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Post by lordsfarm on Jan 22, 2015 9:06:11 GMT
Where can I purchase new rubber gaskets for my rear window (perished) and my front windshield (leaking) 1970 Rover P5B saloon. I have found a guy to do the work but I need to supply the rubbers?
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Jan 22, 2015 9:49:01 GMT
Where can I purchase new rubber gaskets for my rear window (perished) and my front windshield (leaking) 1970 Rover P5B saloon. I have found a guy to do the work but I need to supply the rubbers? Welcome to the Forum  For Scotts rubber seals try David Green Screen Rubbers |
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Post by Welsh Warlock on Jan 22, 2015 10:05:44 GMT
Has your fitter even done them on a P5 before? I ask as they are known to be difficult and even the experienced find them frustrating to fit. Allow a full day. Per screen. A good friend of mine has restored two cars and helped fit screens on several and he still dreads them. The last one he fitted (a few weeks ago) he had ordered new trim clips from a well known supplier. After several hours trying to refit the trim unsuccesfully he compared the clips and on casual inspection they appeared identical. After several more attempts and closer inspection he noticed what seemed like tiny differences in the clips between original and replacements. He installed the originals and the trim went back easily. His words were "The difference was night and day". Another friend (yes, I have nore than one) with a car that regularly wins trophies, had a slate fall and break his back window. He paid a professional fitter to instal the replacement rear screen and when he had finished it looked awful. The screen was not bedded correctly and the trim seems to have been stuck on with sealant rather than fitted on the clips. He's having it redone by someone else. My screens were fitted more than 10 years ago by Richard Spratley who was a well known P5 restorer. He had to have two goes at the front screen as the original seal supplied to him didn't fit well. He ordered another and it was fine. I can't recall which was the poorly fitting rubber but one wa sfrom Scotts and the other from a well known UK supplier of all things Rover. However, I understood that the UK supplier got his stock from Scott's anyway so not sure how he had the issue. I'm sure John will be along soon to share the secret of fitting the screens.  |
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Jan 22, 2015 13:14:24 GMT
I have done 7 front and rear's to date none have been plain sailing, 3 arrived after being done be professionals! one I can remember very well the trim on the rear was on top of the seal and the front was "held" in by luck not much else! as was all the trim  There are no short cuts doing the job! It will take a day at least to fit each screen if someone says it will take a day to do both they must be Superman, I wouldn't even attempt fitting the seals unless in a "very very" warm workshop or a summer day in full sun!! |
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Post by davidg on Jan 22, 2015 13:43:06 GMT
I have all of the screen rubbers in stock at the moment along with door and boot, all Scotts
David Green
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Jan 22, 2015 16:17:04 GMT
Hand on heart I have had no trouble with Scotts products other than the coupe front seal was slightly too long I worked with Scott to correct this which he did and they now fit fine you don't get the moulded flaps on the corners as OEM had! so you have to take care in how you do the corners  other suppliers products I can't comment on. |
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Jan 22, 2015 16:36:29 GMT
Hand on heart I have had no trouble with Scotts products other than the coupe front seal was slightly too long I worked with Scott to correct this which he did and they now fit fine you don't get the moulded flaps on the corners as OEM had! so you have to take care in how you do the corners other suppliers products I can't comment on. Is the Saloon W/S "easier" than the Coupe? I haven't done a saloon but the screen fit is very similar apart from the trim! |
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Jan 22, 2015 17:18:05 GMT
I had a guy come to see me last year to fit his rear coupe screen (P5b) and no way would the glass fit correctly, he had bought an early coupe screen with no heater so what vintage it was I don't know but without the rubber the shape was wrong, he was looking for another screen so what the outcome is/was??
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Post by kaiser on Jan 22, 2015 17:27:34 GMT
I had a guy come to see me last year to fit his rear coupe screen (P5b) and no way would the glass fit correctly, he had bought an early coupe screen with no heater so what vintage it was I don't know but without the rubber the shape was wrong, he was looking for another screen so what the outcome is/was?? Maybe a wrong screen? I don't think the bodywork shape changed at all during the years, except for the front fenders, to adopt the fog lights on the b. |
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Jan 22, 2015 18:03:27 GMT
I had a guy come to see me last year to fit his rear coupe screen (P5b) and no way would the glass fit correctly, he had bought an early coupe screen with no heater so what vintage it was I don't know but without the rubber the shape was wrong, he was looking for another screen so what the outcome is/was?? Maybe a wrong screen? I don't think the bodywork shape changed at all during the years, except for the front fenders, to adopt the fog lights on the b. I didn't/don't know why it was a poor fit kaiser there was "not enough curve to the screen" it was a coupe screen for sure, as you know the saloon is totally different, never had the problem before |
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Jan 22, 2015 18:47:50 GMT
Thevsaloon front is the worst possible one to do followed by the rear! I would have to be desperate to DIY it and would probably scrap the car first = get a professional who has done it before
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Post by Roverboy on Jan 22, 2015 19:44:26 GMT
I too recommend Scotts auto rubber we did the back windscreen on our coupe 2 years back and have had no trouble. I advise you to get a pro at least you have come back if there is something wrong . I have just bought all the door rubbers and the same guy is going to fit them.
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Post by kaiser on Jan 22, 2015 20:46:27 GMT
When I restored my P5B Coupe some years ago, I fitted a new seal to the front window. (As well as new rubbers all around, and new clips.) I must admit, I can't even remember fitting the rear window at all, so that for sure must not have made an impression on me. The front I also fitted, and apart from stretching a bit hard in places when putting the screws for the clips through, it was not unduly difficult at all. The front window seal was rubbish though, and only lasted maybe a year before cracking. The rubber seems of very poor quality.
Bought ah, maybe 15 years ago from and English supplier. His other seals were fine, except the doors really need a good push to close, especially in the beginning. The front window seal also looked OK, but was not. It is still on the car and will be patched with the most tasteful repairs available when the fancy takes me.
As for fitting a seal, I would give it a go, and just work with a good friend and take it easy. It can certainly be done!
As for warm garages, I luckily do not need that. And for the gooey stuff somebody is looking for, that can't be had now a-days, there are many other modern gooey products on the market. There is a Swiss rubber/silicone in a squeeze tube (fitted to an applicator gun) as far as I remember (SIKA)? VERY good and VERY tough! But I am sure there are others too.
I just remember the stainless steel beadings, which in places need a bit of tuck and push. And don't even think of using a hammer directly anywhere. Soft wood, a piece of hard plastic, small plastic mallet etc and it will go in nicely. Any strike in anger will leave a mark that will remind you not to loose your temper for the rest of your life, so don't do it!
Go for it, and make pictures as you go along.
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Jan 22, 2015 21:36:52 GMT
Thevsaloon front is the worst possible one to do followed by the rear! I would have to be desperate to DIY it and would probably scrap the car first = get a professional who has done it before That's a fair comment but where do you find a "pro" with the necessary experience? (Apart from John Wallett!) It's a serious question because you are likely looking at an "old school" tradesman who is unlikely to be found working for Autoglass. Maybe the classic insurance companies have contacts if the screen is "accidently" broken I think I would have a go myself and take John's advice of finding myself a nice warm workshop and allow whatever time it took recording every step of the job to make sure the clips were refitted in exactly the same place etc etc. There are guys out there you just have to find them! If you take your time and the rubber is kept warm have a go just don't rush it. If the trim/clips are correct it will push on or with a blow from your palm, never use a hammer or anything hard unless you have a few spare trims. The worst bit is getting the corners correct the more you stretch the more the seal pulls away from the screen surface, just make sure the screen is dead centre before you think of fitting the clips/clamps. The rear is a lot simpler to fit just remember the wires that go through the seal at the top for the fine wire heater if you have one, so don't cut out the old rubber without first finding the wires. What you use instead of DumDum? luckily I still have a couple of tins. |
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Post by lordsfarm on Jan 22, 2015 22:35:01 GMT
Well thanks guys that was a great response, I will check with the company and find out if they have done a P5 before. Once again many thanks |
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Post by stantondavies on Jan 22, 2015 22:57:17 GMT
Replacing screen rubbers is the last thing I would do. The first photo shows the condition on my car before treating with Sikaflex. The second photo is not the best but shows the improvement, if dusty. Applying Sikaflex is messy. The S/S trim and the glass need masking off. Latex gloves are a must. But the result is a serviceable bodge which buys more time. It has cleaned up quite well.
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Post by davewright on Jan 23, 2015 14:29:15 GMT
There is someone working for Autoglass in Salisbury who can do this. You either leave it with them for a day or provide a workshop that they can work in. You could even claim for this on your insurance.
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Post by stantondavies on Jan 23, 2015 16:06:22 GMT
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Just click on your photo milestone and you'll see it expands to full screen.
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Post by stantondavies on Jan 23, 2015 17:37:07 GMT
Ah! I've been having that problem!  |
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Post by R there other M reg P5B coupes on Jan 24, 2015 4:16:10 GMT
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Post by peeved on Feb 17, 2015 11:32:34 GMT
I've just fitted a replacement screen rubber to the front of my coupe. Took a while but got there. Can't say I'm having the same luck with the back. The bottom middle and bottom sides have gone on ok'ish, but the top trim will only click in place on the side and corner, not along the top. I've tried with seal lip inside (big gap between clips and trim) the seal and outside (better but still won't hold). The clips have slight movement on the screws, they're new clips from UK supplier (I'm in Australia), and have fitted Scott rubber seals front (poured boiling water into the delivered bag and stretched a treat onto the screen) and back (too tight, even heated in Aussie summer sun wouldn't stay on, kept pealing away on a corner, ended up taping the corners of the seal to the screen and after two weeks it had stretched enough to stay on without the gaffer tape!).
The rear seal seems to have located correctly (I'm hoping), but the trim won't hold to the clips along the top rail, even though I've fitted two washers under the clips in desparation.
I've tried fitting the clips into the channel off the car and they are a very tight fit (I wasn't able to push them in by hand), the old clips are too rusty to re-use, are there more than one source of clips as I think these may be the issue? I can post pictures tomorrow if it makes it easier to visualise.
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Post by peeved on Feb 17, 2015 11:37:57 GMT
Also wondering what clips to use on the piece that bolts to the C pillar. The top rail clips are too small, and the bottom rail clips too big, does anyone make these and what are they called? The pictures in the parts manual are tiny and make if difficult to differenciate between the different clip profiles...
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Post by peeved on Feb 17, 2015 11:40:28 GMT
Could I have been sent a saloon seal by mistake and that's why it was such a tight fit? Is the rear saloon and coupe seal profiles similar?
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Feb 17, 2015 14:04:48 GMT
Could I have been sent a saloon seal by mistake and that's why it was such a tight fit? Is the rear saloon and coupe seal profiles similar? Best we wait for pictures the saloon rear seal is totally different and would be longer in length I would have thought? The rear screen "should" be easier to fit than the front! if your clips are rusted (very unusual on the top/side roof edge trim) you will struggle. |
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Post by peeved on Feb 18, 2015 10:13:22 GMT
lower rear window www.dropbox.com/s/mjo5tz19jz3sy36/P2170024.JPGtop clip with seal rubber pushed in www.dropbox.com/s/mjo5tz19jz3sy36/P2170024.JPGif I stand the trim in place it sits up off the clips www.dropbox.com/s/kh4hkyfn3sndqum/P2170052.JPGnot the easiest thing to photograph. Hopefully from the first picture you can see the seal with the flap sitting up off the screen and over the bottom trim, is this correct? Picture of top clip from well known UK supplier, I've tried fitting the top trim with the seal pushed under the screen surround and with the trim sitting inside the seal (worse fit) The top trim has to lean out to let in sit down onto the clips, if I stand it up as in the picture it stands proud of the clips (which have two washers underneath!!) I've had a number of P6B's and fitting the screen and seal is an absolute joy, so well designed, they must've had a brain freeze with the P5  |
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