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Post by neil183 on Aug 25, 2021 14:52:34 GMT
Hello everyone. I know this has been discussed before and after lots of research here and on the web I am now rather confused... My car (1969 P5B Coupe) is in for a total paint job and i supplied the body shop with what I thought was the correct paint codes (Bordeaux 030 4890 body and Silver Birch P030 4891 roof) but the roof colour is way off, metallic and very silvery (is that a word?) rather than the flat grey/white that it was. Unfortunately the whole car is now in primer so they cant scan the old colour any longer. :-( So my question is, is this the wrong code, or was it never actually Attachment Deletedsilver birch to begin with?? any help or pointers would be much appreciated. Many thanks Neil. |
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Post by Sam Bee on Aug 25, 2021 15:44:38 GMT
I recently had a paint job and came across the same problem. There are several versions of Silver Birch out there, including one for the later Rover models. I will check the code and supplier of mine as several senior members of the Club have seen it and approved. but not before Friday.
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Post by lagain on Aug 25, 2021 20:33:51 GMT
It should be a non metallic pale grey. Sam should be able to let you have the code.
I think that John said that Navistar Grey TSA NAV 8634 is a fairly good match.
The later silver birch metalic was used on Austin / Rover
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Aug 25, 2021 21:06:00 GMT
We had a 1968 Silver Birch saloon in 1995- 2001.
It had been recently restored in resprayed in it original Silver Birch 2 pack as was the only way to do at the time. It was extremely smart and glossy for a few years but when I came to repair dents and scratches that developed and rust breakthrough no standard Rover colour matched well enough. I ended up tinting it myself to match and even then it aged differently.
Rover certainly never used metallic as their antiquated paint system could not cope till the BLMC SD1 new paint shop and that failed disastrously
Optical matching was not available in the 1990s but it gives great results now but only if you have the original swatch to scan . Even then the paint will age differently and unless the whole car is resprayed then it will show up sooner than later
As mentioned Silver Birch name was used by quite a few car makes and they are all different
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Post by neil183 on Aug 26, 2021 11:26:55 GMT
Thank you all for the replies, sounds like im getting close and will wait for the definitive answer by the sounds of it from Sam.
Many thanks
Neil.
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Post by lagain on Aug 26, 2021 16:05:51 GMT
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Post by p5andrew on Aug 26, 2021 17:43:55 GMT
I would urge care with regard to Rover Group Silver Birch. This is likely to be one of the later colours with the same name, possibly the metallic you already have. Sam should come up with the correct colour code. If not, I have a small amount of cellulose somewhere and if I can find it (!!) could airbrush some on to a small piece of steel and send it to you. You could then get your local paint supplier to scan it. I feel sure, though, that somebody on here will know the correct paint code.
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Aug 27, 2021 11:20:54 GMT
Just forget the name Silver Birch and all the old codes as George says I had my roof scanned for the purpose of finding a modern substitute
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Post by Sam Bee on Aug 27, 2021 16:49:13 GMT
p5andrew I think is correct, it is the later Rover aka BL version, actually a light grey which is somewhat darker than the P5 colour
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Post by tonys on Aug 27, 2021 19:37:45 GMT
The following text, from Stanton Davies, has been copied/pasted from a 10-year old thread on here, although you might already have seen it.
"Why on earth haven't you done a search on "Paint Codes" Len? The answer was there waiting for you!
ICI colour codes for Silver Birch are (P030-4891) made up from, 89% White(P030-9901), 6% Reduced Yellow Oxide(P062-9911), 4% Black(P030-9929), 1% Reduced Permanent Green (P062-9905).
ICI codes for Admiralty Blue:-P030-6856,made up as follows- Indigo Blue 40%, Blue Lake,27%, Black 26%, White 7%. Base colour codes are-Indigo Bue-P030-9932, Blue Lake-P030-9930, Black-P030-9929, and White P030-9901.
Ault & Wiborg paint code for Zircon Blue is GL26955.
ICI code is P030-4508 made up as follows:- Permanent Blue P030-9904 41%, Permanent Green P030-9905 27%, White P030-9901 20%, and Black P030-9929 10%
All information courtesy of Tom -Clydebank."
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Post by Eric R on Aug 27, 2021 20:12:43 GMT
i think all those codes went out with the Ark and replaced with environment all friendly materials
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Aug 28, 2021 7:58:26 GMT
The mixing code as Eric says went out years ago that's why I had my roof scanned as a reference for those who need it  Navistar Grey TSA NAV 8634 |
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Post by Sam Bee on Aug 30, 2021 20:46:15 GMT
I checked the paint code for what I used,supplied by C&C Car Paints, Charlwood tel. 01293 862306. Rover 4891 Silver Birch.
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Post by neil183 on Aug 30, 2021 20:59:25 GMT
Ah, so do we think that this is the definitive and nearest to the original then?
Ill pass this on to the paint shop to do some spray outs.
Many thanks for all your help chaps, much appreciated!
Neil.
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Post by neil183 on Aug 30, 2021 21:02:44 GMT
Ive just realised that the 4891 code is the one I started with that came out metallic and very silverish, nothing like your photo which looks bang on! I am now totally confused...  |
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Post by Sam Bee on Aug 31, 2021 10:20:37 GMT
All I cab say is that several longstanding members have seen my car, including our chairman, and all think it correct. I am quoting the code off the tin the paint came in.
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Aug 31, 2021 20:37:20 GMT
If it looks right then it is!
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Post by neil183 on Sept 1, 2021 14:41:25 GMT
Absolutely it does. Im going to check with the body shop because the spray test they did looked more like gun metal and was metallic!  |
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