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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2005 11:51:16 GMT
I am looking to fit electronic ignition into a P5B coupe. The idea of electronic points which shouldn't wear out and don't need adjusting does appeal to me. I thought the lumination kit that fits inside the distributor kit would be the thing to go for ... does anyone have experience of fitting electronic ignition, and are there benefits to be had from using the more sophisticated units, rather than just replacing the breaker?
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Post by adrian50 on Apr 11, 2005 12:39:17 GMT
I fittend Lumenition ignition a few years ago, no problem. The engine ran smoother, especially at idle. I can highly recommend it, but one person did suffer a very rare failure. We fit them all the time at work (to replace the old points that do go off tune and wear out constantly). I say - go for it! The Lumenition company also make a 'Magnetronic' unit which literally only replaces the points and can be fitted completely in the distributor but i have no experience of it. Cheers
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Apr 11, 2005 18:15:52 GMT
>:(I am the oNe where my ludicrously expensive Lumention kit failed and I had to be trailered home./me The black box gave up the ghost after 30K miles and 4 years. as a new one would cost almost the same as a complete lot I have gone back to the old points. The cost of this set up would buy many sets of points and a reconditioned distributor if necessary and then some left over for petrol. The installation involves permanent butchering of your (worn) distibutor and [glow=red,2,300]will offer better starting warm up and permanent in-tune[/glow] till the chips fry and the diodes degrade. Unless you are doing more than 15K miles per annum you will nver re-coupe the cost and you are able to sort out the old fashioned contacts etc which were good enough for Rover and millions of other cars and do allow easy roadside repairs. [shadow=green,left,300]So stick with the points and buy more petrol to use and enjoy your car[/shadow]
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Post by Smallfry on Apr 11, 2005 20:09:41 GMT
I have used Lumenition on every (old)petrol car I have had since 1986. I wouldn't even like to guess how many miles I have done with it, but all told must easily exceed 100,000.
I have never had a problem with it. But I cannot honestly say that I have noticed smoother running, increased economy blah blah blah. What is noticable is reliability and the thing not needing constant adjustment. I would recommend having a baseplate complete with points and condenser already set up as a spare, so IF it should fail, you can put it all back and off you go.
It just so happens that I have got a setup complete with new fitting kit for the distributor if you are interested. £75. Why am I selling it ? Because I have got three or four sets.
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Post by Allan NZ P5b on Apr 12, 2005 2:21:10 GMT
I installed a unit similar called an ignitor II and a flame thrower coil. Visit their site here to see. www.vintageperformance.com/retrorockets/or this company in the UK www.aldonauto.co.uk/Have the same products under a different name I have found it easily the best simple improvement to my car. And as the unit fits completely within the distributor no one is the wiser. Really did take less than 1/2 hour to fit both the coil and unit within the distributor. Also they gave me great service via email. The car stays in tune and performs better. Starts faster and easier, the spark is HUGE, I can’t recommend it enough. Read the web sites make your own call but I love it. The Flamethrower Coil The total unit inside the distributor has its own base plate and fits on where points would go. No alterations required and black magnetic sender slides over cam. 2 wires to coil My engine bay 1 My engine bay 2
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2005 11:14:15 GMT
Thanks for the info everyone, nice car Allan! I will have a look at the website, and the Lumination one and try to come up with a plan!
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Post by carel santman on Jul 16, 2005 0:26:02 GMT
Hi Allan,
I bought the ignition from Aldonauto and it looks quite similar to yours. Not too many pieces, looks easy.... Can you give me more detailed info about how to put it in (I want to try it myself, but never did anything with distributors, points and timing before. I have to remove the condenser and points, says the instructions paper. I can see the condenser, but where are the points? Where can I find the points adjustmentscrew (I have to remove the spring on it and then tighten the screw). At what angle do I put on the rotor and is it necessary to set the timing afterwords with a strobe when the ignition before the operation was perfect? I see now that I have a lot of questions and its maybe better to go to a garage-mechanic.......
Carel
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Jul 16, 2005 8:57:38 GMT
Part of the adjustment screw is in the bottom part of the 2nd Photo partly obscured by the radiator hose it pokes out the side of the dizzy. The points fit where the red box is to contacts on aremovable plate with cable connected that goes to the coil and the other that goes to the condesor.
The timing will have to be reset
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Post by Peter Mueller on Jul 16, 2005 10:15:48 GMT
I have the Lumenition one fitted. Would anyone know whether a flame thrower coil (sounds terribly dangerous) could be added to it and whether that would make the same positive difference as in Allan's car. By the way, really a great car Allan. What a shame I didn't know you when we lived in NZ Peter
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Post by carel santman on Jul 28, 2005 23:33:06 GMT
I went to a specialized Rover P5 garage today to put in the Aldonauto electronic ignition, together with some other things like Kenlowe heavy duty electronic fan and new speedo cable. It all works good. The Aldonauto electronic ignition kit by the way did not fit at ones and they had to alter one screw into a pin. The garage told me that the Lumenition kit is more expensive but better (without altering a screw into a pin). They also did put in a new, what we call in Holland, bobine. The old one was 9 volts and the new one is 12 volts. Also the revolutions counter works normal again with this new bobine, so I think the bobine was to old and not working properly anymore. (I don't know the proper English name for bobine) The Kenlowe heavy duty fan with temperature control button, works very good. We did put it in with constant electric feeding, so it will go on working even after the engine is stopped.
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Post by Bertie on Jul 29, 2005 15:36:31 GMT
Carel, you are talking about the ignition coil (bobine).
Well Done.
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Post by carel santman on Jul 29, 2005 23:37:52 GMT
Hi Bertie,
I learn more and more "car-English" on this board. Thanks.
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Post by Kev on Aug 13, 2005 7:13:38 GMT
IGNITOR it's the way to go, either the original or if you can get it the mk2 model, excellent bit of kit for around £75.00. the car starts on the button,runs smoother,better pick up and the electronic bit takes out the roughness of the old v8.Im sure the Flamethrower coil is an added benefit too, i have one but need to re-do my old wiring to get it to fit.All in all an excellent bit of kit.
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Aug 13, 2005 9:04:57 GMT
It certainly sounds better value than the unreliable Lumentions I have had
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Post by Allan NZ P5b on Aug 14, 2005 22:09:13 GMT
I have tried to say this before, The ignitor II rocks especially with the flamethrower coil Over here the guys who use the rover engine in kit cars and track cars all fit ignitor from pertronix over the luminitation the ignitor II has a variable dwell curve and I think the car feels much nicer with it. Original post copy here I installed a unit similar called an ignitor II and a flame thrower coil. Visit their site here to see. www.vintageperformance.com/retrorockets/or this company in the UK www.aldonauto.co.uk/Have the same products under a different name I have found it easily the best simple improvement to my car. And as the unit fits completely within the distributor no one is the wiser. Really did take less than 1/2 hour to fit both the coil and unit within the distributor. Also they gave me great service via email. The car stays in tune and performs better. Starts faster and easier, the spark is HUGE, I can’t recommend it enough. Read the web sites make your own call but I love it. The Flamethrower Coil The total unit inside the distributor has its own base plate and fits on where points would go. No alterations required and black magnetic sender slides over cam. 2 wires to coil My engine bay 1 My engine bay 2 Regards
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2005 10:36:39 GMT
I am interested in this modification, but 7 years ago I was having distributor problems and changed my original distributor to a Mallory twin point.
Would anyone know whether going down the route Allan suggests would be better than what I have, or would I get a bit more performance if I just upgraded the coil (to say a MSD Blaster coil) and kept the twin point Mallory?
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Post by Jimbob on Aug 15, 2005 14:28:53 GMT
If a spark ignites the fuel / air mixture, does it really matter how big a voltage makes the spark. Its a fact that triple electrode spark plugs do'nt make a difference to this process despite what the makers of such plugs might claim. Remember a gadget from a few years ago that you connected to your ht lead from the coil to distributor? At Classic car shows they demonstrated them. All that was inside them was 2 self tapping screws and two loose washers - how does that give a better spark or help the combustion process?
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Aug 15, 2005 16:15:40 GMT
Actually there is a sound basis for the device except the Self tapping screws would burn out quite soon.
Its a fact that I have used with a fouled up spark plug in that holding the cap away from the plug top to make the spark jump a wide gap - 1/2" or so can make the plug fire again without removing or cleaning the plug
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