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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on May 12, 2015 11:29:56 GMT
Never mind Warwick no one is infallible It makes sense to have the ferule at the top as there is more of the bush to take the weight as Richard pointed out. At least it will be a guide for other guys in the future John, as your car is on OEM springs and have only been there a few years, I would be very interested to see how the Contrasonic bush looks on your car. I assume you have JRW replacement "contrasonics"? Can you post a picture when you've got some time or describe the distortion if any? Thanks. I will Richard when I get time no the Y suspension's are Metalastic
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2015 11:31:10 GMT
Richard,I think you have pretty much hit the nail on the head. By coincidence,I've just got back from a test drive in another 70s luxury car,its ride is much superior to the rover,its quieter and its for sale. At least I'll no longer have to worry about contra whatsits. Kev, that sounds a bit like you're thinking of finishing with your Rover?
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2015 11:35:18 GMT
John, as your car is on OEM springs and have only been there a few years, I would be very interested to see how the Contrasonic bush looks on your car. I assume you have JRW replacement "contrasonics"? Can you post a picture when you've got some time or describe the distortion if any? Thanks. I will Richard when I get time no the Y suspension's are Metalastic John, then you have the set up as the car was meant to be. I suspect you're the only one lucky enough to have NOS springs and bushes and you are the only one whose photo's will show the actual deflection(if any) in the bush as it is meant to be. Can you handle the responsibility?
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Post by Warwick on May 12, 2015 11:44:46 GMT
John, then you have the set up as the car was meant to be. I suspect you're the only one lucky enough to have NOS springs and bushes and you are the only one whose photo's will show the actual deflection(if any) in the bush as it is meant to be. Can you handle the responsibility? I didn't know that!
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on May 12, 2015 11:44:56 GMT
I will Richard when I get time no the Y suspension's are Metalastic John, then you have the set up as the car was meant to be. I suspect you're the only one lucky enough to have NOS springs and bushes and you are the only one whose photo's will show the actual deflection(if any) in the bush as it is meant to be. Can you handle the responsibility?
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Post by Warwick on May 12, 2015 11:50:13 GMT
Great, thanks. Might be easier to do this by email. You could send a scanned sketch, I can drawing in AutoCAD and send it back for checking. I'll PM you my address. If it's easier, you could email me some close-up photos taken square on from above, end on, and below. Then I can draw it and number the various dimensions, send it back, and and you can then tell me what the various numbers equal. And John, Perhaps you could get me some of those on-car dimensions that I asked Richard for after the spring thaw arrives and the old girl comes out of hibernation. There are bound to be differences between cars and it would be good to establish an average or confirm specs.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2015 11:55:40 GMT
Richard,I think you have pretty much hit the nail on the head. By coincidence,I've just got back from a test drive in another 70s luxury car,its ride is much superior to the rover,its quieter and its for sale. At least I'll no longer have to worry about contra whatsits. Kev, that sounds a bit like you're thinking of finishing with your Rover? Probably,I've got three other vehicles so one has to go. Just making sure I'm not letting myself in for another load of welding,I'm too old to keep grovelling about under cars.
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Post by Warwick on May 12, 2015 12:05:45 GMT
Richard,I think you have pretty much hit the nail on the head. By coincidence,I've just got back from a test drive in another 70s luxury car, its ride is much superior to the rover,its quieter and its for sale. At least I'll no longer have to worry about contra whatsits. What you have to remember Kev, is that the P5 (6 or V8) is a 1950s luxury car that just stayed in production until the '70s.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2015 13:55:15 GMT
Richard,I think you have pretty much hit the nail on the head. By coincidence,I've just got back from a test drive in another 70s luxury car, its ride is much superior to the rover,its quieter and its for sale. At least I'll no longer have to worry about contra whatsits. What you have to remember Kev, is that the P5 (6 or V8) is a 1950s luxury car that just stayed in production until the '70s. I have more in common with the Rover than I thought then. Both carrying on when we should have been pensioned off.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2015 14:03:46 GMT
Great, thanks. Might be easier to do this by email. You could send a scanned sketch, I can drawing in AutoCAD and send it back for checking. I'll PM you my address. Have just sent the dimensions by Email.
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on May 12, 2015 19:00:30 GMT
Never mind Warwick no one is infallible It makes sense to have the ferule at the top as there is more of the bush to take the weight as Richard pointed out. At least it will be a guide for other guys in the future John, as your car is on OEM springs and have only been there a few years, I would be very interested to see how the Contrasonic bush looks on your car. I assume you have JRW replacement "contrasonics"? Can you post a picture when you've got some time or describe the distortion if any? Thanks. I am getting to old for crawling under cars Richard They are still well bonded so should last for a long while Spent a lot of the day polishing and checking the car off to Yorkshire/Durham to a show and see some relatives!
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2015 20:26:17 GMT
John, as your car is on OEM springs and have only been there a few years, I would be very interested to see how the Contrasonic bush looks on your car. I assume you have JRW replacement "contrasonics"? Can you post a picture when you've got some time or describe the distortion if any? Thanks. I am getting to old for crawling under cars Richard They are still well bonded so should last for a long while Spent a lot of the day polishing and checking the car off to Yorkshire/Durham to a show and see some relatives! Certainly less distortion than mine on my original springs and only the slightest rearward movement on yours with the NOS springs. So your set up is the nearest we're going to see as to how it probably looked when new. Thanks for posting that . It makes no difference but I installed mine to show the "Metalastic" facing towards the rear.
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Post by richardlamsdale on May 12, 2015 23:21:11 GMT
I am getting to old for crawling under cars Richard They are still well bonded so should last for a long while Spent a lot of the day polishing and checking the car off to Yorkshire/Durham to a show and see some relatives! Certainly less distortion than mine on my original springs and only the slightest rearward movement on yours with the NOS springs. So your set up is the nearest we're going to see as to how it probably looked when new. Thanks for posting that . It makes no difference but I installed mine to show the "Metalastic" facing towards the rear. My car's feeling camera-shy after all these photos of immaculate chassis, wrapped leaf springs and OEM shackles. Very nice.
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Post by Warwick on May 12, 2015 23:45:48 GMT
Have just sent the dimensions by Email. Got it. Thanks Richard.
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Post by enigmas on May 13, 2015 3:19:24 GMT
Very neat John, flat washers, spring washers and hex nuts. I still can't see any dirt! Shame on you Richard, non period nylocs and no zinc plated flat washer.
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Post by Warwick on May 13, 2015 5:24:40 GMT
Very neat John, flat washers, spring washers and hex nuts. I still can't see any dirt! If you look closely Vince, you can see a couple of dead bugs stuck to the Denso tape. They'll have to go before that forthcoming show.
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on May 13, 2015 5:45:52 GMT
Very neat John, flat washers, spring washers and hex nuts. I still can't see any dirt! If you look closely Vince, you can see a couple of dead bugs stuck to the Denso tape. They'll have to go before that forthcoming show. At least they aren't Huntsman Spiders Warwick I still haven't done under the arches Vince I am sure there will be some dirt to brush off!
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Post by Warwick on May 13, 2015 5:59:19 GMT
You'd never find a huntsman hiding under a Pommie car John. Their natural habitat is behind the sun-visors in Holdens and Falcons.
Hang on, I forgot that they're fond of Range Rover sun-visors, dashboards, seats, air vents, and door hinges.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 8:59:16 GMT
Very neat John, flat washers, spring washers and hex nuts. I still can't see any dirt! Shame on you Richard, non period nylocs and no zinc plated flat washer. Like for like! Honest. There were nylocks on the old contrasonics on both the top and the bottom and they were 100% original as was the large washer. My car was built in 1970 and, according to some on here, things had gone to pot under BL, hence nylocks rather than a "proper" nut and spring washer I did try to line up all the flats which can't be seen in the picture
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 9:02:15 GMT
Certainly less distortion than mine on my original springs and only the slightest rearward movement on yours with the NOS springs. So your set up is the nearest we're going to see as to how it probably looked when new. Thanks for posting that . It makes no difference but I installed mine to show the "Metalastic" facing towards the rear. My car's feeling camera-shy after all these photos of immaculate chassis, wrapped leaf springs and OEM shackles. Very nice. Richard, that part of my chassis is the exception because I can reach it to paint. It's not all like that I can assure you as evidenced by the tatty old wheel carrier showing. John's car is the exception and looks immaculate everywhere underneath.
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Post by enigmas on May 13, 2015 11:12:43 GMT
John said, If I recall that was a popular song...probably during the Blitz! Resurgam said, Ah there's nothing like a bit of OCD...it's generally a compulsion for blokes with spanners! (Been there)
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on May 13, 2015 12:26:01 GMT
John said, If I recall that was a popular song...probably during the Blitz! Resurgam said, Ah there's nothing like a bit of OCD...it's generally a compulsion for blokes with spanners! (Been there) I think you need to get out more Vince
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Post by Warwick on May 14, 2015 11:09:37 GMT
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on May 14, 2015 14:43:13 GMT
I think you and Vince are on the Tinnies again
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Post by richardlamsdale on May 16, 2015 15:56:04 GMT
If you could accurately measure the distance from the centre of the hole in the sleeve in the front bush, to the centre of one of the two holes at the rear end of the top leaf, I can compare it with the distance on the drawing. It sounds like Brost Forge could be the best chance of getting as close to original spring characteristics as possible. Then, if after you fit them, you find that your car sits with the correct stance at the rear, we will know that the springs are close to original. While your springs are off, would you mind measuring the distance from the centre of the hole in the forward spring bracket to one of the lower studs beneath a new Contrasonic shackle bolted to the body. Finally, what I'd like to know is this. After the new springs are fitted and with your car sitting on flat, level ground, what is the distance from the ground to the centre of the forward spring bracket's bolt hole? What is the distance from the ground to the underside of the spring between the lower Contrasonic shackle bolts? This will give me the difference in height between the front and rear of the spring. My drawing assumes that they are the same and that the line between them is horizontal, but I'm sure it isn't. I'd also like to know the angle (off horizontal) of the spring leaf where the shackle bolts on. With all this information, I can modify the drawing and we'll know a lot more. Hi Warwick, I have one measurement, but my springs are still being re-set so the other will take a few weeks. The measurement J3-J4 on my car is 1258mm centre to centre. I measured pretty accurately (within 1-2 mm I would say). The manual says it should be 1250 +/- 3mm, so assuming my measurement is right mine is 5mm out of tolerance. Would be interesting to hear what others measure.
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