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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Aug 9, 2014 15:57:57 GMT
What I would like is a list of what you as members would consider "Most Essential" to keep your car on the road? Parts that are most difficult to obtain! "PM" me your ideas bearing in mind some items will horrendous to re manufacture due to tooling set up costs then I will do a list which you can add to on the forum. I will give it a good go on the clubs behalf "it wont be easy" I have been there in the past and failed due to lack of interest So it's "down to you guys" the club is behind me lets see how it goes John.
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Post by Welsh Warlock on Aug 9, 2014 19:03:09 GMT
John, I reckon this might end up in two camps. The 3 litre and V8s.
The 3 litres will probably need mechanical parts whereas the V8s have huge support for the engines so more likely to be running gear.
I know the subframe mounts are difficult to get and expensive when you can and that the Aussies had a batch made a while ago so its doable at reasonable cost
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Post by Steve P5b on Aug 9, 2014 19:13:26 GMT
What I would like is a list of what you as members would consider "Most Essential" to keep your car on the road? Parts that are most difficult to obtain! "PM" me your ideas bearing in mind some items will horrendous to re manufacture due to tooling set up costs then I will do a list which you can add to on the forum. I will give it a good go on the clubs behalf "it wont be easy" I have been there in the past and failed due to lack of interest So it's "down to you guys" the club is behind me lets see how it goes John. INFORMATION www.youtube.com/watch?v=zalndXdxriI
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Aug 9, 2014 19:14:46 GMT
John, I reckon this might end up in two camps. The 3 litre and V8s. The 3 litres will probably need mechanical parts whereas the V8s have huge support for the engines so more likely to be running gear. I know the subframe mounts are difficult to get and expensive when you can and that the Aussies had a batch made a while ago so its doable at reasonable cost All models may cross over at some point Alan so any input will be good 3 litre or V8!
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Aug 9, 2014 19:19:14 GMT
What I would like is a list of what you as members would consider "Most Essential" to keep your car on the road? Parts that are most difficult to obtain! "PM" me your ideas bearing in mind some items will horrendous to re manufacture due to tooling set up costs then I will do a list which you can add to on the forum. I will give it a good go on the clubs behalf "it wont be easy" I have been there in the past and failed due to lack of interest So it's "down to you guys" the club is behind me lets see how it goes John. INFORMATION www.youtube.com/watch?v=zalndXdxriIYou will have to explain that one Steve
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Post by Steve P5b on Aug 9, 2014 19:31:32 GMT
Information is cheap John, no tooling costs, things like wiring diagrams, torque settings, part numbers suppliers contact details etc. And for those that like DIY then maybe a "how to" feature once a month. My fear is those that are not members won't get it, hence my link. It would be an awful amount of work for you to do though, thank you for volunteering, I'm sure you will do a good job.
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Aug 9, 2014 20:52:25 GMT
Information is cheap John, no tooling costs, things like wiring diagrams, torque settings, part numbers suppliers contact details etc. And for those that like DIY then maybe a "how to" feature once a month. My fear is those that are not members won't get it, hence my link. It would be an awful amount of work for you to do though, thank you for volunteering, I'm sure you will do a good job. I get your drift Steve I am not saying I will succeed
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Post by Steve P5b on Aug 10, 2014 8:02:43 GMT
As eastmidsrep suggests , subframe mounts would be a good example as most originals would be suffering by now.
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Aug 10, 2014 10:36:40 GMT
As eastmidsrep suggests , subframe mounts would be a good example as most originals would be suffering by now. I will put them om the list Steve 80 plus people viewed the post so far don't need any spares that's good news
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Post by vincentacres on Aug 10, 2014 11:43:16 GMT
John,
A great proposal!
When I restored and rebuilt my subframe despite having a kit of subframe bushes etc I found I has to source some close match bushes for a few areas and modify them to fit.
I may follow with some photos but it seems the bush at the rear of the Rod underneath the subframe is not currently available - also it's corresponding partner at the front end of the same rod.
I agree there is a need for subframe mounts.
I am surprised no one has yet listed window winders???
Also the bodywork jpanels ust below the front and rear screens???
Finally it annoys me immensely that we cannot source quarter light rubbers for the front windows.
Cheers,
Owen
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Aug 10, 2014 12:09:00 GMT
John, A great proposal! When I restored and rebuilt my subframe despite having a kit of subframe bushes etc I found I has to source some close match bushes for a few areas and modify them to fit. I may follow with some photos but it seems the bush at the rear of the Rod underneath the subframe is not currently available - also it's corresponding partner at the front end of the same rod. I agree there is a need for subframe mounts. I am surprised no one has yet listed window winders??? Also the bodywork jpanels ust below the front and rear screens??? Finally it annoys me immensely that we cannot source quarter light rubbers for the front windows. Cheers, Owen All noted Owen it will be an uphill struggle on some items as I have indicated due to tooling costs and the number of items needed to be run off to cover the costs! we will see how it goes
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2014 12:12:32 GMT
As eastmidsrep suggests , subframe mounts would be a good example as most originals would be suffering by now. I will put them om the list Steve 80 plus people viewed the post so far don't need any spares that's good news I can't speak for others John, but I'm still thinking about what to suggest. There's no point in just posting a list of suggestions most of which haven't got any chance of being taken forward! At this stage, I would certainly add subframe mounts to the "most essential" list.
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Post by markymark on Aug 10, 2014 12:45:35 GMT
Hi John, I'm only recently into P5 rovering, but when I overhauled the interior of my coupe last year I found it very difficult to find the interior wood trim pieces. In fact I'm still looking for the dash pieces now. I know you can re-veneer them yourself but....... Thanks, Mark
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Post by vincentacres on Aug 10, 2014 12:50:41 GMT
Just looking at my own words - I should have been a bit more descriptive - window winders - I am referring to the mechanism internal to the door with the cogged tooth profile etc... These wear out and as far as I am aware are unavailable. Coupes appear to often have them replaced with more readily available mechanisms that have been modified from sedans.
These might not be so expensive to remanufacture being mostly flat metal and concealed out of sight. The teeth being the part that wears and fails most readily.
However I accept that a prioritisation of parts will be necessary if indeed any can be remanufactured. Some of the parts I have suggested - while I personally see a need - others may not agree given some of these are 'out of sight' and not replaced on a frequent or in the case of the bushes on an easy basis.
Whatever the outcome if anything is successfully reproduced it will be a benefit for us all in extending the life of these wonderful well engineered motor vehicles.
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Aug 10, 2014 13:24:46 GMT
The present policy of buying up stocks has worked well but its time is limited. The funds available will just not be enough to develop some items but may help with a joint venture and a minimum production run.
The subframe mount is a good idea - this may well be an option for re-manufacturing. The old Mini front sub-frame is similar but much lighter nad although OEM is still available a polybush version has been designed which does not use bonded components. The resilience is variable too.
The club could also commission the turning up of batches of the various linkage bushes in nylon or brass. These can be done locally as 1 offs for individual owners as is done now but then there is delay and determination of specs/dimensions etc
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Aug 10, 2014 13:33:27 GMT
Hi John, I'm only recently into P5 rovering, but when I overhauled the interior of my coupe last year I found it very difficult to find the interior wood trim pieces. In fact I'm still looking for the dash pieces now. I know you can re-veneer them yourself but....... Thanks, Mark At least veneering is a job if you cant do yourself a competent cabinet maker can do for you Mark
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Post by Welsh Warlock on Aug 10, 2014 13:42:36 GMT
John, the Aussies have more issues with rubber items and have already had some remade. I already mentioned bushes but I believe they have also had some quarter light rubbers made but I THINK it was only for saloons.
I mentioned quarter light rubbers to Peter Collins more than once. They will become a big problem soon I believe.
Perhaps you could set up a tent at the National for people to come and have a discussion on parts availability? Easier to chat than to type.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2014 14:06:36 GMT
The present policy of buying up stocks has worked well but its time is limited. The funds available will just not be enough to develop some items but may help with a joint venture and a minimum production run. The subframe mount is a good idea - this may well be an option for re-manufacturing. The old Mini front sub-frame is similar but much lighter nad although OEM is still available a polybush version has been designed which does not use bonded components. The resilience is variable too. The club could also commission the turning up of batches of the various linkage bushes in nylon or brass. These can be done locally as 1 offs for individual owners as is done now but then there is delay and determination of specs/dimensions etc I must stop my self wandering into the area of "most overpriced" spares which are available but at silly money such as side indicator lenses etc because there's a list a mile long of spares which would be very useful but not ESSENTIAL for which we are obliged to pay a very high market rate. So, at the moment, regarding virtually unobtainable spares,l I can only think of the sub frame mounts, upper ball joints (or are they generally recoverable?) and windscreens for both models. Out of the three, I suppose most members will have more need for the ball joints and the windscreens.
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Post by Welsh Warlock on Aug 10, 2014 16:13:37 GMT
Windscreens are available
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Post by Simon H on Aug 10, 2014 18:22:35 GMT
Almost everything seems to be available. If you have the money. Maybe a list of 'near enough' compatible parts would be of use? For example I have seen 'correct' P5B engine mounts on Ebay for about £15 each. 'Correct' classic Range Rover V8 mounts are less than £4 including P&P. Maybe the stud threads have changed from UNC/UNF to metric but does that really matter (to anybody but a picky concours judge)?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2014 18:37:57 GMT
Windscreens are available I didn't know that. Where from and how much?
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Aug 10, 2014 20:16:54 GMT
Almost everything seems to be available. If you have the money. Maybe a list of 'near enough' compatible parts would be of use? For example I have seen 'correct' P5B engine mounts on Ebay for about £15 each. 'Correct' classic Range Rover V8 mounts are less than £4 including P&P. Maybe the stud threads have changed from UNC/UNF to metric but does that really matter (to anybody but a picky concours judge)? The mounts are different Simon the RR ones are deeper.
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Post by Warwick on Aug 11, 2014 3:01:26 GMT
John, I've sent you a PM with the email address of the RCCA spare parts manager. You can talk to him about the remanufactured subframe mounts and other parts. Later, you might even be able to discuss a joint venture on some parts.
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Aug 11, 2014 5:42:57 GMT
Hi Warwick thanks for the info I pinged off loads of emails yesterday and I included every club so we hope to get somewhere
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2014 9:07:24 GMT
I wonder if anyone has ever organised an alternative part list. A few P5b parts must be common to other vehicles or there are other parts than can be made to fit with minor modification. I did a search but couldn't find any list as such is that an idea worth doing?.
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