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Post by richardjones on Apr 20, 2020 11:45:56 GMT
The drip tray under my P5 has been collecting transmission fluid for some time. I see that Castrol and Comma both do the spec recommended on previous forums but does anyone have any preferences. I see that 5ltrs of Comma can be obtained for c£22 on line.
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Apr 20, 2020 14:07:01 GMT
The drip tray under my P5 has been collecting transmission fluid for some time. I see that Castrol and Comma both do the spec recommended on previous forums but does anyone have any preferences. I see that 5ltrs of Comma can be obtained for c£22 on line. Richard it will depend on when your box was built you cant just put any old TQF in the box! if it's an old box as in hasn't been rebuilt Ford M2C-33G is the correct oil, if it's been rebuilt best ask the builder or the previous owner if there was one.
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Post by eightofthem (Andy) on Apr 20, 2020 18:14:39 GMT
Comma no longer make type F that meets M2C-33G requirements, unless you happen to find old stock in the can with a red label and red top, if it has a blue label and says " for older vehicles " then it does not meet the specification.
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Post by enigmas on Apr 20, 2020 21:32:01 GMT
If you have a Penrite stockist they will have a suitable ATF for an older UK built BW35 (not Dexron) * Not very scientific but if the trans case is layers deep with grime (it's probably been there forever so probably needs a type F fluid) if on the odd chance it has been rebuilt with upgraded friction materials and requires a Dexron type fluid then using a type F will only firm up the shifts...it certainly won't slip and all the 'hard' pieces ( geartrain, torringtons, thrust washers) won't know the difference. If you were going racing with a BW35/40 you'd use the type F product. Either way If still uncertain talk or email the techs at Penrite they're very helpful and will steer you in the right direction. Here www.penriteoil.com.au/products/atf-33-type-f-mineral
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Apr 21, 2020 8:11:42 GMT
I use Penrite Vince but in the UK they closed their depot/office and stockists are few where I used to get it from stopped selling the range of engine oils (in my case) and sell other classic oils which have no where near the ZDDP, I have never seen their Trans Fluid!!
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Post by enigmas on Apr 21, 2020 13:01:31 GMT
Truly John, I don't understand the logic in that....there's obviously a very large classic car market in the UK (considering the population size) and certainly no shortage of flat tappet engines in these cars. Penrite as a business formulates lubrication for vintage, veteran, classic cars, motorbikes and related machines. I really don't get! Has your club or a confederation of clubs ever tried approaching the company (formal letter to their head office in OZ) and coordinatining some type of deal. If a an outlet can't be setup then surely the Club at the very minimum should be able to organise a bulk purchase of specific lubricants and have it (literally) shipped over. The last option would obviously mean carefully costing the product to ensure expenses are covered and financial members get it at a reasonable price. Perhaps something like this would be worth putting to the membership. My commiserations John on the lubricant situation...anyway that's my 2 cents worth!
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Post by richardjones on Apr 21, 2020 14:22:34 GMT
Thanks John. The car has been in my family 40 years. The box is original, the engine was rebuilt 4 years ago but not gearbox. I've found this Comma product, is this OK do you think?
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Post by harvey on Apr 21, 2020 14:39:48 GMT
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Post by Sam Bee on Apr 21, 2020 19:00:00 GMT
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Post by richardjones on Apr 22, 2020 20:56:00 GMT
Thanks Harvey, I thought so, although my original post did ask if the Castrol equivalent was considered superior to Comma? It seems more expensive and not available in 5 ltrs containers. Attachment Deleted
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Post by eightofthem (Andy) on Apr 23, 2020 7:28:19 GMT
Thanks John. The car has been in my family 40 years. The box is original, the engine was rebuilt 4 years ago but not gearbox. I've found this Comma product, is this OK do you think? View AttachmentAs long as it arrives in that coloured can and not the blue labelled one.
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Apr 24, 2020 15:06:38 GMT
I've found this Comma product, is this OK do you think? Yes. I use that too in the DG box in the Mk2 Coupe and in the P5Bs for the last 28 years until I had the P5B BW35 rebuilt and upgraded last year and now I must use Dexron2 which is Comma AQM
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Post by lagain on Apr 24, 2020 19:56:17 GMT
Thanks Harvey, I thought so, although my original post did ask if the Castrol equivalent was considered superior to Comma? It seems more expensive and not available in 5 ltrs containers. View AttachmentThat is what I use and always have done. I keep enough in stock for a change just in case it gets difficult to get. My gearbox was 'done' about 25 years ago.
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Post by ray on May 3, 2020 7:18:31 GMT
I have been using comma Aqf for years. I've just run out and found the Wilco's are selling 5litre's for £19.99. I've just ordered two online it appears there is currently no delivery charge if not using PayPal? .. So I'll wait to see what arrives in 3to5 days?
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Post by ray on May 5, 2020 20:19:29 GMT
The two 5 litres arrived today. No charge for delivery... Less than £40 for the two, to my door. A good result 😁
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Post by Brendan69 on May 6, 2020 19:27:47 GMT
I think i will go with the RED Comma stuff too. I want to do the gearbox oil and filter on mine and fit my new heavy duty sump pan seal too as mine leaks slightly at the moment.
Just out of curiosity guys, how much fluid will a sump pan off and filter change need??? I did my Rolls Royce yesterday and it too only 4 litres of fluid with a new filter.
Regards,
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Post by eightofthem (Andy) on May 6, 2020 19:33:14 GMT
About 3-3/12 litres for a pan change.
Make sure pan surface is really flat and don't overtighten the bolts. Good practice to use some blue hylomar on the pan face to stick the gasket on with, DONT block the the two holes on the casing at the rear of the transmission. Two types of filter used as well.
Still like to know if the fluid came in the Red top can or the blue top can as I have been informed the red top is no longer avaialble.
Sorry didn't mean to " like " myself, pressed the wrong button !
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Post by tarnowl on May 7, 2020 9:10:06 GMT
I too am planning to change my gearbox sump filter. I note that you mentioned that there are two types of filter available. Are they completely different, indeed, what is the difference and which one is best? Perhaps I need to verify which one I have on mine. As my P5B Coupé was made in the last few days of manufacture, it could have anything on it!😏
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Post by eightofthem (Andy) on May 7, 2020 10:21:39 GMT
If you have a late model and it is the original transmission then it is likely you have the later type filter ( snorkel type ) or pistol grip type as they are sometimes called. Early models have the flat screen filter. They are NOT interchangeable even though they will fit as they are specific for the type of valve body they are fitted too. Serial data plate on the side of the transmission ( both colour and prefix code ) helps identify what it should have fitted, BUT if the transmission has been replaced or re worked at any time in the past then parts may have been swapped or interchanged. Only sure fire way is to drop the pan and have a look see, or order both types and return the one you don't need.
If the pan is off then a good opertunity is there to adjust and set the throttle valve cable too.
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Post by Brendan69 on May 7, 2020 18:07:32 GMT
Cheers Andy. The red top Comma fluid is readily available both on ebay and opie oils.
Regards,
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Post by eightofthem (Andy) on May 7, 2020 18:27:26 GMT
That's great news, I will start buying it and recommending it again then.
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Post by ray on May 7, 2020 18:40:36 GMT
Andy, The stuff I have been using (happily) and has just been delivered 'free of delivery charge' has a red cap, is called "Comma Automatic Transmission Fluid - AQF - Mineral" On the Comma site it states ... - Suitable for Borg-Warner automatic transmissions and torque converters.
Service Classification: Recommended by Comma for some automatic transmissions in older vehicles.
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Post by eightofthem (Andy) on May 8, 2020 9:03:28 GMT
Ray.
I too have been using comma for years ( happily ). I ordered a new batch and it arrived in a blue top and label on said can just stated " recommended for use in older vehicles " The type I used previously red top can stated clearly on it the FORD SPEC M2C-33G suitability.
The blue top that arrived did not, when I questioned this I was told the formula used no longer met the M2C-33G specification, hence the " recommended for use in older vehicles " on the label. This is why they also changed the colour, if they are now producing it again in the red top cans am I right to think that it clearly states the FORD SPEC M2C-33G on the label then?
If it does happy days I will order some today.
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Post by ray on May 8, 2020 19:32:42 GMT
Andy,
I haven't seen any Comma ATF with a blue cap? I can't even find such an image on the internet? I hadn't looked for the spec. on the can, as I was recommended it some years back and have been using it ever since. I have now looked and to my surprise there are no 'specification' or numbers on the can!
As I have it in my Auto box and power steering, and its been there for quite some miles, I am happy it is good to use. My car was bought in 1989 and the auto box is (as far as I know) still all original, so I was looking for the same spec. you mentioned as that always indicated the correct 'flavour' of ATF.
All I can say is the new two 5 litre cans are identical to my old one.
I hope that is of some help.
cheers Ray
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Post by eightofthem (Andy) on May 9, 2020 10:33:05 GMT
Cheers Ray. I may have caused some confusion. The caps are indeed all red, it was the actual label that was blue. I ordered this fluid ( not from this seller I might add ) but the picture of what I ordered is the same. ( red label ) www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Comma-AQF-Automatic-Transmission-Fluid-5-Litres/162767892678?hash=item25e5b8f0c6:g:kssAAOSwCJxZ8voCWhat was delivered to me was this fluid ( not from this seller I might add ) www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Comma-AQF-Automatic-Transmission-Fluid-Mineral-Oil-5-Litre-5L-ATF5L/302856898951?hash=item4683ad8987:g:CHEAAOSwxWxdUrMAas you can see both are AQF mineral. But the red label clearly states recommended for M2C-33G, whereas the blue label only states suitable for older vehicles. so, I enquired as to why this had been delivered instead of what I ordered and was told that comma no longer manufacture AQF mineral that meets FORD SPEC M2C-33G / F. I returned the product and purchased another brand elsewhere, as far as know the label both on blue and red label cans only state " for use in older vehicles " I am not condemning Comma fluids, but it is misleading to advertise one thing and then send something else, if you want a certain product and purchase it you expect that product, I did not get what I wanted so I shopped elsewhere. Just saying .....
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