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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2007 9:57:02 GMT
How many Mk1 3-litre`s left? The reason I`m asking is because my dad has a 1959 3-litre and I`m wondering how many other early cars are still about, either as restoration projects or on-the-road. my dad`s car has been off the road for about 15 years and has had the engine rebuilt, all he`s got to do now is sort the bodywork out.
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Post by Phil Nottingham on May 14, 2007 16:12:55 GMT
Do not know actual number but 3 litres of any age are much rarer that V8's - very early ones particularly so.
They were and still are unloved cars - V8's for some unknown reason have the edge - I prefer the 3 litres and one day theri rarety will nmake them valuable so keep it and restore and use it!
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2007 21:12:57 GMT
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Post by Phil Nottingham on May 14, 2007 21:20:19 GMT
There was a very early MK2a Coupe at the P4DG National yesterday - not sure how old though
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2007 21:53:44 GMT
john from weymouth told me it could be the oldest the chassic no is74000074a and is reg on 9 may 1963
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2007 21:54:38 GMT
reg is 4797ru got that wrong
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2007 15:19:06 GMT
the chassic no is74000074a without my paperwork, I will hazard a guess that yours is automatic as my first P5 (strictly speaking, my Dad's first P5 ) was 73500016A, a Steel Blue, manual RHD Coupe. Thus it was the 16th off the line,as the RHD manual coupe's started at 73500001A according to the workshop manual! Supplied to Moores of Brighton (as their demonstrator?) it was sold to a chap in Roehampton, then crashed fairly heavily as the N/S Door frame never lined up. Dad bought it in March '67 and ran it for 6 years as a towcar and for best, it succumbed to my amatuer attempts at restoration in the late 70's/early 80's. It was broken up (not before time, it was heavily rotten!) in the mid 90's and survives Frankenstein like, in about half a dozen others, so far... because my dad has a 1959 3-litre Regarding MK1's (and even 1A's), you very rarely see them nowadays, E-Bay has had a few but mostly destined for the banger track. MKII's and MK III's are more plentiful, but a MK1 would be very worthwhile keeping, not least as they are more significant, heritage wise than, for example the MKIII. Presumably your dad's has the disc front brakes and vents above the windows instead of quarter lights? If it's got drum front brakes it's VERY early, and needs to be looked after. In the right circumstances, I'd buy it!
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Post by Phil Nottingham on May 29, 2007 16:06:46 GMT
If its a drum braked one it will be very rare as most of these were converted as teh brakes were so awful!
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Post by dorsetflyer on May 29, 2007 16:19:58 GMT
Marks' and my 3 litre coupe are both Auto's and we know only 180 were produced in 1963. The manual version was more plentiful in that year, although production didn't start until January 1963.
What is more interesting is the fact that my chassis number is 348A and that comes out of the 1964 chassis numbers. However mine was first registered in November 1963. so they were in fact using numbers for 1964 back in 1963.
As it's the 50th Anniversary next year of the P5 3 litre it will be interesting to see what turns up at the National being held at Brooklands.
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Post by Keith - Portsmouth on May 29, 2007 16:37:05 GMT
What is more interesting is the fact that my chassis number is 348A and that comes out of the 1964 chassis numbers. However mine was first registered in November 1963. so they were in fact using numbers for 1964 back in 1963. That is perhaps understandable John. Back in those days (and maybe now?) manufacturers would start producing (say) a 64 model in Sept 1963... the concept of 'model-year'. James Taylor's book consistently uses the term 'model-year'.
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Post by Phil Nottingham on May 29, 2007 16:52:42 GMT
This strange cut-off date also corresponded with the old August (being at the beginning) Bank holiday annual shut down of virtually every manufacturing industry in the UK and Empire.
It was also important to have the next years models to display at the annual Earls Court motor show which enthusiasts (me included) flocked every year in October to view the latest offerings both hardware and other!
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Post by dorsetflyer on May 29, 2007 18:56:34 GMT
Of course, I had forgotten all about the annual holiday closures in August, and once production started again the pressure was on to get the cars ready for the Earls Court Motor Show on October, which would explain the unusual circumstances. My first visit to the Motor Show was in 1949 at the age of ten. The joy of seeing the Austin A90 Atlantic and getting a brochure too. I used to come home laden with catalogues to put away. I wish now I had kept them, there must have been a good eight years worth. In those days you could travel around at an early age as there was nothing really to harm you.
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Post by mark21 on Oct 8, 2007 17:32:48 GMT
hi there i have a1960 p5 mk1 auto reg 6485pe i have respray the body in white (not a rover colour) & has p5b buckskin interior (due to i can't find a good 3ltr one) off the road but 95% done will be done for next year smmer,i saved it from a banger racing boyz complete rust bucket won't be mint but will be in good condition i will impove over the next few years when i get time thanks mark
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Post by mark21 on Oct 8, 2007 17:37:57 GMT
p.s i have disc brakes on front and the aero screens fitted to mk1 only (top of the side windows) i have coverted to power steering (not to hard work to turn the car) thanks mark
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Oct 8, 2007 18:57:39 GMT
Well done - join the club and find out more!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2007 15:49:35 GMT
1960 MkI here in Vermont. LHD with 4 speed transmission and overdrive, Mason's black with red interior. Hopefully it should be back out of the barn next year. Also have a 1962 LHD and a 1963 LHD and a 1964 LHD, which is rumoured to have been the Rover presentation at New York's 1964 car show. Those three are all autoboxes.The MkI and the '62 both run and drive and the '63 might one day, but the '64 was 't-boned' (broadsided) by a truck around 40 years ago. Having said that, I guess I'm into preserving 3 Litres as well. Just joined here this morning- I hope to learn some and share what I can.
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Nov 10, 2007 18:19:41 GMT
Welcome to the Forum - we look forward to heraing more about you and your cars
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Post by Eric R on Sept 3, 2008 11:33:35 GMT
658 XUL Rover P5 Mk1 6-cyl Straight launched Motor Show October 1958 production commenced January 1959 built 22nd June 1959 line label 1113 total built 20,963 between 1958-1961 chassis 625901044 - engine 625900542 Rush Green over Shadow Green dealer: Henly Motors London NW1 priced £1,258 + purchase tax £525 5s 10d £1,783 5s 10d (£30,315 RPI today) imported from Sardinia Italy September 2007 showing 63,564 miles Hope to be at Brooklands 14th September.
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Sept 10, 2008 22:20:17 GMT
I consider this to be oldest 3 litre P5 on the road if not in existence - just look at the 100's of differences to even slightly later 3 Litres - not as early as I earlier thought (at number 144) but still old. No wonder its has survived despite Rovers creditable but futile attempt at undersealing as most cars of that time were often barely primed underneath
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2008 7:16:36 GMT
Hi I owned a mk I -59, manufactured 15/5 1959, car no: 625900085, still with front drum brakes. The car was sold new in Sweden to a dentist named Clifford Rehn in the city of Sölvesborg in the south of Sweden 1959. I sold the car to a German then living in Sweden 16 months ago. I can se that my buyer now have taken the car to germany and it is for sale on www.mobile.de. I know the manufacturing date because I had a Heritage certificate. The color is smoke grey with red trim. I believe that the car is in good running order (it was when i sold it). Regards Lars
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2008 8:23:24 GMT
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Post by Warwick on Sept 11, 2008 10:17:02 GMT
Nice car Lars.
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Post by PatMcCoy on Sept 11, 2008 11:09:00 GMT
Nice
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2008 16:40:26 GMT
I have a Black Mk1 registered in September 1959, it still has drum brtakes on the front, somebody has tried to steal the Rover badge on the back - anybody got a spare?
Baden Gooch ( baden@waitrose.com)
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Sept 23, 2008 20:31:41 GMT
A drum brake car is indeed rare as most were converted - bad luck about the badge - they too are rare. Keep a look out on Ebay
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