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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Jan 29, 2015 15:45:01 GMT
I have just re-foamed my rear seats and in one cushion there was one section which was proper foam "not the green sticky foam soup which seems to be normal" so I am sure it is a MK3 legacy ie use what you have got in stores My Coupe was registered in Sept 1969, I wonder if any of you guys have a very early P5b who has MK3 rear seats? you can tell if you poke your finger in one of the holes in the metal base! if it's solid and yellow I suspect it is MK3 if your finger disappears into a soggy mess it's not everyone I have have work on to date has been soup. No smutty comments please The original glue that bonded the foam pieces rots/dissolves the foam pieces On a good day it looks like this! on a bad day it looks just the same!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 18:47:25 GMT
The foam in seats seems to end up as the soggy mess in the picture. The same sort of mixture (tiny bits of different coloured foam glued together) seems to be used as padding on places like the transmission tunnel etc and yet seems to survive well. Maybe the movement the foam in seats is subjected to hurries along the breakdown process.
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Jan 29, 2015 19:05:41 GMT
I cant remember foam around the tunnel Kev mine I am sure was the thick straw coloured under felt! or was there a thin layer under the carpet? it's a while ago now Kev I don't know if the disintegration is accelerated by anything other than how it's made perhaps a different cake mix
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 19:32:52 GMT
Mine had a thin layer of multi coloured foam still all intact under the carpet. Some thick sound proofing felt was stuck on the tunnel. I have a spare set of rear seats up in the loft I'm sure they are the 'crumbly foam' variety although the ones in the car seem OK.
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Post by Welsh Warlock on Jan 30, 2015 13:13:04 GMT
My 1970 P5B Coupe had crumbly seat foam syndrome. In fact it was quite a sticky gloopy mess. Horrible stuff. Not as bad a yours though John but still collapsed. A lot may have been to dow ith how the car was stored as I expect the foam in a car left in hot conditions for long periods will detoriorate more quicly than one stored in a cooler and stable environment. I have seen many like this and its intersting at shows to look at the rear seats and note how the side of the base on most cars is saggy rather than stretched as it should be
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Jan 30, 2015 14:12:10 GMT
It's a sticky messy gloop for sure Alan. The picture was from my fronts I did years ago the rears weren't quite so bad the foam in my rears was probably in the same state as your foam, it says a lot for how the Dunlopillo copes with no real support! more so in the rears. There are a lot of soggy bottoms out there At least I had one Mk3 cheek pass side
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Jan 30, 2015 18:27:24 GMT
Yes they can't make things last these days - disgraceful for Leyland-Rover only 40+ years yet a my real Rover P2's horse-hair and Dunlopillo seats are still going strong over 75 years on
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Jan 30, 2015 20:33:29 GMT
A decision to save a few bob between the MK3 and the P5b production I suppose it was a new concept and they didn't think they would be still be a going concern 45 years later
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Post by kaiser on Jan 30, 2015 21:30:13 GMT
No, I don't think they even thought of that. They simply didn't have a clue how the stuff would perform long term. ! Similar to the morons using plastic bits in the engine compartment today. Well - - actually worse, since the current designers/engineers should have learned from, well such examples as these.! All that fails on my modern Rovers are German parts, often in plastic. thermostat housings, radiators front light lenses, rear light fasteners, inside light lugs etc etc. ---- don't mention the war!! If you want to do it right, use proven methods and materials. Leave it to others to experiment.
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Jan 30, 2015 22:49:37 GMT
The P2 "Coachwork by "RoVeR" did rust though and had some inch thick lead loading on some of the joints that looked to have been fettled with a sledgehammer. Also got woodworm in some of the timber (Ash?) framing. The Bakelite plastic parts are still good though
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