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Post by nz on Oct 18, 2019 2:44:48 GMT
Photo above of Toyota Hi-Ace power rack. Late 80' to early '90s. Your fabricated steering arms look the bees knees. Looks like the way to go. Power racks are cheap, so money for s/arm fabricating should be the dearest part of the swap. But worth it...
If the rack is too narrow with Rover balls modded on, then the new fabricated Rover s/arms can be tapered to suit Toyota balls. (Smaller taper than Rover.) More measurements supplied on demand. Paul. NZ.
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Post by enigmas on Oct 18, 2019 8:43:50 GMT
There's 2 viable options there Paul with regard to steering arms and tie rod ends  |
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Post by nz on Oct 18, 2019 19:16:57 GMT
Unfortunately my engine swap 2"x1" mount is directly in the way of the Toyota steering shaft. I cut the mount away prior to roadworthy and the rack looked like it would fit. Sadly, the mount had to go back in. One day I may V6 Commodore the car, and then I'd use the rack. All it would take is one adventurous soul, and the flood gates would open. Do you feel lucky, well do you. haha. Paul.
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Post by enigmas on Oct 18, 2019 22:29:35 GMT
What engine did you fit Paul? I'd be interested in seeing the conversion. Do you have any pbotos of it in situ?
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Post by nz on Oct 20, 2019 22:43:12 GMT
I hope photos come thru. Two shots of interior, showing how electric Jeep Cherokee seats are a bolt in. Rear seat perfect width, and even has cut-out for Rover coupe ashtray. Engine is '98 Nissan Elgrand, 3.2 turbo diesel intercooled. 159hp, and loads of torque. RL4R01A Nissan Laurel one year only cable operated (no electronics) 4 spd auto with o/d and lock-up, both able to be switched off. Elgrand diesel is the most powerful of the iteration. Power booster relocated. Intercooler and trans cooler behind grille. New fuse box and wiring to suit alternator. Thicker starter cable front to rear. Car pulls very well. I'd say it's as fast as the 3.5 V8. (sacrilege..) Seems like 0-60mph in 9 secs. The extra lower gear helps. Not a lot of room, as the Nissan diesel is 2 ft long and 2 feet wide with accessories. P Attachment DeletedAttachment DeletedAttachment DeletedPaul. |
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Post by nz on Oct 20, 2019 22:44:59 GMT
Attachment DeletedAttachment DeletedAttachment DeletedOMG, I tried reducing all photos, but it only let me put 3 photos on, so I'll try for 3 more. Original Rover bucket seats were very heavy, but I can lift one Jeep seat easily with one hand. Diesel engine is many many pounds lighter than ioe 6. Mags and tires are much lighter. I estimate I've removed 300 lbs + from original weight. In fact with the diesel engine and box in, I had to lower torsions about 3". I'll get the car weighed and report. In my defence, the car was missing its original engine and auto when I bought it, in a parlous state. In fact the Rover boys didn't want it, except for spares. My '99 XKR (supercharged) Jag. Will it end up in 'other cars'.
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Post by vincentacres on Oct 21, 2019 6:18:11 GMT
Hi Paul,
Slightly off post topic but IIRC you fitted Dodge Journey rims? Would Jeep Grand Cherokee rims also fit or are they a different PCD do you know?
Regards,
Owen
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Post by enigmas on Oct 21, 2019 7:16:43 GMT
Hi there Owen...good to see that you still post to the forum on occasion. How about posting some updated pix and text about your coupe...perhaps some updates on how the volvo steering is performing and of course your ZF conversion?  Paul...that looks to be one mighty complex installation. Certainly is a tight fit. I'm guessing it would be a great tow car and certainly deal with the hilly terrain in no uncertain terms. It's amazing how well the seats fit too. As for lowering the front suspension after the transplant, I had to physically heat one of the laminations at both ends then have it retempered to lower my coupe after removing the original cast iron 6 and fitting the alloy P76 V8. There simply wasn't enough adjustment in the system to lower the front of the car down to a reasonable height. It's good that you managed to save the car from the scrapper and have certainly produced an interesting and viable P5. |
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Post by Warwick on Oct 21, 2019 11:30:42 GMT
This might be helpful. Attachment DeletedAnd this. A list of vehicles with a 5x5" stud pattern. Austin-Healy 3000 BMC 1800 1964-1967 BMC 1800 1968 onwards Buick All (Except skylark ,Special ,Century ,Gran Sport) 1935-1975 Buick Electra 64-85 1964-1985 Buick Electra, LeSabre, Riviera, (most fullsize) 1935-1987 Buick LeSabre, Centurion, Riviera, Electra Buick Riviera 64-78 1964-1978 Cadillac Deville ,Fleetwood 1935-1959 & 1968-1985 Cadillac DeVille, Fleetwood 1938-1989 Cadillac SeVille 1977-1979 Chevrolet Belair ,Biscayne ,Caprice ,Impala ,Kingswood 1971-1976 Chevrolet Belair ,Biscayne ,Caprice ,Impala ,Kingswood with heavy duty package 1977-1986 Chevrolet 3/4 ton vans Chevrolet Astro Van 1985-1990 Chevrolet Bel Air HD SW 1977-1987 Chevrolet Biscayne SW 1977-1987 Chevrolet Blazer (full size 2 wheel drive) 71-86 1971-1986 Chevrolet Blazer 2WD 1971-1983 Chevrolet C-20, E-10 Truck 1971-1988 Chevrolet Caprice 1971-1976 Chevrolet Caprice SW 1977-1990 Chevrolet HD package wagons 1977-1989 Chevrolet Impala 1971-1976 Chevrolet Impala SW 1977-1987 Chrysler Imperial 1967-1975 Ford Custom 1973-1978 Ford Galaxie, Custom,LTD,XL,Truck&van 73-78 1973-1978 Ford LTD 1973-1975 Ford Thunderbird 1972-1976 GMC G-10, P-10 1971-1987 GMC G-100, G-1500 1971-1987 GMC G-20, G-2500 1971-1987 Jeep Grand Cherokee 1999 onwards Lincoln All (except Versailles) 1958-1969 & 1973-1979 Lincon Continental 1973-1979 Lincon Mark 1973-1979 Lincon Town Car 1973-1979 Mercury all 1955-1960 Mercury Cougar XR-7 1973-1977 Mercury Marquis 1973-1978 Mercury Meteor 1973-1978 Mercury Montclair 1973-1978 Mercury Monterey 1973-1978 Mercury Park Lane 1973-1978 Oldsmobile All (Except for Jetstar 88, F85, Cutlass, 442) 1948-1976 Oldsmobile all full size 1940-1987 Packard all 1951-1955 Pontiac All (Except for Firebird, Trans Am, GTO, Lemans, Tempest, Grand Prix) 1948-1976 Pontiac all full size 1940-1986 |
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Post by nz on Oct 21, 2019 20:10:04 GMT
Hi Owen. I initially went the Cherokee mag route. Well, they were free, as I'd paid the wrecker the grand sum of $50 for the entire Cherokee interior. Rims looked good, but there were problems. The rim offset was in too far. I had to take the top outer ball joint grease nipple out for clearance to mag wheel! That obv meant the offset was wrong, as evidenced by the narrow-tracked look. So Dodge Journey 17" mags fitted perfectly. Aesthetically, some loved them, some were ambivalent. $200 for 4 alloys. 17", so one didn't need high profile tires to end up at correct Rover diameter. They are 215/55R 17. To pass our tough initial roadworthy inspection, I had to replace the rear wheel studs with longer ones. The 'nice man' said there wasn't enough thread. Odd, as there's 6 threads 'purchase' front and rear, but he passed the original front studs. If I was concerned, I could have used chrome nuts with a longer reach, depth-wise, but I considered it fine. edit: NEVER take all doors off! What a job setting them all back on, and up. As any good Rover man should have known, each hinge is individually set up for each door. I learn, I learn. Paul. NZ. Attachment Deleted |
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Post by nz on Oct 21, 2019 20:35:26 GMT
Thanks Vince. 11 times in and out to install but. (Ditto the TD27 turbo i/cooled I put in my '64 Daimler, and ditto the Toyota 3L diesel I put in my VW camper. $2.20/litre gas. I sure could've done with the hoist I've recently installed, just in time to retire!) I toyed with slicing the top off the domed bump stops in Rover, to lower car even further, but common sense prevailed. I'd love to space the top balls back even further. Yep, she flies up any hill, and launches great. With the o/d and lockup activated, and with the 3.77 diff and o/d ratio of .67, the overall ratio is about 2.7:1. That hardly seems possible. I've been hesitant to see what she does top speed, but it's relentless. 'Officer, it's an old car with a diesel, waddyamean 160kph?' ***Warning, old git bleats about himself. It's been a helluva year for me, so cars took a back seat. So lucky I thrashed for 5 years prior, my cars to finish, as I fell over in March and broke my ankle, my fibula, and popped a tendon off. That's ok, I'm used to it, having had 15 operations over 40 years. But I then got an embolism/blood clot from the break, which went to my lungs. Pleurisy, pneumonia, blood clots. Hospital. h/d blood thinners. Then I got influenza A, so my poor lungs had a double hit. Recent heart monitoring machine, did poorly, but not as poorly as the lung machine lol. Sorry.... pauses over delete button..ahh. Back at work though. Paul.
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Post by enigmas on Oct 22, 2019 12:34:46 GMT
Congratulations Paul...pleased to note that you're still around on the planet after surviving that plethora of ailments and injuries. Sounds like a very tough year to get through!  |
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Post by nz on Oct 23, 2019 20:15:31 GMT
Thanks for that. Here's my new Rover. I bought it in from Japan. A free packet of Smarties to the person who can identify it. P Attachments:
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Post by harvey on Oct 23, 2019 22:04:26 GMT
I think I can identify it, I just can't spell it.
Mitsuoka.
That's as close as I'll get.
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Oct 24, 2019 8:20:03 GMT
Nissan Crew  |
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Post by nz on Oct 27, 2019 20:05:15 GMT
Address for Smarties please. Yep, you guys are both right. Registered as a '96 Nissan Crew Galue. Mitsuoka Galue 1. 2 litre Skyline running gear, but coil sprung solid rear end. Rear end looks very much like P5. Got a face only a mother could love, but it gets more looks than any of the 165 cars I've owned. Paul. NZ.
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Post by harvey on Oct 28, 2019 13:34:00 GMT
Address for Smarties please. Yep, you guys are both right. Thanks. As I'm feeling particularly benevolent you can donate my Smarties to a charity of your choice. (Remember, charity begins at home). |
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Post by richardlamsdale on Oct 28, 2019 18:04:41 GMT
Address for Smarties please. Yep, you guys are both right. Registered as a '96 Nissan Crew Galue. Mitsuoka Galue 1. 2 litre Skyline running gear, but coil sprung solid rear end. Rear end looks very much like P5. Got a face only a mother could love, but it gets more looks than any of the 165 cars I've owned. Paul. NZ. I find these Japanese models fascinating. It's easy to laugh at them, and most Mitsuoka's are massively ugly, but its really interesting that they find enough buyers to pay for these. It makes the Japanese market just that bit more interesting. I assume yours is an unofficial import? |
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Post by nz on Oct 29, 2019 23:30:46 GMT
Being over 20 years old, it was able to be imported. The later Mitsuoka Mark 2 is a handsome machine. Mine?... not so much, but in the right light it's passable. Better looking in the flesh as it were. Unlike me! But with its smooth engine and 4 speed auto, plus power rack, it does go nicely down t'road. It owes me maybe 6k. There's another just been brought in by a car sales. They're asking 29k.
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Post by spanner on Nov 11, 2019 19:29:49 GMT
Evenin all,
I wonder is the P5b a candidate for electric power steering?
Thanks in advance for any insights and advice.
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Post by nz on Nov 13, 2019 18:59:27 GMT
Hi. I fitted electric p/steer to a non-Rover vehicle I own. It's ok on that car, but the Rover issue of leaking p/steer boxes would remain. In an earlier post I suggested a return to a manual box. That would eliminate the leaking, but would have more turns lock to lock. Unfortunately an e/steer doesn't affect the old box ratio. Someone said the manual box would be light enough without assistance. My other P5 had a manual steering box, but wider tires. Still quite a heft for an aging bloke. Another way out is to look at a Toyota Hi-Ace power rack. I've measured one up, and believe it could work. Probably just as much work to fit as electric p/steer, given there's not a lot of room between steering wheel and Rover box for electric. My electric box is about 18" long. The manual box has more room, being about 4" 'shorter' than power steer box. Paul.
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Post by Jens Munk on Nov 14, 2019 7:32:09 GMT
Just for reference, which year and model of Toyota Hi-Ace did you check to find potentially adaptable?
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Post by nz on Nov 14, 2019 20:27:47 GMT
Hi. If that question was directed at me, it is a late '80s/mid-90's rack. But most Hi-Aces are pretty much similar. A tape measure is handy. I posted the dimensions on this site earlier. If you need them again, just ask. Some homework necessary to ensure correct pump pressure ie would the original V8 pump suffice. (I put a Jaguar power rack in my '64 Daimler, and used the Nissan pump that came with the engine swap.) Imagine the cachet of being the first to do the Rover swap!
Cheers. Paul. NZ.
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Post by 3litrekiwi on Apr 29, 2021 8:21:05 GMT
I posted on another thread that I had seen a P5b Coupe with a power rack at the annual NZ rally but this seems like a more appropriate place to continue the discussion.
The car is a very nice dark blue with a 3.9 liter engine and 4 speed auto fitted with SU carbs so looks quite original.
I have been in contact with the owner and he is sending me the documentation that he has about the work. I am hopeful of some drawings but will just have to wait and see. The mod was done several years ago.
The rack is from a Subaru and looked as if it had always been there. The company that did the job don't want to do another one so once I know who they are I will make contact and see how much more I can find out.
The rack is mounted on an additional tubular cross member that is fitted between the original sub frame mounts for the original steering box and steering idler. There is a bearing mount added to the fire wall to stiffen the steering column assembly, presumably as the column has a longer reach to the rack.
cheers
Martin
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