PETROL & DIESEL CARS TO BE BANNED BY 2040

[haikuhead]

With the headline news this morning that sales of new petrol and diesel cars will be banned by 2040 - and that all petrol and diesel cars to be off the road by 2050 (possibly earlier) I'm wondering how this will impact classic car ownership and values. Will there be an exemption for vehicles older than a certain date?

Obviously, most of us will likely be dead by then so it won't affect us that much directly but I do wonder about the impact of values, ownership and the spare parts industry for the next generation or two of classic car owners.

Maybe Tesla cars are the classics for future generations?

[Eric R]

Probably wont affect me either but I have been musing -
Will petrol stations (already a dying species closing down faster than pubs) become things of the past?
Will motorway service stations close because no one will call in for a sandwich and fill-up?
Will there be any conventional garages with engineers, mechanics, or office staff with no repairs required?
Will unemployment rise?
Will war break out with the oil producing states deprived of revenue?
Will we all fly around with personal back packs propelled by AAA re-chargeable batteries?
The mind boggles.

[David]

Extract from the August issue of 'Take Five'.

[johnwp5bcoupe]

Bearing in mind most of the crap is put out by Buses,Lorries,Trains,and Industry I cant see it happening but??

I want to see an Electric HGV

[ozriderp5]

Jul 26, 2017 11:00:19 GMT johnwp5bcoupe said:

Bearing in mind most of the crap is put out by Buses,Lorries,Trains,and Industry I cant see it happening but??

I want to see an Electric HGV

Trains are basically a small engine (relatively) as a generator running massive electric motors.

Hybrid HGV's are not far away, electric not far behind that.

[haikuhead]

Jul 26, 2017 10:30:02 GMT Eric R said:

Will petrol stations (already a dying species closing down faster than pubs) become things of the past?
Will motorway service stations close because no one will call in for a sandwich and fill-up?
Will there be any conventional garages with engineers, mechanics, or office staff with no repairs required?

I imagine that many—if not most—existing service stations will be converted into 'electric charging stations' that continue to sell coffe and sandwiches on the side but yes, when the entire infrastructure for petrol and diesel vehicles begins to disappear then they won't even need to ban classic cars from the roads as we won't have anywhere to fill up with petrol anyway. Even the rarest Ferrari or Bugatti may just become a very expensive ornament.

[Eric R]

I bear in mind that Leyland employed the Rover gas turbine engine in a a heavy truck and David Bache's team designed the cab shell and interior. Whatever happened to that?

Coincidentally the Govt has cancelled some major train electrification plans from diesel!

[Eric R]

an electric charging point requires a car width space so I cant quite see one or two replacing a petrol station.

[davethev8nut]

My own opinion is that petrol and diesel cars are on the way out. That said it will take some time to achieve and as owners of historic vehicles we will have some access to petrol was past 2040 or 2050. By that time there may also be a big industry in converting vehicles to electric propulsion and I remember the successful conversion carries out on a Mazarati but wheeler dealers. I don't think we need to worry.

[richardlamsdale]

I agree, eventually petrol will become very much a specialist purchase, much like leaded petrol today. It won't be long before there are good conversions for classic cars to electric power, and creating the correct exhaust note and vibration of an engine wouldn't be difficult. Done properly it would be very difficult to tell whether a car was I.C. or electric.

Just need to figure out how to simulate the smell of 50 years of oil and petrol leaks :-)

[enigmas]

I think electric motivation is an inevitable outcome for densely populated cities especially in relation to forms of public transport. Congestion of space in relation to privately owned vehicles whether electric or IC is already an issue, especially in regions of high population density. I find it truely amusing though, that the proponents/apologists for 'all' electric, believe that the energy required for these vehicles will be both cheaper and limitless. No energy source is free or limitless, something has to crank over the generators for the huge supply of electricity to power entire cities and every electric divice in use. So what will motivate these huge and numerous generators? Wind, sun, ocean tides, geo-thermal activity within the core of the planet or nuclear reactors. Interestingly in Oz with the push by certain political/green lobbies to convert all remaining fossil fueled power generation to 'natural forms' such as, wind and solar, entire States such as South Australia have seen huge blackout/outages occur. Similarly, Victoria is heading down the same track currently with the price of electricity being put beyond the reach of large sectors of Australian society. Putting all your eggs in one basket has always been a proven recipe for disaster in times of change.

[Eric R]

The Channel Islands of Guernsey/Jersey etc have limited space for vehicles and roads but I recall that cars reaching two years old were shipped back to UK mainland for auction to be replaced with new. This might have just applied to tourist hire cars so needs research.

[johnwp5bcoupe]

The statement is the sale of "new cars" from 2040 Hmmmmm

[ozriderp5]

Jul 27, 2017 8:08:33 GMT Eric R said:

The Channel Islands of Guernsey/Jersey etc have limited space for vehicles and roads but I recall that cars reaching two years old were shipped back to UK mainland for auction to be replaced with new. This might have just applied to tourist hire cars so needs research.

Japan has similar rules, I believe a roadworthy for a car over a minimum age is a huge cost.

As a result we have a huge grey market and can buy japanese parts fairly cheap.

[Eric R]

cant wait until I see F1 cars racing round in silence causing a draught.