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Post by DanielSheard on May 26, 2006 15:00:45 GMT
The explanation that Keith has put forward has certainly been reported as if it were a fact in the Classic car mgazines - probably Practical Classics. I have read it on more than one occasion.
Doesn't prove it, though.
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Post by RichardF on May 26, 2006 15:01:32 GMT
In connection to my response above regarding road fund licence payment exemption, I thought it best to print the whole quote from the DVLA web page, for the benefit of some, that there are certain caveats to the exemption: Quote: "Old Vehicles – vehicles constructed before 1st January 1973 that are not used for hire or reward or in connection with a trade or business". Unquote.
The latter part of the exemption may come as a surprise to some, as it did me.
Richard Southampton
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Post by Phil Nottingham on May 26, 2006 16:20:56 GMT
Mine was registered 17 Jan 73 but until the previous owner got the heritage certificate proving it was manufactured in December just before the holiday closedown? they would not allow tax exemption.
It was fortunately
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Post by V8 on May 26, 2006 19:32:21 GMT
The cut off date to get tax exemption is that the vehicle must have been MANUFACTURED, on or before December 31st 1972. Any vehicle registered from the 1st January 1973 onwards is only exempt if the previous criteria is met. It is quite easy to say this dorsetflyer, as there are so many websites and official publications which theoretically mean you are right- because I for one can't find anything official relating to the cut-off date of the 7th January to prove this. However, the rule as I had been informed has obviously been told to and noted by others (not many though!), and furthermore, this information was told (although it would seem not puplicised) categorically by the DVLA itself- that vehicles would comply for historic tax status if their vehicle was first registered on or before 7th January 1973.Therefore, if the DVLA has told us both of these rules, then one of them must be wrong- unless the 7th January date was some sort of leeway. I would, however, like to know for sure what definitive rule is used by the DVLA in judging historic tax status, because nobody here (unless you work for the DVLA then please enlighten us) can disprove what I have said.
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Post by Keith - Portsmouth on May 27, 2006 0:24:09 GMT
I would, however, like to know for sure what definitive rule is used by the DVLA in judging historic tax status, because nobody here (unless you work for the DVLA then please enlighten us) can disprove what I have said. V8, if you need a definitive answer, obviously the only place you will get one is from the DVLA. Click here.Please let us know the outcome.
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Post by Phil Nottingham on May 27, 2006 8:10:44 GMT
The problem with the DVLA as with any civil service based organsiation these days is that they often give out wrong info. If its to your advantage all well and good but if not persistence often wins!
Any definitive ruling is often reversed in my experience and its no good saying that it was the case!
I do remember this 7 day "ruling" but doubt if anyone will admit to it - the law says built and if the car manufacturers records are not available then some discretion may be possible if you speak to them nicely as the 7 day leeway does seem logical although a little generous as New Year day was not a Bank Holiday in the UK then? OK for Linwood built vars though!
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Post by stantondavies on May 27, 2006 8:51:07 GMT
New Year's Day was always a Bank Holiday, though Christmas Day wasn't and when Christmas fell at a weekend I didn't get a day off in lieu. It was a hard life!
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Post by Keith - Portsmouth on May 27, 2006 11:03:21 GMT
Oh dear. Yet again this thread goes off at a tangent. New Years Day became a Bank Holiday in 1974, in England. See here ===>>> www.consumer.gov.uk/er/bankhis.htmAt least, I think that is what it says. But like all government missives, it is confusing.
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Post by Phil Nottingham on May 27, 2006 11:29:56 GMT
I thought it was not that "recent" - I know someone out there would have the answer!
It was brought in to reduce unofficial absenteesm and since the car industry around that period was beset with it I doubt if any cars were produced much in the period 1st-3rd Jan anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2006 12:18:28 GMT
There was an article in the Classic Cars for Sale weekly paper about the sliding twenty-five years. They interviewed the then shadow transport minister, who admitted that the loss in revenue of re-introducing the twenty five year sliding exemption was very little, and that having a fixed cut of date was indeed really stupid. He said that should he be elected, the twenty-five year rolling exemption would be re-introduced. Maybe this will cease to be a problem at the next election if we get a change in govement?
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Jun 5, 2006 16:11:10 GMT
We can always live in hope! Prior to the 25 year rule pre 47 cars paid half rate so a fixed date is nothing new. Taxes are not meant to fair or logical anyway
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Post by rov5b on Jun 6, 2006 7:26:08 GMT
I think it would be fairer all round if they scrapped it and added it to the cost of petrol - that way everyone pays for the amount they use the roads!
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Post by stantondavies on Jun 6, 2006 7:59:11 GMT
In essence (no pun intended) I agree. But then there is the effect on rural communities with no public transport and also the disparity between fuel prices in the UK and the rest of Europe. Foreign hauliers with large full tanks of fuel have a distinct advantage over UK hauliers. And so on. Collection of Road Tax provides a mechanism for checking insurance and MOT though technology will make this redundant eventually. Like everything in this world, nothing is black and white, there are always varying shades of grey.
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Post by V8 on Jun 6, 2006 12:45:11 GMT
I emailed the DVLA about a week ago requesting them to tell me which is the actual rule used to decide whether a car will qualify for historic tax status, and I got a "system generated reply" stating that I would have a response within 3 days. Within 3 days, I got a personal reply- from a lady there, saying that she is investigating and will get back to me shortly- I still havent had a reply, which suggests to me that there is probably a lot of head scratching going on at the DVLA and that even they don't know which is the correct rule. I will let you know what they have to say, if they do bother to respond.
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