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Post by enigmas on Dec 15, 2014 23:14:18 GMT
Are the roads still 'salted (?) during winter in the UK John?
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Dec 16, 2014 6:21:13 GMT
Are the roads still 'salted (?) during winter in the UK John? Yes when it's bad Vince "tons of it" A bit out of context I went round my friends yesterday who is into veteran motorbikes and he is removing 1/8" thickness from springs, unsetting and resetting on an Anvil only two small leaves! but it was interesting!
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Post by Jens Munk on Dec 16, 2014 9:36:20 GMT
The car is and has always been in Denmark. A little colder than the UK and through its active years of duty it has been driving in brine from November to March every year. It has been used actively until the 1990'ies, so all things considered, it could have been much worse. Always keep well protected by undercoating. Jens. Are the roads still 'salted (?) during winter in the UK John?
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Post by enigmas on Dec 16, 2014 10:55:57 GMT
So how did the body fair Jens? My first Magnette spent most of it's life in the UK and by the time I got it, it had extensive corrosion. Too much for me at the time to deal with.
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Post by Jens Munk on Dec 16, 2014 11:10:50 GMT
The body is good. There are a few minor repairs and the front lower corner of the right rear wing needs attention, but other than that it is good. It has apparently always been well sprayed with under body coating. I will, of course, never take it on a salty road. So how did the body fair Jens? My first Magnette spent most of it's life in the UK and by the time I got it, it had extensive corrosion. Too much for me at the time to deal with.
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Post by Jens Munk on Dec 17, 2014 10:28:18 GMT
The new springs arrived today. They are completely dry and wonder if I should take them apart and grease them before I wrap them up. What do you think? If so, which grease should I use? Attachment Deleted
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Dec 17, 2014 11:45:44 GMT
The new springs arrived today. They are completely dry and wonder if I should take them apart and grease them before I wrap them up. What do you think? If so, which grease should I use? View AttachmentLoads of grease whatever you have and wrap in Denso Tape before replacing or when you get them on the car OOPs got piped to the post but same advice
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Post by Jens Munk on Dec 17, 2014 12:25:32 GMT
Will do. In fact I just ordered two tubes of Graphite Molybdenum Sulfide High Pressure grease. if you can take them apart easily then that's best but otherwise just open up the leaves and force grease into every nook and cranny. I used a tin of CV grease I had and then wrapped them up in Denso Tape. I don't think the type of grease is that important to be honest. As the springs are stiffer than the originals, packing them with grease will help to give the ride more "give"
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Post by enigmas on Dec 17, 2014 12:27:07 GMT
I can't see any oil on the garage floor under the car John! There's obviously something wrong!
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Dec 17, 2014 12:43:49 GMT
I can't see any oil on the garage floor under the car John! There's obviously something wrong! Must have cleaned it up Vince
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Post by enigmas on Dec 19, 2014 1:24:20 GMT
Like all good dogs...they should mark their spot. You've obviously succeeded in the oil seal department where Rover did not! The leaf springs on your car don't appear to have a great deal of arch in the them John? I like a lower stance for my car, but not many traditionalists do. The polyairs fitted to the rear springs take care of any loaded concerns when needed. I've even removed a couple of the bottom leaves. Moving on...do you know if the front spring eye bushes are available?
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Post by GlennR on Dec 20, 2014 8:55:32 GMT
I can't see any oil on the garage floor under the car John! There's obviously something wrong! That's his front room Vince
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Post by styria on Jan 31, 2015 20:55:57 GMT
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Post by styria on Jan 31, 2015 21:05:55 GMT
Rear discs and calipers on a Rover 3 litre ? Never seen it before and am wondering if anyone has further details. Regarding lubrication of rear springs - I have separated the leaves on all of my P5s, applied copious quantities of graphite grease, and then wrapped heavy duty shoe leather on all springs - as close to original as possible. Same procedure with the front torsion bars. Regards Styria
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Post by enigmas on Jan 31, 2015 22:49:00 GMT
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Post by richardlamsdale on Apr 30, 2015 13:49:28 GMT
Just had a good talk with the chap at Brost Forge in London. They can re-temper/recondition the original springs for £85 each and can also press-in the new front bushes in the correct position (the guy already knew the bolt hole goes at about 1 o'clock, so they seem to know what they're doing). They have the original patterns and tempering 'settings', but they're also happy to set the springs to sit a specific amount higher than they currently sit. It's up to the customer.
I'll be dropping mine there in a few weeks, and will start a thread for the re-furb.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2015 16:27:20 GMT
Just had a good talk with the chap at Brost Forge in London. They can re-temper/recondition the original springs for £85 each and can also press-in the new front bushes in the correct position (the guy already knew the bolt hole goes at about 1 o'clock, so they seem to know what they're doing). They have the original patterns and tempering 'settings', but they're also happy to set the springs to sit a specific amount higher than they currently sit. It's up to the customer. I'll be dropping mine there in a few weeks, and will start a thread for the re-furb. That'll be interesting. Are you removing them yourself? The original springs have nylon spacers between the leaves but I don't suppose they're that important provided the spring is greased & wrapped. I assume they will only refurbish the springs if the condition warrants it. £85 is very reasonable compared to the cost of the "Lorry Springs" from JRW which do seem to be completely wrong for the car
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Post by richardlamsdale on Apr 30, 2015 16:50:15 GMT
That'll be interesting. Are you removing them yourself? The original springs have nylon spacers between the leaves but I don't suppose they're that important provided the spring is greased & wrapped. I assume they will only refurbish the springs if the condition warrants it. £85 is very reasonable compared to the cost of the "Lorry Springs" from JRW which do seem to be completely wrong for the car Agreed - it doesn't seem a bad price, and hopefully the car won't have it's back-end in the air afterwards! The price is for dismantling, re-tempering / setting and reassembly, but I may take them apart when I get them back and grease them myself, and see if I can re-use or re-make the nylon spacers - you've probably seen the threads on here where people made up new ones. Not sure if they do much, but will try. I also want to wrap the springs with Denzo tape and fit gaiters, so hopefully they'll last another 47 years. I'm removing them myself - it's half done at the moment, but my garage is only slightly bigger then the car so it's quite awkward to say the least! The springs are pretty rusty, so it will be interesting to see how they're returned, but the main thing is I want them set correctly to limit the strain on the Contrasonic shackles (gotta use the correct name now!).
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Post by norvin on Apr 30, 2015 17:41:40 GMT
I thought that springs with nylon spacers should not be greased. I do agree about JRW lorry springs after l had fitted them the back of my car was so high it looked like a dragster and that is why I ended up removing a couple of leaves.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2015 18:03:23 GMT
I thought that springs with nylon spacers should not be greased. I do agree about JRW lorry springs after l had fitted them the back of my car was so high it looked like a dragster and that is why I ended up removing a couple of leaves. They were greased originally and encased in gaitors. I think nylon/plastic whatever they used is inert so probably doesn't react with anything mineral. I used a spare tin of CV grease I had lying around and then mummified the springs in Denso after cleaning as best I could.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2015 18:10:37 GMT
That'll be interesting. Are you removing them yourself? The original springs have nylon spacers between the leaves but I don't suppose they're that important provided the spring is greased & wrapped. I assume they will only refurbish the springs if the condition warrants it. £85 is very reasonable compared to the cost of the "Lorry Springs" from JRW which do seem to be completely wrong for the car Agreed - it doesn't seem a bad price, and hopefully the car won't have it's back-end in the air afterwards! The price is for dismantling, re-tempering / setting and reassembly, but I may take them apart when I get them back and grease them myself, and see if I can re-use or re-make the nylon spacers - you've probably seen the threads on here where people made up new ones. Not sure if they do much, but will try. I also want to wrap the springs with Denzo tape and fit gaiters, so hopefully they'll last another 47 years. I'm removing them myself - it's half done at the moment, but my garage is only slightly bigger then the car so it's quite awkward to say the least! The springs are pretty rusty, so it will be interesting to see how they're returned, but the main thing is I want them set correctly to limit the strain on the Contrasonic shackles (gotta use the correct name now!). Why don't you get the guys to grease the leaves on assembly otherwise you'll have to break open the rivets and clamps. I don't think I'd bother with the spacers. I think they were put there to allow the grease to penetrate and to stop the leaves digging into each other. Good luck with the dismantling, you must have strong arms and you're doing well! How did you raise the car equally in such a tight space?
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Post by barryr on Apr 30, 2015 20:30:12 GMT
This is my next winter job when the front suspension is finally back together. Will watch with interest - good luck!
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on May 1, 2015 6:03:51 GMT
Rear discs and calipers on a Rover 3 litre ? Never seen it before and am wondering if anyone has further details. Regarding lubrication of rear springs - I have separated the leaves on all of my P5s, applied copious quantities of graphite grease, and then wrapped heavy duty shoe leather on all springs - as close to original as possible. Same procedure with the front torsion bars. Regards Styria Spring Gators may look nice/original but they may stop some dust but they can hold the water/damp The best way is loads of grease after cleaning and wrapping the springs in Denso Tape :- Denso Tape is a cold applied tape which remains plastic over a wide temperature range. It is non-hardening and non-cracking. It is highly resistant to mineral acids, alkalis, salts and micro-organisms and highly impermeable to water, water vapour and gases. Used for the protection of buried or exposed pipes, rods, cables, valves and metal fittings from corrosion. There is a lot of info if you do a search styria
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Post by richardlamsdale on May 1, 2015 17:44:19 GMT
Spring Gators may look nice/original but they may stop some dust but they can hold the water/damp I'd wondered whether that may be an issue - especially if you use vinyl, which isn't permeable. At least leather can breath a little. Were the original gaiters leather or vinyl? I'm certainly planning on using Denso tape on mine, just can't decide whether to use gaiters as well.
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Post by haikuhead on May 1, 2015 18:02:42 GMT
Spring Gators may look nice/original but they may stop some dust but they can hold the water/damp I'd wondered whether that may be an issue - especially if you use vinyl, which isn't permeable. At least leather can breath a little. Were the original gaiters leather or vinyl? I'm certainly planning on using Denso tape on mine, just can't decide whether to use gaiters as well. Let us know how you get on as I've finally found an original set of leaf-springs that need overhauling/ re-tempering and I was also thinking of taking to Brost Forge. I've grown completely fed up with the harsh, bumpy ride of the JRW springs and really don't care for the look of the car with it's backside up in the air!
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