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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2006 17:15:32 GMT
hi phil, ive had the engine out again and done the oil seal. after id re fitted the engine i tried turning the engine with the crank handle to drain the torque convertor but its locked solid in all gears! the car rolls ok and the prop turns? we didnt do anything we didnt do the previous time and the box and engine went together easily enough with a little jiggleing. any ideas....
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Mar 26, 2006 18:07:37 GMT
Sorry you have more problems - the TC may have jammed the front pump due to misalignment. Did it all turn OK after you bolted the bellhousing back up again. Did it slide back together easily? I know this can happen with the BW35 boxes quite easily if they are forced together though I have not heard of this problem - it looks like its engine out again and hope its not damaged anything - believe you me I know how you must feel
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2006 18:38:19 GMT
whats the TC phil? what could be misaligned? it appeared to go together easily enough but did need wiggleing a bit. i didnt try to turn it before i refitted it will next time though!
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Mar 26, 2006 18:43:55 GMT
Torque Converter - did you remove the starter motor?. It may have jammed in the pinion
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2006 18:58:33 GMT
no i left starter on,it crossed my mind it could be that. if its the starter could i take it off now to un jam it?
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Mar 26, 2006 19:14:10 GMT
Its worth trying - the motor is only held on with two bolts
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2006 7:59:19 GMT
well its not the starter !
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Mar 27, 2006 9:04:21 GMT
It looks like it is a misaligned torque converter then which is surprising if it slid together fully.
Was the engine tilted too much so that one or more cylinders are hydraulically locked - try removing the plugs
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2006 11:00:42 GMT
maybe phil,,what is "hydraulically locked" and how does that occur?
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Mar 27, 2006 11:27:32 GMT
Water/oil becomes trapped in a cylinder if engine is tilted the wrong way - unlikely but its easy to check
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2006 14:33:45 GMT
took the plugs out phil,no oil i can see and the engines still locked
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Mar 27, 2006 16:44:03 GMT
Looks like all out again - check the TC tongues and splines are not broken/bent
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2006 17:10:40 GMT
guessed it would be! are the TCs available still if i need one ?how much?
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Mar 27, 2006 17:47:42 GMT
You will need to find a good secondhand one - try David Green if yours is damaged - hopefully the oil pump and/or output shaft on the box will be oK
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2006 18:36:34 GMT
cheers phil. what exactly could i have damaged and how? as i say we didnt force anything or do anything different than last time i know it would be a coincidence but could it be a seperate problem
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Mar 27, 2006 19:46:48 GMT
As I mentioned before on the BW35 its is possible to jam the tongues in the TC into the splines on the output shafte so as to lock everything up. This does take some force though - are you sure removing the old and fitting the new seal did not some how lock up the front pump?. Other than pulling everything apart to check all this I cannot see what else it could be unless some how a wrong length fixing bolt is jaming the flywheel some where. Were any removed? Surely someone else out there has some other ideas?
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Post by Smallfry on Mar 27, 2006 23:16:23 GMT
Unless something has been left in the bellhousing, I cant see what else it could be either. Did you let the box butt up to the engine on its own, or did you pull it on with the bolts ?
Most likely the TC or the pump it slots into is damaged..........not good !
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2006 18:21:16 GMT
the only bolts that may have caused a problem are the engine mounting ones and ive taken them out ,but no change. we didnt force box on just wiggled and slid it on... still looks like its engine out again! cheers matt
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Mar 28, 2006 18:29:46 GMT
It will be interesting (for us!) to find out what it is - its very strange that it slid on easily. Errant bolt dropped in bell-housing jamming flywheel?
You could try just unbolting bellhousing in situ to allow the gear box to move backslightly (if this is possible) though if it will not go BACK AGAIN this may cause difficulty in hoisting out
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Post by Keith - Portsmouth on Mar 28, 2006 22:23:32 GMT
are the TCs available still if i need one ?how much? Last summer I bought a newly reconditioned torque converter from my local auto transmission rebuilder - www.expressgearbox.co.uk/They in turn sourced it from - www.automaticchoice.com/index.htmlIt cost £100 +vat and was exchange only - could not buy outright (why would I want to?) because I was told that they are now finding it difficult to get TCs suitable for reconditioning.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2006 19:35:51 GMT
cheers all, will be taking engine out again next weekend all being well. cant understand how the engine is locked but the car rolls and prop shaft turns even though its attached to the box (flywheel not moving) ??
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Apr 1, 2006 19:39:31 GMT
Good luck - we await your report.
Removed mine today as well
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Apr 2, 2006 14:58:12 GMT
So you are cutting your losses and selling?
Shame better the devil you know - a non-runner will never realise its true value even without its plate.
When did the MOT run out?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2006 19:05:58 GMT
hi phil,dont think im going to sell it now,keep looking out of the window at it and dont want it to go so ill probably take the engine out again weekend and see whats damaged! on a brighter note i picked up my first P4 today thats motd so i can run around in that for a while,its a 1953 75.needs tidying but seems ok.are there any good web sites you know of for these? you have one i believe . whats the free wheel button all about?
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Apr 4, 2006 20:32:34 GMT
I look after my father in laws 100 - he bought it when he retired 12 years ago because I refused to service any "modern" cars It has an overdrive I have a 1938 16 which has the Freewheel There is a Yahoo group and the P4DG site The freewheel allows engine overun to save fuel and is very useful so long as the engine is not pulling as you change gear up or down without using the clutch (apart from starting & stopping). No engine braking which if your brakes are set up properly should be no problem - the rears are the same as the P5's as are a lot of parts except the threads will be BSF and not UNF. Note never greae your kingpins only thick gearbox oil injected in Glad you are keeping the P5 ;D autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/roverp4club/?yguid=253686350www.roverp4dg.org.uk
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