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Post by tmulchro on Dec 15, 2019 23:28:07 GMT
Hi All
My cherished P5B coupe has leaky front and rear windscreens - I tried resealing them but the repair didn’t last that long... my car is in great condition and I’m afraid that the leaks will rot the car...
I can’t do the work myself - so I’m looking for any help I can get here for a recommendation for someone you could replace the windscreen rubbers and chrome surrounds
I realize that it’s likely that rust will be found and I’m prepared to pay to get this addressed too as part of the job...
Any help or guidance appreciated - as I’d hate to see the rot set in...
Tony
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Post by Brendan69 on Dec 16, 2019 11:01:17 GMT
A very difficult decision to have to make is this job. Do you garage your car so its out of the wet most of the time??? If yes then TBH i would leave it and try and NOT wet wash the car and keep her as clean as you can and dry clean her as i do mine.
Thankfully i do not suffer from your issue so its a lot easier for me to say this but its down to you buddy.
Look for or enquire with your local windscreen repair guys to see if any of them are willing to undertake the job for you albeit i gather JRW wont sell you the rubbers unless you buy other bits from them too which i dont agree with.
Good luck
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Post by Eric R on Dec 16, 2019 16:26:32 GMT
This old thorn raises its head again! I have a contact Guildford area who did mine with gaskets sets I provided. Very expensive at £800 each front and rear but one of the precious few windscreen fitters prepared to take on this job, Message me if you would like his details.
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Post by Ken Nelson on Dec 16, 2019 17:55:37 GMT
A very difficult question indeed. Mine front and rear screens don't leak, but the rubber is in awful hardened condition. I am not prepared to try refitting new rubber, but attempted some hopefully preventative measures. I used liquid silicone sealer to run in all the open crevices and let dry. Then I used windshield sealant (non-hardening) over the top of the hardened rubber, and then vinyl tape on top to try and finish it off. It's not as nice up close as I'd like, and I wonder if anyone can add a better way to finish it off, or suggest a better alternative? I' afraid a replacement rubber installation might run the risk of actually introducing leaks or even a cracked screen, and the price appears frightful. Any suggestions out there?? |
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Post by Ken Nelson on Dec 16, 2019 17:56:37 GMT
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Post by Jens Munk on Dec 16, 2019 21:00:16 GMT
They are a pain to replace unlike most other cars of that age. I bought new seals from Scott's Old Auto Rubber down under ebay.us/Suk1Rj and ebay.us/25iTu3 . The window is held by metal clips held by screws and it needs additional non-hardening sealer which eventually turns into a mess before everything is properly aligned. The wind screen is done and not leaking anymore. The rear window have recently started to leak a little bit under extreme condition, so that's in line.
Jens.
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Post by enigmas on Dec 16, 2019 23:18:29 GMT
I can feel a dark grey cloud slowly descending over this issue.  Truly though guys its not that difficult a task. It can be messy and tedious due to the nature of both the windscreen fit and the copious amount of black gooey sealant required. I've fitted both front and rear screens (the front twice...years later for a new laminated screen) I used both of 'Scott's' seals as he's local to me as a supplier. As the cars were largely hand assembled nothing fits perfectly. The screens are held in place by clips so do not require the traditional 'cord around the seal' method, (which really is a 2 up task...did these on my ZB Magnette many times) More than anything the task requires patience, carefully remove the old trim and clips, then clean the seating area thoroughly. Once that's done centre the screen and proceed with the reverse process. It's not a race so take your time. New screens don't fit perfectly into the cavities...they need to be centred carefully. Whether this is due to body/windscreen aperture variations (Factory build), the new screen seals and/or new repro windscreens do require patience to fit...but that's about it. The black gooey windscreen sealant (not silicone) 'used copiously and applied with a cartridge gun' all around the sealing surfaces, is cleaned up with turpentine...so it won't hurt the paint. It 's truly just a messy task...not brain surgery, no-one is going to die.   |
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Dec 17, 2019 8:47:27 GMT
Well put Vince I think some guys think the screen rubber replacement is a black art  well it's not! all you need is patients! it does take time and a bit of effort, Woolies now do a DumDum replacement how good it is I don't know but it's got to be less messy than screen sealer I gave a friend help with his lovey black saloon last week we fitted both screens very messy  The thing I would advise anyone after fitting a few screens now is to have a "warm" workshop if the rubber gets cold it makes the job harder and when you have to pierce the rubber it risks tearing so my advice would be leave it until the weather is warm if your workshop/garage is cold If your coupe has a fine wire demister be very careful when cutting out the old rubber as you can cut the two connectors at the top of the screen! £800 per screen Eric  |
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Post by davewright on Dec 17, 2019 10:01:32 GMT
I am sure I have put this on the forum in the past but I have been told that there is someone at Autoglass in Salisbury who can do this. They need the car for a day. Being Autoglass you may be able to do it on your insurance.
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Post by Brendan69 on Dec 17, 2019 11:13:33 GMT
I am sure I have put this on the forum in the past but I have been told that there is someone at Autoglass in Salisbury who can do this. They need the car for a day. Being Autoglass you may be able to do it on your insurance. I wonder if its the same guy we used from there about 20 years ago when he came and did both screens for us in the 1961 Morris 1000 we were restoring at the time. An old skool fitter who knew exactly what he was doing and did a superb job too. All we did was keep him in tea and cake and the space heater on full to warm the hanger up. My mate still owns the car and its still concours as is the South African Ford Sierra XR6 we also did along side the Morris. He also did both screens in that too for us. |
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Post by roverp5b on Dec 17, 2019 11:57:57 GMT
Well put Vince I think some guys think the screen rubber replacement is a black art well it's not! all you need is patients! it does take time and a bit of effort, Woolies now do a DumDum replacement how good it is I don't know but it's got to be less messy than screen sealer I gave a friend help with his lovey black saloon last week we fitted both screens very messy The thing I would advise anyone after fitting a few screens now is to have a "warm" workshop if the rubber gets cold it makes the job harder and when you have to pierce the rubber it risks tearing so my advice would be leave it until the weather is warm if your workshop/garage is cold If your coupe has a fine wire demister be very careful when cutting out the old rubber as you can cut the two connectors at the top of the screen! £800 per screen Eric I agree with the above as I did mine in summer this year, I took the front screen out cleaned it and placed the new rubber around the screen in doors for a day whilst cleaning the old Dum Dum off the aperture. Try and buy some new clips before you start as I found a few of the originals beyond use. Good luck either way. |
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Dec 17, 2019 14:33:45 GMT
With all due respect fitting a Morris Minor or Ford screen any competent screen fitter can do even his apprentice |
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Post by Welsh Warlock on Dec 17, 2019 17:08:24 GMT
I agree with the above as I did mine in summer this year, I took the front screen out cleaned it and placed the new rubber around the screen in doors for a day whilst cleaning the old Dum Dum off the aperture. Try and buy some new clips before you start as I found a few of the originals beyond use. Good luck either way. I understand that some of the new clips may not be quite correct and I know of one, very knowledgeable person when it comes to P5s, who ended up throwing away the new clips when he realise they were the problem stopping him from fitting the trim. |
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Post by lagain on Dec 17, 2019 21:06:11 GMT
If the rubber has hardened and cracked re sealing is not an option, if it is OK perhaps the screen has been replaced at some time with a rubber that does not fit as well as an original. If it is possible to re seal I would not replace the rubbers.
About 15 years ago I had a really good go at mine. I used about 5 tubes of silicone bathroom sealent (with a 25 year guarantee !) and did the rubber and both sides of the stainless trim and it has not leaked since, even in the worst Scottish downpours on our annual trip.
You must make sure that both edges of the stainless steel trim are sealed as water can get in there as well - leading to water collecting in the boot. When I first had my car in 1975 water always collected in the boot, so I drilled a hole in the corner of the floor for it to run out !
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Post by Eric R on Dec 18, 2019 10:02:59 GMT
a certain provider of the clips will only supply them IF you buy a new rubber set from him/them.
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Post by Brendan69 on Dec 18, 2019 10:47:26 GMT
a certain provider of the clips will only supply them IF you buy a new rubber set from him/them. That will be JRW then Eric |
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Post by Brendan69 on Dec 18, 2019 10:49:04 GMT
With all due respect fitting a Morris Minor or Ford screen any competent screen fitter can do even his apprentice That's your opinion John which i respect albeit don't agree on. |
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Post by Eric R on Dec 18, 2019 12:49:24 GMT
I was careful NOT to identify the seller as I might still need parts in the future. This forum is becoming like a Twit account.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 14:13:56 GMT
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Post by Eric R on Dec 18, 2019 15:08:01 GMT
I was careful NOT to identify the seller as I might still need parts in the future. This forum is becoming like a Twit account. My P5 once had a grommet in the boot - probably for dusting out - but it had become useless and the hole in which it was located became rusty and i had to have a complete panel in place of it. |
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Post by Welsh Warlock on Dec 18, 2019 19:01:45 GMT
I was careful NOT to identify the seller as I might still need parts in the future. This forum is becoming like a Twit account. My P5 once had a grommet in the boot - probably for dusting out - but it had become useless and the hole in which it was located became rusty and i had to have a complete panel in place of it. +I thought the point of the grommet in the boot was to be able to check the air pressure in the spare without having to drop it down. |
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Post by bristol406 on Dec 18, 2019 21:52:06 GMT
£800 per screen is cheap compared to the quote I got for just replacing the rear screen rubber. There is no evidence of it leaking but it's badly cracked and will need replacing at some time. This is the email I got from a screen replacement company in Yorkshire:
"Hi, thank you for your enquiry, all the old rovers are extremely time consuming to remove and refit the screens. You will need a new set of clips and screws as well as the new rubber, we usually book the work out for 2 people for between 12-16 hours work @ £80 per hour so you would be looking at between £960+vat to £1280+vat. "
As a new owner I don't feel confident enough to tackle it myself so I'll wait till Summer and then reconsider the options.
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Dec 18, 2019 21:57:13 GMT
As a new owner I don't feel confident enough to tackle it myself so I'll wait till Summer and then reconsider the options.
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Post by Eric R on Dec 19, 2019 7:44:49 GMT
now that seems logical - I didn't think of that! I don't recall seeing a metal (wheel) tray as I could only see daylight! Was that another case of Rover over-engineering?
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Post by enigmas on Dec 19, 2019 10:12:49 GMT
£800 per screen is cheap compared to the quote I got for just replacing the rear screen rubber. There is no evidence of it leaking but it's badly cracked and will need replacing at some time. This is the email I got from a screen replacement company in Yorkshire: "Hi, thank you for your enquiry, all the old rovers are extremely time consuming to remove and refit the screens. You will need a new set of clips and screws as well as the new rubber, we usually book the work out for 2 people for between 12-16 hours work @ £80 per hour so you would be looking at between £960+vat to £1280+vat. " As a new owner I don't feel confident enough to tackle it myself so I'll wait till Summer and then reconsider the options.
There's definitely a cottage industry here for the taking. I'd do it for $45 AUD per hour (cash) as Im retired with a maximum fitting price (labour only) at $400 AUD (£206) per screen fitted. This obviously excludes repairs to corroded screen channels etc, which is another, separate task. Add materials, owner supplies these (new seal, clips if required, sealant, turpentine and sundries)...perhaps another $100 AUD apart from a 'new' seal and the jobs done. * Of course if the windscreen fitting company buys the new seal it'll be marked up again. Unfortunately I'm in OZ. I'd probably help you for free if I was local! This ain't brain surgery. * Someone's certainly 'living high on the hog' in the UK.  |
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well it's not! all you need is patients! it does take time and a bit of effort, Woolies now do a DumDum replacement how good it is I don't know but it's got to be less messy than screen sealer I gave a friend help with his lovey black saloon last week we fitted both screens very messy 
That sort of ££'s I wish I was 20 years younger!! 