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Post by wrecker on Jan 17, 2005 21:29:23 GMT
Hi Chaps
I wonder if you could help me, I have a Mk3 3ltr and I would like to fit an alternator, but as you know the power steering pump is mounted on the back of the dynamo. Has anybody done this conversion, if so have you got any pics or advice?
Cheers
Adam
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Jan 17, 2005 22:22:53 GMT
I have seen P4's which use the same engine converted to power steering using a ZF pump mounted just under the dynamo position but as this retained the dynamo which is much slimmer than an alternator I am not sure whether there would be room for both. Mounting the pump on the other side of the engine like on the V8's does not seem feasible either  |
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Post by wrecker on Jan 17, 2005 23:02:09 GMT
I did wonder about that myself, I obtained a V8 power steering pump, but cam to the same conclusion. I considered using an alternator from a Jap diesel 4x4 as some of them have a vacuum pump mounted to the rear, it may be possible to attach the pump with a piece of skillful bodging. I also considered removing the coil from the front of the manifold, taking the water pump tensioner off and mounting the pump in that position but I'm a bit concerned about the height of the resovour in relation to the pump, there seems to be about 8" height from the pump to the resovour, obviously mounting the pump that high up it wouldn't have the same head pressure as it would be almost level.
Any thoughts anyone?
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Jan 18, 2005 19:40:45 GMT
The pump cam operate in excess of 1000lbs per sq in so a few inches of "head" ought not to make any difference.
I do actually find the dynamo on my Coupe quite adequate even in winter so perhaps you need to overhaul it?
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Post by wrecker on Jan 18, 2005 20:34:12 GMT
Perhaps I should come clean, I've always desperately wanted a Rover P5 3 ltr, I think the IOE engine is wonderful personally, but because of the nature of my hobbies I had to have a Landrover with a 2.6 IOE engine which is grossly underpowered and becoming a bit sick in her old age and then I had the chance of a 3 ltr engine which had only done 45k miles. ;D As usual the engine was good but the car was bad, so a saved the engine which I am now beginning to overhaul and retrofit into the old Series 3. I know some of you think this is a terrible syn but I can't afford to run two classics at the moment, but hopefully later this year I'll join the club and buy myself a nice project and drive you all up the wall with bl**dy stupid questions!  At the moment I have alternator electrics and as my vehicle is a recovery truck I need the large alternator and power steering so please don't feel that I've wrecked a British classic, I've saved some of it and to be honest, if I was offered another one I would have it and put it in a test bed so I can run it up and listern to that lovely burble. ;D Many thanks, I hope you don't feel I'm not worthy to post on this site.  |
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Jan 18, 2005 21:33:32 GMT
Well actually we've got a 1958 S11 with the 2.25l 4 cyl engine (and alternator).
its surprsing how many Land Rover bits fit P5's but then most of the Land Rover bits came from P2's and P3's.
Anyway we cater for all tastes in this club not just concours cars and the so called original's.
Anyway you do not need power steering on a Land Rover so an alternator can be fitted.
I have seen electric pumps used as well
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Post by wrecker on Jan 18, 2005 22:53:04 GMT
Yes I do I've got a bad back  , power steering would a great help. Tell me more about electric power steering pumps I like your forum I'm glad you cater for all tastes.  |
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Jan 19, 2005 19:57:07 GMT
:)I 've got a bad back thats why I drive P5 autos - the driving position of a Land-Rover also suits it if not too far as the clutch becomes a problem
Some modern cars use electric pumps to save weight and space. I do not know which do as I do not bother with cars under 33 years.
Its just a matter of finding one from a breakers that will have suffcient power and capacity to serve the Hydrasteer unit.
Its should then be easy to plumb it in.
I suggest a tour of breakers yards and some trial and error although you will have to have hydraulic pipes made up at a specialist.
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Post by wrecker on Jan 20, 2005 21:43:32 GMT
Yes I must admit the P5 my engine came from was very comfortable for me to sit in and an auto would be perfect but have you considered using a remote servo unit between the master and slave on the clutch of your Landrover to make it a bit easier to drive. Personally the only time I use the clutch is when I'm starting and stopping, if you get the revs right she slips between the gears easily, as for the electric power steering pump I think that will be a last resort.
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Jan 20, 2005 22:17:17 GMT
It does sound a good idea to use a remote servo on the clutch - never thought about that. I suppose the Lockhead 5" would be suitable and these are readily available.
I have not tried the clutchless changes - I do so with my P2 but that has the Rover Freewheel. I never used the clutch in these circumstances on motor bikes either - its funny how you can forget about these things. The lack of synchromesh on 1 & 2 may be difficult.
I still do not find the SWB Land Rover steering heavy but then I have just rebuilt the swivels etc. The IOE six is however very heavy engine and even P4s' with it do have heavy steering at parking. I suppose it will also make big a difference on a LWB Land Rover.
You will just have to put a V8 in.
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Post by wrecker on Jan 20, 2005 22:51:56 GMT
You will just have to put a V8 in. No way will I put a V8 in the landrover.  |
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Post by wrecker on Jul 27, 2005 23:10:32 GMT
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Jul 28, 2005 18:25:57 GMT
Sounds interesting but cannot open pictures?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2005 21:44:37 GMT
:DLooks good - how does it perform? ???I may well consider your arrangement if I convert my Coupe from Dyno to alternator. BTW - on P4/P5's the oil filler is acts as breather |
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Post by wrecker on Jul 28, 2005 21:48:34 GMT
The link should work for you mate. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2005 21:54:02 GMT
It does and your forum is worthy of further investigation
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Jul 28, 2005 22:00:33 GMT
Now OK and looks interesting
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, power steering would a great help. Tell me more about electric power steering pumps 
