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Post by thomashb on Oct 26, 2020 9:48:30 GMT
Hello, New owner of a P5B Coupe with some odd charging circuit behaviour.
Just recently in June, previous owner had the Lucas AC11 alternator rebuilt and a Bosch RE55 regulator installed where the Lucas 4TR used to be. Is this a common modification? I have searched the forum for mentions of the Bosch regulator but didn’t find anything.
The 3AW warning light relay is still present, as well as the Lucas 6RA relay.
Presently I am seeing only 12.1v at the battery at idle and under medium load I only see 12.8v. This is consistent when testing the voltage at the battery wire output of the alternator itself.
If we take the recent receipts from the auto electrician at face value, the alternator and regulator should both be performing fine.
I therefore have two questions for the brains trust:
1. Would a faulty 3AW or 6RA relay cause low voltage like this?
2. I am also unsure if the ignition light behaviour is normal. When I turn the key to the On position but do not crank and start the engine, the ignition light comes on for two or three seconds and then goes out if I don’t start the engine.
If I turn the key to the On position and immediately crank and start the engine, the light stays on throughout the cranking process and stays on a little longer after the engine fires up and goes out in the normal way once the revs have picked up and the alternator is spinning nice and fast. Under both scenarios, the voltage at the battery is the same.
Grateful for any answers to these questions you come up with or any advice you might have about removing the Lucas 3AW and 6RA altogether.
Cheers, Tom.
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Oct 26, 2020 9:57:47 GMT
The voltage is far too low need 13.8v at least to charge the battery and operate the 3AW. Can the Borsch reg be adjusted as the 4TR can be?
I have never heard of this mod - use the 4TR! The 6RA can be bypassed to check it operation. The 3AW is essential with the 11AC. Poor earths on the reg and 6RA can cause this
All these items are readily available new
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Post by Mike’S-a-loon on Oct 26, 2020 10:29:08 GMT
I seem to recall hearing years ago that with the battery in the boot there is a voltage drop in the long cable, therefore the regulator can’t actually measure the battery voltage properly. The suggestion at the time was to run a wire from the battery back to the regulator. Presumably though, this wire would also have a voltage drop, causing overcharging...
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Post by thomashb on Oct 26, 2020 11:00:20 GMT
The voltage is far too low need 13.8v at least to charge the battery and operate the 3AW. Can the Borsch reg be adjusted as the 4TR can be? I have never heard of this mod - use the 4TR! The 6RA can be bypassed to check it operation. The 3AW is essential with the 11AC. Poor earths on the reg and 6RA can cause this All these items are readily available new What about installing an internally regulated Lucas alternator instead? Is this a common modification?
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Oct 26, 2020 12:23:39 GMT
Yes - a modern alternator is a common upgrade - use SEARCH
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Oct 26, 2020 12:26:27 GMT
I seem to recall hearing years ago that with the battery in the boot there is a voltage drop in the long cable, therefore the regulator can’t actually measure the battery voltage properly. The suggestion at the time was to run a wire from the battery back to the regulator. Presumably though, this wire would also have a voltage drop, causing overcharging... Not really valid - some old alternators needed an extra light battery wire to give it kick start to charge. The existing set up is quite reliable if the output is adequate for any extra load imposed
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Post by lagain on Oct 26, 2020 17:08:43 GMT
Some years ago I had a problem with the 3AW blowing. I had recently fitted a 'new old stock' Lucas alternator. I took the alternator to an auto electrician in Hove. They told me that the Lucas AC11 can be fitted with 3 different Stators, which have different outputs. Mine had the wrong one in it and the output was too high and blowing the 3AW. They fitted the correct Stator for the P5b and it has been fine ever since. It could be that your output is too low but I would fit the 4TR first.
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Post by Roy of the Rovers on Nov 5, 2020 8:15:14 GMT
Some years ago I had a problem with the 3AW blowing. I had recently fitted a 'new old stock' Lucas alternator. I took the alternator to an auto electrician in Hove. They told me that the Lucas AC11 can be fitted with 3 different Stators, which have different outputs. Mine had the wrong one in it and the output was too high and blowing the 3AW. They fitted the correct Stator for the P5b and it has been fine ever since. It could be that your output is too low but I would fit the 4TR first. Interesting George. We had the same stock and mine has been ok.. I guess your car does much longer journeys compared to mine..
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Post by lagain on Nov 6, 2020 17:08:02 GMT
Some years ago I had a problem with the 3AW blowing. I had recently fitted a 'new old stock' Lucas alternator. I took the alternator to an auto electrician in Hove. They told me that the Lucas AC11 can be fitted with 3 different Stators, which have different outputs. Mine had the wrong one in it and the output was too high and blowing the 3AW. They fitted the correct Stator for the P5b and it has been fine ever since. It could be that your output is too low but I would fit the 4TR first. Interesting George. We had the same stock and mine has been ok.. I guess your car does much longer journeys compared to mine.. I had forgotten that, Roy, she got all the way to Scotland before the first one blew. It took a couple more before I had the alternator checked. Hopefully yours is OK.
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Nov 7, 2020 9:54:58 GMT
This 11ac mod is great If you do it right it keeps the original look 11AC Mod
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