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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2014 14:12:00 GMT
A case of the market speaking I think. Companies with good qulaity product and giving agood service will thrive, those that don't, won't. Why does Mr Wadham say what he says? Simple, Politics. Compete or die. This is why the club will need to support parts for thes ecars more and more if the cars, and thefore the club, are to survive. The club should be about ALL OF ITS MEMBERS WORKING TOGETHER to help each other keep their cars on the road with the best quality parts at the most competitive costs. It's worth remembering that when many of our cars were being restored back in the 80's/90's Jon Wadham was able to supply many remade panels and other unobtainable parts and it's due to him and his business that many cars are still on the road today. He is also able to supply many obscure parts such as the boot catch dovetail striker which is a perfect replica. I also note that he is now supplying rear door skins and the front valance.There are other suppliers here and abroad but I think we owe him a vote of thanks and it's pretty unbelievable that this club has such a poor relationship with him. PS, please no critical PM's.
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Post by guidedog on Jun 20, 2014 14:44:38 GMT
I agree with you 100% Resurgam I always go to Jon as first choice. It would be a lot harder without JRW and others to keep our cars together.
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Post by Welsh Warlock on Jun 20, 2014 16:58:42 GMT
A case of the market speaking I think. Companies with good qulaity product and giving agood service will thrive, those that don't, won't. Why does Mr Wadham say what he says? Simple, Politics. Compete or die. This is why the club will need to support parts for these cars more and more if the cars, and therefore the club, are to survive. The club should be about ALL OF ITS MEMBERS WORKING TOGETHER to help each other keep their cars on the road with the best quality parts at the most competitive costs. It's worth remembering that when many of our cars were being restored back in the 80's/90's Jon Wadham was able to supply many remade panels and other unobtainable parts and it's due to him and his business that many cars are still on the road today. He is also able to supply many obscure parts such as the boot catch dovetail striker which is a perfect replica. I also note that he is now supplying rear door skins and the front valance.There are other suppliers here and abroad but I think we owe him a vote of thanks and it's pretty unbelievable that this club has such a poor relationship with him. PS, please no critical PM's. You are entitled to your opinion Richard but I know more people he has annoyed than those that he has made happy. He has provided a valuable service over the years but IMHO there was no altruism involved whatsoever. ETA - Sorry didn't mean to continue to take this off topic
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2014 18:51:06 GMT
It's worth remembering that when many of our cars were being restored back in the 80's/90's Jon Wadham was able to supply many remade panels and other unobtainable parts and it's due to him and his business that many cars are still on the road today. He is also able to supply many obscure parts such as the boot catch dovetail striker which is a perfect replica. I also note that he is now supplying rear door skins and the front valance.There are other suppliers here and abroad but I think we owe him a vote of thanks and it's pretty unbelievable that this club has such a poor relationship with him. PS, please no critical PM's. You are entitled to your opinion Richard but I know more people he has annoyed than those that he has made happy. He has provided a valuable service over the years but IMHO there was no altruism involved whatsoever. ETA - Sorry didn't mean to continue to take this off topic He runs a business to provide a living for his family. He's not a registered charity and he's a lot easier to deal with than another "major" supplier who charges sky high prices and doesn't communicate at all. When JW last supplied a bumper it was expensive but was supposed the real deal: triple plated etc etc. I believe the Harrington alternative was much cheaper and made in Vietnam. The rest, as they say, is history.You generally tend to get what you pay for. I've been quoted circa £800 to rechrome my rear bumper so costs need to be put in perspective.
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Post by davidg on Jun 20, 2014 19:24:28 GMT
Sorry don't know what happened above. Lets try again. Yes youre right Steve P5b, it is a part time business and I have just got back from Croatia after being out there most of the week with my full time job of buying barley for a maltings. I was also away last week for 2 days. no excuses though, what was it you were enquiring about, please email green.david10@sky.com and i promise I will attend to it immediately. I also loose some emails into junk occasionally so maybe that's where it went. Alternatively call me on 077713 785619 Thanks David
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Post by petervdvelde on Jun 20, 2014 22:08:24 GMT
I also have positive experiences with JRW. I recently bought spares and Marsha (i believe that is Jon's daughter) was very friendly, responded the same day on all my emails and i received exactly what i wanted. It is a pity that the relationship between the club and one of the main suppliers is not good.
Peter
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Post by davidg on Jun 20, 2014 22:28:33 GMT
Sorry number should have said 07713 785619
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Post by Simon H on Jun 20, 2014 22:28:47 GMT
Cyf, I just needed the rear one and Harringtons have certainly altered the design based on your problems. I would of course have preferred chrome but living in Ireland where no re-chroming is done on large items it would have been much too expensive to ship my existing bumper to the UK and back again plus the re-chroming cost. Does that mean that Harringtons will supply just the rear bumper only? They only seem to want to sell front and rear together... Simon H
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Post by barryr on Jun 20, 2014 23:34:04 GMT
Hate to jump in again re suppliers as I'm also interested in bumpers but I think we have an interesting thread here.
I just wanted to ask if we ever tried to forge a good relationship with suppliers such as JRW as a club? Ie anyone on the committee or a volunteer gone to see them to document a feature for the mag? - It might just take a good go between for some relationship building.
Suspect we all use the main ones and generally we can get what we need - it's in all our interests to get along. I've had good and bad experiences with most and just recently an appalling one with an overpriced poor responding eBay supplier!
I was taken back a bit with the nature of some of the comments on here when discussing JRW. I remember when I first used them they sent out catalogues and listed saved cars where the inner middle and outer sills were replaced taking the hardest jobs away for us. As someone said on here they were instrumental in saving many cars.
I just think we are missing something here.
Barry
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Jun 21, 2014 5:29:30 GMT
Hate to jump in again re suppliers as I'm also interested in bumpers but I think we have an interesting thread here. I just wanted to ask if we ever tried to forge a good relationship with suppliers such as JRW as a club? Ie anyone on the committee or a volunteer gone to see them to document a feature for the mag? - It might just take a good go between for some relationship building. Suspect we all use the main ones and generally we can get what we need - it's in all our interests to get along. I've had good and bad experiences with most and just recently an appalling one with an overpriced poor responding eBay supplier! I was taken back a bit with the nature of some of the comments on here when discussing JRW. I remember when I first used them they sent out catalogues and listed saved cars where the inner middle and outer sills were replaced taking the hardest jobs away for us. As someone said on here they were instrumental in saving many cars. I just think we are missing something here. Barry Bumpers for me if I needed one it would be one from JRW I believe they are made in the UK? Yes it is a shame Barry but I think there is more behind the bad feelings between the club and Jon than we/I know and the open forum would not be the best place to air it if the committee wanted to. Jon has done a great deal for the P5 owner for many years and long may he do so! better PR would have saved a lot of grief I think
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Post by cyf on Jun 21, 2014 6:31:47 GMT
Everyone as good and bad experiences with each dealer, but once again, where did he saw that we/I said that the GH products are better than his? That's for me the biggest point because I feel being the bad guy
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Post by GlennR on Jun 21, 2014 7:27:02 GMT
Everyone as good and bad experiences with each dealer, but once again, where did he saw that we/I said that the GH products are better than his? That's for me the biggest point because I feel being the bad guy You didn't Cyf so don't feel it had anything to do with you. I have always wanted to see the relationship between the club and JRW sorted out but just like a family disagreement there seems to be a wall in the way. Hopefully one day it will start to be dismantled because at the moment nobody is gaining anything positive out of this. Let's hope they can build bridges but it will take one of the two sides to make the first move. If that does not work then at least the one that made the first move did the best they can. I agree with John Wallett that good PR is/was needed. It costs nothing but returns alot.
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Post by davethev8nut on Jun 21, 2014 8:12:38 GMT
I agree with the above comments. I am restoring my p5b coupe and will be using a lot of JRW parts including body panels that he has invested heavily in re manufacturing. I have only had good experiences with JRW. I am also a member of the stag owners club and they have a tooling fund which aims to work with suppliers to remanufacture obsolete parts. This helps to ensure the long time survival of our cars and can only be a good thing. I have not been a member for long enough to know the politics that have led to this situation but having a poor relationship with such a key supplier cannot be a good thing. I hope this can be resolved soon.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2014 8:43:13 GMT
Everyone as good and bad experiences with each dealer, but once again, where did he saw that we/I said that the GH products are better than his? That's for me the biggest point because I feel being the bad guy You didn't Cyf so don't feel it had anything to do with you. I have always wanted to see the relationship between the club and JRW sorted out but just like a family disagreement there seems to be a wall in the way. Hopefully one day it will start to be dismantled because at the moment nobody is gaining anything positive out of this. Let's hope they can build bridges but it will take one of the two sides to make the first move. If that does not work then at least the one that made the first move did the best they can. I agree with John Wallett that good PR is/was needed. It costs nothing but returns alot. Wise words Glenn. I think it would be a major step forward for the committee to send a letter to JRW and try to establish a new relationship which will be of benefit to all of us. Sometimes the past differences, however caused, just have to be forgotten and one party has to make the first move.I suggest it's the club that takes the initiative.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2014 13:01:48 GMT
I agree,direct communication is the answer,that and a fresh start. I have bought a few things from Wadhams and have had no problems at all,I've spoken to the guy and he's been helpful and obliging. Let bygones be bygones and start again.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2014 18:12:56 GMT
Agree the foregoing and JRW also needs to stop sniping at the organ that represents many of it's customers.
What's the point in that?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2014 19:32:35 GMT
Agree the foregoing and JRW also needs to stop sniping at the organ that represents many of it's customers. What's the point in that? There's no point that's why it would be beneficial if the stalemate is broken. I hope someone from the committee reading this will take things forward.
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Post by barryr on Jun 21, 2014 21:25:21 GMT
Agreed.
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Post by Dr Bob on Jun 23, 2014 10:07:54 GMT
You didn't Cyf so don't feel it had anything to do with you. I have always wanted to see the relationship between the club and JRW sorted out but just like a family disagreement there seems to be a wall in the way. Hopefully one day it will start to be dismantled because at the moment nobody is gaining anything positive out of this. Let's hope they can build bridges but it will take one of the two sides to make the first move. If that does not work then at least the one that made the first move did the best they can. I agree with John Wallett that good PR is/was needed. It costs nothing but returns alot. Wise words Glenn. I think it would be a major step forward for the committee to send a letter to JRW and try to establish a new relationship which will be of benefit to all of us. Sometimes the past differences, however caused, just have to be forgotten and one party has to make the first move.I suggest it's the club that takes the initiative. I have not idea what went on in the past - however as a new Member its seems amazing that the committee/club has not nipped this in the bud; Individuals will clearly sometimes have a bad experience with suppliers or issues, and not withstanding that characters on both sides may have had an issue or disagreements, or that the reason for this fall out was not "our" fault, (or not even understood which appears to be the case) it would appear to be madness that a key supplier of parts for a one make club should be treated this way; taking a stand is great - but if it cuts your nose of to spite your face then its probably more sensible that that a bit of rapprochement is tried don't you think? Personally, I was amazed at how many parts are available at JRW and it was one of the reasons I gave P5b ownership ago.. I have had great service so far and advice and guidance, so would recommend them. What ever the issue were/is I think we need organisations like JRW more than they need us - you could of course take a stand, not use them and they could ultimately go out of business, and you have won the war/point of principle!! That taught them a lesson..oh, hang on... I paid my subs to join a club where the best interests of the whole membership is taken into account - this surely means working with and keeping key suppliers on side and not letting apparent personal issues or disagreements fester to the detriment of the mass of members who need parts. Whoever is right or wrong in the past, Building bridges to JRW should surely be job number one at the next AGM?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 13:02:23 GMT
Wise words Glenn. I think it would be a major step forward for the committee to send a letter to JRW and try to establish a new relationship which will be of benefit to all of us. Sometimes the past differences, however caused, just have to be forgotten and one party has to make the first move.I suggest it's the club that takes the initiative. I have not idea what went on in the past - however as a new Member its seems amazing that the committee/club has not nipped this in the bud; Individuals will clearly sometimes have a bad experience with suppliers or issues, and not withstanding that characters on both sides may have had an issue or disagreements, or that the reason for this fall out was not "our" fault, (or not even understood which appears to be the case) it would appear to be madness that a key supplier of parts for a one make club should be treated this way; taking a stand is great - but if it cuts your nose of to spite your face then its probably more sensible that that a bit of rapprochement is tried don't you think? Personally, I was amazed at how many parts are available at JRW and it was one of the reasons I gave P5b ownership ago.. I have had great service so far and advice and guidance, so would recommend them. What ever the issue were/is I think we need organisations like JRW more than they need us - you could of course take a stand, not use them and they could ultimately go out of business, and you have won the war/point of principle!! That taught them a lesson..oh, hang on... I paid my subs to join a club where the best interests of the whole membership is taken into account - this surely means working with and keeping key suppliers on side and not letting apparent personal issues or disagreements fester to the detriment of the mass of members who need parts. Whoever is right or wrong in the past, Building bridges to JRW should surely be job number one at the next AGM? Forgive me if I've missed anything but has any member of the Committee made a comment yet?
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Post by David on Jun 23, 2014 13:30:50 GMT
No. The club will not reply on an open forum regarding club matters. As previously mentioned (and pointed out to 'Resurgam' in the past) the club AGM would be the best option - a day out, an insight in to the day to day running of the club by it's VOLUNTEERS, an opportunity to ask questions and maybe get answers you were not expecting, plus free entry to the Heritage Centre for all Rover P5 Club members who attend.
Can we now get this back on subject please.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 14:03:25 GMT
No. The club will not reply on an open forum regarding club matters. As previously mentioned (and pointed out to 'Resurgam' in the past) the club AGM would be the best option - a day out, an insight in to the day to day running of the club by it's VOLUNTEERS, an opportunity to ask questions and maybe get answers you were not expecting, plus free entry to the Heritage Centre for all Rover P5 Club members who attend. Can we now get this back on subject please. Well, that response about says it all! Carry on, head in the sand, don't listen to reason and let's have a grand day out! Meanwhile, due to certain people who will not have anything to do with Jon Wadham, this club has a non-existant relationship with its MAIN supplier. What's the point of "VOLUNTEERS" who are without any sort of vision. Probably best not to bother in the first place.
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Post by David on Jun 23, 2014 14:13:15 GMT
You are of course entitled to your opinion, albeit factually incorrect, but as I previously posted, why not come along to the AGM where all your questions and concerns will be answered.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 14:22:19 GMT
Looks like there's no chance of kissing and making up. Childish really.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 14:47:04 GMT
You are of course entitled to your opinion, albeit factually incorrect, but as I previously posted, why not come along to the AGM where all your questions and concerns will be answered. A number of people who contribute to this forum have indicated that they would like the club to have a better relationship with JRW. Your response strongly indicates to me that there is little incentive to take action.
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