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Post by roedmose on Apr 13, 2005 18:28:54 GMT
Hi All ! I have this Coupe I recently bought and MoT'ed here in Denmark, see roedmose.tripod.com/roverp5b/albumindex1.htmlAt the moment I am in the phase of finding problems to be fixed before the summer trips. First thing I wanted to check was to try to estimate whether the engine is the original one. According to the manual the number should be at the left side, rear of the rocker cover. However I see no number at this location. I also have a P6B and here I can see the number at the indicated place, but where can it be at my P5B ? I can also see a very crude homemade blanking off at a hose outlet between the carbs. See the arrow marked "1" on the second last picture! What is this outlet for ? Again on my P6B this outlet is not there, so this might be a "wrong" engine ?? The last thing I found was a tube coming right up at the rear left side of the engine that just stoppes in the open air. I can't make a photo of it, as it is so far down that it is out of sigth. However I wondered if it is a vent-tupe for the crankcase, that should be conected to the inlet for the airfilter, perhaps at the blanking indicated by the arrow marked "2" at the last photo. Again, again on my P6B this tube and blanking is not present. I cant find answers in my books, so any help from anyone ??
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Apr 13, 2005 19:04:07 GMT
Nice pics The pipework is for the AED - obviously has been converted to manual choke (cold start) which is far more reliable. This suggests the engine is contempory to the car. The number should be at the back of the engines but later ones were near the front LHS just under the rocker cover
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Post by roedmose on Apr 13, 2005 19:55:27 GMT
Tx Phil !
Oohhh - the AED. Yes, it has been converted to manual. What do other people nomally use for blanking that exit off ? I would not mind it looked a bit more classfull !
I went over and looked at the front LHS but found no number ! Should it be direct above the fuel-pump ??
Anyone for an explanation on the last tube I mentioned ??
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Post by richard eglinton on Apr 13, 2005 20:44:30 GMT
I can help you with this Item 2 should be open and connected by a flexible hose of suitable size to the strange pipe mentioned at the back of the engine.This forms part of the important suction from the inlet manifold which keeps the crankcase pressure negative.If the crankcase pressure is negative this will reduce or stop any oil leaks from the crankshaft oil seal.It should not be blanked off. I fitted a manual choke conversion some years ago and the plug in the inlet manifold looks like the one supplied in the kit but I am mystified by the jubilee clip Nice photos of your car Richard
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Post by Allan NZ P5b on Apr 13, 2005 21:27:12 GMT
To tidy up the blanked off connection for the AED on the Air inlet. Your picture No 1. I just found a left hand side casting from another car and used this they now are symetrical with a nice cast bump.
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Apr 13, 2005 21:34:27 GMT
???I have three different V8 engines - I will examine each one and take a picture of the engine number location
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Post by roedmose on Apr 14, 2005 6:44:55 GMT
Tx for the answers. I will look forward to finding the number eventually with your help, Phill. To clarify the answer form you, Richard : You mean that the blanking plug seen at arrow marked 2, might be from the conversion kit, but wrongly installed at this location, where it should have been at the position marked 1 instead of that silly rubber piece ? And then a new flex hose from the reopened connection marked 2 to the tube behind the car to re-install the crankcase ventilation ? This all makes sense, but will also indicate that a former owner might have made more silly mistakes on the car, so I better look this one over carefully. By the way : the reserve fuel handle is not connected. I assume that the fuel tap is in the engine bay at the scuttle ? I expect to find a seized tap there; shall I leave it out of order or is it worth while trying to correct this issue or is it best to wait a couple of years as I expect to uninstall the engine to get the engine bay cleaned and painted. Any 2 cent of opinions ? At the moment I am trying to get a overview over the condition as to we (wife and I and 3 kids) plan to take a trip to Wales in the car this summer. But if it proves unreliable I will have to take the Kia to Norway - again
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Post by p5tgc on Apr 14, 2005 9:56:55 GMT
The air circuit that fed the original AED has nothing to do with the crankcase ventilation system.
Air was drawn from the air cleaner elbow, down the back of the engine and into a heat exchanger box on the exhaust manifold, then up the metal pipe by the dipstick and via flexible connections into the AED and then onto the "doghouse" between the carbs.
Crankcase ventilation is via the breathers on the rocker covers and through the outlet on the rear of the inlet manifold, via the "fuel filter" and into the back of the air cleaner via a small bore rubber pipe.
The fuel reserve tap should be under the car, under the rear seat. It should have two pipes running into it from the tamk, with one running forward to the engine bay. A replacement item is on Ebay right now!
regards
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Post by RichardF on Apr 14, 2005 14:41:36 GMT
I too have the same engine questions as roedmose. The open ended tube coming up from the bottom area on the rear left hand side of the engine. Additionally, I cannot find the engine number but with advice from others on this thread will look elsewhere on it this weekend. Coincidentally, my engine also has a manual choke. One thing that has given me a clue to thinking it's not an original configured engine, is that the base of the carbs do not have the mixture adjustment. I don't mind this so much, just want to identify the engine for maintenence.
RichardF Hampshire
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Apr 14, 2005 18:27:24 GMT
Actually the reserve fuel tap if its still there is on the subframe under the front seats approx
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Post by roedmose on Apr 14, 2005 18:43:30 GMT
Thanks Phil ! I found the tap - it's still there and surprisingly enough I could operate it with a fingertip. So I will check the cable in short term future.
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Apr 14, 2005 19:07:31 GMT
Check that its not resting in mid position as this causes mysterious fuel starvation
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Apr 14, 2005 19:11:58 GMT
???The mixture adjusting hexagons have to be there if you have standard carb set up with or without AED - the later ones and export versions may have anti-tamper devices which are esaily bypassed
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Apr 17, 2005 21:17:06 GMT
;DI have some pics but have not yet got round to working out how to post them on here.
If you e-mail me I will send them
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Post by roedmose on Apr 18, 2005 19:47:27 GMT
I received the pictures from Phil and found the number. It is at the back, left hand side. My engine is number 84011657 C and this could be the original one still fitted. Thanks for the help !
Frank
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Post by RichardF on Apr 22, 2005 10:27:21 GMT
Does anyone know where I could look up a list of Rover V8 engine numbers. I feel sure my P5b does not have the original engine (number halfway along the left bank) and I would like to know what car type it's from for spares ordering, maintenance, etc.
Thanks
RichardF
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Post by Neddy on Apr 22, 2005 15:16:41 GMT
Try James Taylors book on Rover P5, there is a build data section in the rear
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Post by Neddy on Apr 22, 2005 15:20:38 GMT
Try James Taylors book on Rover P5, there is a build data section in the rear Rover P5 & P5B Complete Story by James Taylor Copies on sale on ebay today!
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Post by RichardF on Apr 22, 2005 18:32:46 GMT
Many thanks Neddy. This book does keep popping up regularly, so I'm going to invest in a copy.
Thanks again
RichardF
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Apr 22, 2005 18:59:34 GMT
;DHighly recommended and a must for any P5 Rover nutter
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Post by Smallfry on Apr 22, 2005 22:58:09 GMT
Richard, If your engine number is on the cylinder head face halfway along the top of the block, it is a 1976 or later engine.....or block.
Let me know your engine number and I will tell you what it was originally fitted to, and when (approximately) it was made.
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Post by RichardF on Apr 25, 2005 16:27:55 GMT
Hi Smallfry,
Apologies for the delay in responding. My engine number is halfway along the left hand head and it reads: 48106547C CR is 10.5:1
Coincidently, I have a spare engine (& ZF Auto box) which reads from the same position: 26G00788B CR 8.13:1
Many thanks for the offer of assistance
RichardF
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Post by Smallfry on Apr 25, 2005 17:17:35 GMT
Hi Richard
Your engine was originally fitted to a Rover P6 3500S with manual transmission, and was made in 1971 or 2.
Are you sure about the other engine number ? If its definately a 26G, it would have been for a Land Rover 90 or 110, but the build number doesn't tie up.
Are you sure it isnt 26A ? That would make more sense, then it would be from an automatic SD1 made in 1985.
However, it would not have had the ZF gearbox fitted in its original home.
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Post by RichardF on Apr 25, 2005 17:34:47 GMT
Hi Smallfry,
Many thanks for the info ref my P5b engine; it'll cerainly assist in maintenance and spares etc. As for the spare engine, it definiteley says 26G00788B. Further homework on my part tells me that it was out of an ambulance (don't know the make) but suggests that it is a hybrid for small quantity orders perhaps.
Thanks again
RichardF
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Post by RichardF on May 1, 2005 15:15:44 GMT
Well, I got my copy of James taylor's book on the P5 & P5b. Makes very interesting reading. However, I cannot find any reference to engine numbers in it at all. Or am I being a bit thick here?
RichardF
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