.
For me the best options remains to buy a set of stainless from Harrington and alter them myself. As i said before, i believe Harrington cannot and will never meet the perfect quality (bumpers which will fit without modifications)as the product "bumpers" and the manufacturing process is too complex for a company like Harrington and its economically not possible to manufacture these for GBP 900,- so that these will fit without modifications. If a company can supply the 100% fitting bumpers, the price would at least be double and no one would buy these. I believe Harrington can and will do some improvements but due to the complexity of the bumpers (all the curves and angles) and there lean organization they cannot make a product which doesn't need modifications.
I also don't blame them for putting all the quality statements on their website. Every body makes those statements to sell their products and pretend they are a huge and professional organization
Peter
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Post by cyf on Oct 24, 2013 11:24:58 GMT
I'll put pictures of the next set they will send to me
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2013 13:12:40 GMT
...........................I also don't blame them for putting all the quality statements on their website. Every body makes those statements to sell their products and pretend they are a huge and professional organization...................................... Peter In the UK we have laws which stop people making inaccurate statements. I'm surprised you appear to condone their claims! I can think of several UK firms who do excellent plating subject to the restrictions put on by the EU.I would rather have worn plating on the original perfect bumpers than pay £900 or whatever to have a set of poor, ill-fitting bumpers which, to add insult to injury, I would have to alter to get them to fit!! How many owners have those sorts of skills anyway? I think you're trying to defend a lost cause to be honest.In the UK we also have another expression which is full of irony "You get what you pay for"
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Post by guidedog on Oct 26, 2013 15:02:19 GMT
You get what pay for. Hopefully J R W will get them on his web site again. You cant beat the proper thing.
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Post by Simon H on Oct 26, 2013 15:30:45 GMT
You get what pay for. Hopefully J R W will get them on his web site again. You cant beat the proper thing. The JRW website doesn't look too promising. Under P5 bumpers there is the following note: "Rear bumper(3litre and V8). Made entirely in Britain by British craftsmen-pressed on a 600T press, expertly dressed and finished in Triple plate - no exchange needed. For the discerning owner who requires originality and the depth of chrome over cheap S/S far eastern imports - Now discontinued due to the 'expert' numpties running the P5 club and their idiotic support of cheap far eastern imports from 4,000 miles away as with door and screen seals. Warranty?!" Simon H
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2013 15:42:25 GMT
Slagging off people hardly encourages customers. How childish.
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Post by Pete Collins on Oct 28, 2013 20:46:08 GMT
You get what pay for. Hopefully J R W will get them on his web site again. You cant beat the proper thing. The JRW website doesn't look too promising. Under P5 bumpers there is the following note: "Rear bumper(3litre and V8). Made entirely in Britain by British craftsmen-pressed on a 600T press, expertly dressed and finished in Triple plate - no exchange needed. For the discerning owner who requires originality and the depth of chrome over cheap S/S far eastern imports - Now discontinued due to the 'expert' numpties running the P5 club and their idiotic support of cheap far eastern imports from 4,000 miles away as with door and screen seals. Warranty?!" Simon H For the record. No one on the club committee recommends these bumpers. Pete Collins Spares Officer Rover P5 Club
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Post by guidedog on Oct 28, 2013 21:09:41 GMT
Pete I take it that you or somebody else on the committee has 1st hand knowledge of the bumper bars?
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Post by Pete Collins on Oct 29, 2013 15:37:26 GMT
Pete I take it that you or somebody else on the committee has 1st hand knowledge of the bumper bars? No, I said earlier in this thread about a regional rep getting a set over a year ago that did not fit. You need to go back to page one and look for my earlier posts.
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Post by David on Oct 30, 2013 10:04:19 GMT
Just a word of thanks to you all for keeping this particular subject, subjective. It is easy to let frustrations get in the way of common sense and I for one would like to thank Cyf for the time and effort he has put in to this particular problem.
As Pete has already clearly pointed out the club has not been involved in the supply of new bumpers, but will help any club member who wishes to actively source such items. The alternative rechromed wheels being another example.
The club, or to be more exact Pete Collins, has sourced discounts FOR CLUB MEMBERS on a number of items which includes stainless steels exhausts, Spax shock absorbers, Hamilton car covers, tyres and also clutches for the 3 litre, plus of course heavily discounted items (air filters, fuel pump repair kits, bearing kits, disc pads, PAS filters, fuel filters etc.) which the club holds as stock.
Perhaps an option would be for Harringtons to supply the blades, fixings and over riders plain without welded fixings or holes (at a much reduced cost) so the individual can arrange the fixing?
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