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Post by daveh on Jun 1, 2016 17:01:12 GMT
i have seen a car for sale that's got my interest, the car looks immaculate from the pictures
i have not seen it yet that's a hour or two drive away but no a problem. along with interior
seats and carpet, and body work the main changes are a engine/gearbox replacement,
i would like to ask after you see what the changes are if it's good modification and i know it's
not as factory but will these changes affect the taxation class also is this something the
insurance companies allow without a colossal hike in the yearly premium, plus the price asked
is quite high but he says has the receipts for all the work on this car that shows he spent more
than twice the asking price, the car is a 1973 on a L plate, so is this a good modification that will
make it even better as daily runner, i don't have any problems with my p5 and i could keep both
or even sell it on if i don't get to use both
powerful, 3.9 Rover unit with Holley Carb
breathing through an Edel brock filter.
This was mated to a fully rebuilt BMW ZF 4-speed AUTO box
in place of the Borg Warner 3-speed original.
The 3.9 Rover engine is the same as fitted in the 1990’s to Range Rover,
TVR, Morgan, MG etc. The original B/W 3-speed gearbox, often referred to
as the ‘weak link’ in the P5 has been replaced by the modern ZF box with
4th Overdrive gear for effortless Motorway cruising, this only kicks-in
above 50 mph, so should enhance fuel economy as well as performance.
Silver Birch over Bordeaux Red and coach-lined like the original.
The underside was painted in red oxide, then 2 coats of stone-chip
and finally waxoiled. Comprehensive mechanical overhaul at every stage.
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Post by petervdvelde on Jun 2, 2016 6:08:39 GMT
I use my p5b daily and will fit a zf 4 speed as the car make too much revs on the motorway. A 3.9 gives you more power, electronic ignition. I don' t think the car needs this extra power but i can understand that the previous owner choosed the 3.9 instead of overhauling the standard engine. I am a big fan of SU as these are simple to adjust and are a good match for the Rover so i would not fit a holley or edelbrock.
What it does to the value dependance on who you speak. If you speak to someone who wants to use the car frequently, the mods are a big plus as these improve drivebility and reliability but If you speak to someone who want an original car to tinker with and not driving many miles, the mods will not be regarded positively.
I don't mind originaliteiten as long as the mods improve drivebility or reliability and i go for long term ownership so don't sorry to much about the value chargés due to the mods
Peter
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Post by charlie on Jun 2, 2016 8:31:49 GMT
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Post by enigmas on Jun 2, 2016 8:49:14 GMT
If the car is as presented and properly engineered the upgrades are a great combo...especially the ZF 4 speed. Whether holley or SU...well that's a personal choice based upon aesthetics. The fitted ZF 4 speed is what really makes it a viable purchase but for the considerable asking price the rest of the car needs to be to a high standard.
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Jun 2, 2016 9:26:45 GMT
From memory the 3.9 suffered from overheating causing liner problems ie liners dropping I am trying to think who it was but one of the forums guys went back to the 3.5 as he was having lots of problems!
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Post by daveh on Jun 2, 2016 9:49:16 GMT
once again many thanks to all for the advice and info
i'm not as knowledgeable on these cars as most other members
that's why after seeing this car i asked about it and it's modifications
first impression it looks first class from the pictures, i haven't looked at it yet but
you have pointed things out i missed like trim missing and things that don't look right
on the car plus info on the engine fitted also previous listings for this car etc:
and i now need to think if this is as good as the details posted for the car is it just
the price that's the reason why it's not sold previously, i would if buying try very hard
to negotiate the price down, as well as taking a friend who is a trained rover mechanic
before any offers even thought of.
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Post by velvet on Jun 2, 2016 13:13:40 GMT
The rear door cards on this car are from a saloon NOT coupe, so they're not fitting correctly, the front door cards well i dont know whats going on there especially with the passenger mappocket, and i'm not sure the front seats are re-trimmed as claimed !. The rear bench seat could be original on order spec from new but i rather suspect its from a a donor probably the same one the rear cards came from, not a major issue as David Green can help you there.
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Post by tonys on Jun 2, 2016 17:58:47 GMT
There's been a lot of debate about the Rover V8 liner issue for many years, from memory the later P38 4.0 and 4.6 (a longer stroke 4.0) were more likely to be affected. There was also a suggestion that LR were running weaker mixtures as time went on, with a view to reducing consumption (would it make that much difference?)and emissions. I don't know whether other users of the V8 suffered from the same problems, to the same degree, but many of those would have used their own fuel mapping. This is an interesting article robisonservice.blogspot.co.uk/2009/10/all-you-ever-wanted-to-know-about-land.html |
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Post by enigmas on Jun 3, 2016 1:58:47 GMT
Interesting enough Tony, but none of this information is new. Most of it goes back to the 1960's or prior to that when the original alloy engines were designed and were die cast not sand cast by GM. There were issues in volume production with core shift and liner placement. Eventually methods were developed for manufacturing light weight cast iron blocks with none of these related issues so pragmatically GM moved on from the alloy blocks...and the MD of Rover eventually discovered the alloy blocks and purchased the manufacturing rites.
At the time consumers weren't diligent enough in using the 'correct' coolants so eventually electrolysis would eat the engines internally. Today alloy engines are common and service work more comprehensive and professional, so these issues no longer apply.
Many of the issues had to do with mass production methods, poor quality control and costs? Any specialised and reputable engineering business (not your local garage mechanic) can effectively repair these blocks as technology has moved on. I've had several blocks (primarily OZ P76) salvaged by incredibly clever engineers all at very reasonable cost...these having more damage due to age and hamfisted backyard mechanics than built in design issues.
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Post by daveh on Jun 4, 2016 17:10:24 GMT
after reading everyone's comments i did not bother going to stand in front of it, it looked very good in the pictures posted but they can be very deceptive of the true condition it was highly priced and don't think i could have got the price down enough for me to make a serious offer, the site i first found it on now says the This advert has now been removed through sale or otherwise, please see the list below for similar live adverts www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C723942#but on the website of the garage handling the sale still has the car for sale. |
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