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Post by cyf on Jan 23, 2014 8:14:23 GMT
Hi enigmas I was away from the forum for a while due to several problems, now solved hopefully. Then when I decided to make my comeback, it seems that there's a problem of conexion between my home computer and the forum, it seems that I can quote but not put text with it and the loner test than "test from France" doesn't show on the forum So, I try today with the work's computer I quoted the November's answer fromGroup Harrington as a reminder. I asked them if it was possible to get a "new" fully tested example and here's the answer: I have just read through the forum comments and found that not only our Rover P5B bumpers, but pretty much our complete range is being bashed on. This is of course what happens when things like this are put on internet forums- people tend to just point out negative things, but nobody sees that the big majority of people are very happy with our products and appreciate that fact that we reproduce parts that were not available for decades.
All of the sudden we are obviously a one man show that has its bumpers produced in Vietnam without even being here. Well- this is not at all the case, we run a proper business and production facility with more than 100 employees. Of course it got impact on our business when- as you say yourself in the forum- the forum post shows up No. 6 on Google (the one before that has actually been written by a competitor).
Cyrille, let me be honest- after all this negative talk about our Rover bumpers, I am kind of leaning towards putting our efforts into the production and development of other bumper models. Yes, we did make new jigs to test-fit the bumpers, also taking into account all your comments- both the original pattern bumpers and our replica bumpers fit perfectly, but to be frank I fear when sending you new bumpers you will again find something that is not mm-correct compared to your originals, even comparing measurements between your and our original bumpers we found slight differences…
We are currently producing nearly 300 different types of classic car bumpers and with none of them we had problems like we did with the Rover bumpers. Again- if you have a look at our eBay feedback feedback.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=groupharrington&&_trksid=p2047675.l2560&rt=nc&iid=350951635387&sspagename=VIP:feedback&ftab=FeedbackAsSeller you will find that it is 100% positive- I think you will agree that this would not be the case if the quality of our products was as bad as it is described in the forumI think it's the end of the story
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Post by cyf on Jan 23, 2014 8:15:07 GMT
It works!!!! Definetly a problem with my home computer
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Post by David on Jan 23, 2014 8:46:27 GMT
Excellent.
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Post by Rodney the Rover on Jan 23, 2014 13:23:17 GMT
It sounds like Harrington's are throwing their Teddies out of the pram because they aren't capable of manufacturing bumpers to OE specifications. I remember a short while ago some of the VW owners were experiencing exactly the same problems with them. The good eBay feedback could possibly be made by some owners before they fitted them,straight out of the box they apparently look superb but as Cyf & others have found the devil is in the detail.
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Post by petrolhead allan on Jan 27, 2014 15:41:36 GMT
It seems a real shame that they manage to do a decent job of what I would call the hardest part, i.e. getting the shape of the bumper right, and then fail on relatively simple things like brackets and fixings. It looks like they have skilled craftsmen doing the difficult bits, only to pass the easier jobs to the apprentice.
I do hope that they are able to sort out these problems because I have been considering buying a set.
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Post by eightofthem (Andy) on Jan 27, 2014 16:39:17 GMT
The classic car market is a very lucrative market, disposable income on something that you enjoy. If a product, no matter what that product is, work well for its purpose, look right and fit right , then owners will buy them, I know I would!. But if you purchase something, and then after the expense find it wanting, then sorry but word gets about, that's the way it is, there are not many producers left that will go the extra mile to put something right, minimum effort, maximum profit. If you give good service, and your product is right, then you can't go wrong. I think I was born in the wrong era, can't even hold a door open for a lady anymore.
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Post by norvin on Jan 28, 2014 15:58:09 GMT
Is it because they are working in Metric for an imperial car, remember the American space ship where one company worked in metric and the other company worked in imperial and the parts did sort of fit but not quite good enough and it blew up.
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Post by hughm on Feb 4, 2014 15:13:09 GMT
Hi Gents,
Thanks for the posts on the GHSSB's; I was seriously looking at importing a set to Perth, Western Australia for my P5B but your detailed feedback and the negativity of the Harrington response (oh you are all too fussy ??) is enough to say it is not worth the risk for me. Their attitude is extraordinary; it is a pity as price is competitive. I looked at their feedback and did not see any P5 feedback. Unfortunately there is no one here in Perth that can do good chroming. My rear bumper was done 10 years ago and has now lost its sheen yet the overrider's were done at the same time and are fine as is the rest of the car. I will just have to keep looking??
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Post by David on Feb 4, 2014 15:56:22 GMT
Welcome Hugh, to the Rover P5 Club forum for all!
It was a shame about the bumpers (I do think Cyf was very patient with Harringtons), but I guess that is the great benefit of such a forum - being able to exchange experiences and information. Good luck with searching for a bumper.
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Post by cyf on Apr 10, 2014 15:47:00 GMT
Update: I found a company that would modify the stainless bumpers to fit my car! I let you know
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Post by Simon H on Apr 10, 2014 16:12:44 GMT
They have just re-listed them on Ebay. Here we go again...
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Post by cyf on Apr 10, 2014 16:23:58 GMT
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Post by Welsh Warlock on Apr 10, 2014 16:26:02 GMT
I think you need to keep reposting that Group Harringtons bumpers don't fit so when people search them they find this thread.
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Post by Simon H on Apr 10, 2014 18:58:59 GMT
Last week I enquired about bumpers from JRW. I got the following reply by email:
QUOTE: ""At the moment we have no stock, however due to popular demand, we are in the process of exploring the re-pressing of the bumpers. There are a lot of processes involved if this is started this year and items may not be available for sale until next year.
Regards
JRW"" END QUOTE
Might be worth waiting, especially as I only require a rear bumper.
Simon H
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Post by cyf on Apr 26, 2014 10:23:07 GMT
The bumpers (original's and Harrington's) are at the workshop. I'll let you know.
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Post by Coupe on Jun 19, 2014 20:25:54 GMT
Hi I'm a new member. Have been following the P5 Harrington's thread. Just to let you know I've just fitted a rear stainless steel bumper to my P5B Coupe which fitted with no major difficulty. The new sliding captive nuts seem to allow for the minor difficulties with the brackets. I am very happy with the result, the quality is excellent and the design is almost identical to the original. Would add a pic if I knew how!
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Post by GlennR on Jun 20, 2014 7:15:22 GMT
Last week I enquired about bumpers from JRW. I got the following reply by email: QUOTE: "" At the moment we have no stock, however due to popular demand, we are in the process of exploring the re-pressing of the bumpers. There are a lot of processes involved if this is started this year and items may not be available for sale until next year.
Regards
JRW"" END QUOTE Might be worth waiting, especially as I only require a rear bumper. Simon H Sorry if this has been posted before. I went onto the JRW web site and read the following..."Rear bumper(3litre and V8). Made entirely in Britain by British craftsmen-pressed on a 600T press, expertly dressed and finished in Triple plate - no exchange needed. For the discerning owner who requires originality and the depth of chrome over cheap S/S far eastern imports - Now discontinued due to the 'expert' numpties running the P5 club and their idiotic support of cheap far eastern imports from 4,000 miles away as with door and screen seals. Warranty?!" Nothing like building bridges
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Post by David on Jun 20, 2014 8:08:43 GMT
A simple read through this thread would immediately show the Rover P5 Club has had nothing to do with this. Why this supplier needs to continue to berate the club, is beyond me. Ho hum.
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Post by petrolhead allan on Jun 20, 2014 8:35:31 GMT
If you look at the Ebay listing for the GH P5 bumpers, there is fairly recent POSITIVE feedback from someone who has bought a set for a P5. Go on then, 'mystery buyer,' own up! If they were ok, please tell us about them!
Regarding JR Wadham's comments, I can only say that I have only ever had good products and service from them. Having met John(Jon?) many years ago when he was operating from his own home, he seemed to be a perfectly reasonable and friendly chap. It does seem unfortunate that there seems to be this friction between the club and a major supplier (and manufacturer) of P5 parts.
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Post by cyf on Jun 20, 2014 8:53:37 GMT
That's crazy! who said that the GH bumpers are better than the one supplied by JRW? Why did they discontinued the production? Certainly not because all the P5 owners buy their bumpers in the far east rather than in England!! When I ordered my bumpers, were the bumpers available at JRW? Due to this post, some members didn't ordered from GH and would have been interested by an English product
I really don't understand why they say that
I fitted the rear bumper on my car but the front one is still in the card box. There's modifications to make on the pieces to make it fit and the workshop needs my car. As it drives very often I'll see it later. I'll see how the rear bumper will endure the exhaust fumes
Coupé, do you have the front one to fit or just the rear one? The rear one is the easiest to fit and may be you benefit of better QC
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Post by David on Jun 20, 2014 9:05:41 GMT
Exactly Cyf,
Your involvement with Haringtons, only served to confirm that sometimes a UK supplier is better. Hence why I cannot understand why such factually incorrect comments have been posted by JRW. Ho hum (again)
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Post by GlennR on Jun 20, 2014 9:33:46 GMT
Exactly Cyf, Your involvement with Haringtons, only served to confirm that sometimes a UK supplier is better. Hence why I cannot understand why such factually incorrect comments have been posted by JRW. Ho hum (again) Neither can I David ::)I consider it a totally unfair statement.
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Post by Coupe on Jun 20, 2014 12:05:31 GMT
Cyf, I just needed the rear one and Harringtons have certainly altered the design based on your problems. I would of course have preferred chrome but living in Ireland where no re-chroming is done on large items it would have been much too expensive to ship my existing bumper to the UK and back again plus the re-chroming cost.
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Post by Steve P5b on Jun 20, 2014 13:34:07 GMT
I see no sense going over and over the same old ground, maybe some folk just like moaning, but as this is a forum here's my two penneth worth over suppliers. With regard to Wadhams, my feeling is some folk let there business down by not looking after customers, quite happy to take orders and card details etc. and leave there customers waiting for goods to be delivered while they go on holiday for a week or so. Come to think of it, contacting Mr green seems fruitless after emails and phone messages being left. Having said that I believe it's a part time business he runs so I suppose things get overlooked, fair enough. Now I compare this with suppliers I use that do take orders over the phone up to 4pm, then deliver before 9am if required the next day, these parts travel overnight from Belgium into the UK and are delivered by DHL. It's an excellent not too expensive delivery cost, and there business has grown over the last twenty years into something phenomenal, and it's family run, they look after there customers, Unfortunately for me this company do not supply rover parts. So looking around for parts in the p5 mag I find a supplier that supplies rover parts and delivers the next day, Barry Kent, efficient service with a smile, even though things may have been on the expensive side. For me once I find a supplier that performs, using them again is a first call. So cheer up folks and look on the happy side, these companies do supply parts to rover users, we just have to except they run there business's how they choose and they have us by the "goolies" It's not worth moaning about over and over surely.
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Post by Welsh Warlock on Jun 20, 2014 13:52:31 GMT
A case of the market speaking I think.
Companies with good qulaity product and giving agood service will thrive, those that don't, won't.
Why does Mr Wadham say what he says? Simple, Politics.
Compete or die.
This is why the club will need to support parts for thes ecars more and more if the cars, and thefore the club, are to survive. The club should be about ALL OF ITS MEMBERS WORKING TOGETHER to help each other keep their cars on the road with the best quality parts at the most competitive costs.
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