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Post by enigmas on Feb 12, 2009 11:37:33 GMT
Very informative and interesting Warwick. I didn't realize we had so much rock dust for soil. The small portion of lawn in my back yard is burnt to a crisp not from fire but from the 30C - 46C degrees heatwave we've been having of late. Our air conditioner threw in the towel (stops working) at 36C.
Here are a few more facts in relation to "Saturday's Superfire."
Heat released Average Bushfire Energy expelled: 10,000kW/m of fire Saturday's Superfire Energy expelled: 60-80,000kW/m of fire. Equivalent to 500 Hiroshima atomic bombs released at once or enough energy to supply Victoria with electricty for 2 years.
Height Average Bushfire: Flame Height 10 - 20m Saturday's Superfire: Flame Height: 50m
Radiant heat Survivability from the radiant heat pumped out by a bushfire is averaged out as 4 times the distance of the flames' height. Black Saturday's flames were roughly 50m high, meaning firefighters could only get within 200m.
Source: The Herald Sun, Wednesday, February 11, 2009
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Post by dmaxwell on Feb 12, 2009 16:01:35 GMT
Eucalyptus trees seem to be everywhere in California and most folks think they are native to the state. My understanding is that they were brought in by the railroads to make ties (I think they are called sleepers elsewhere) with. This didn't work out since the wood twists when it dries out. I've planted many gum trees (blue, red, snow and cedar) for firewood and was always amazed just how much water is stored within a live tree when I would cut them down, the ground under where I was cutting would get dark with the moisture. I also had to let them dry out over the summer months before they would burn. I've finally come to the conclusion that since I was watering the trees every 2 or 3 days with a drip system, they were getting more water than the trees alongside the roads. Once I had a small grass fire (set by accident when I was burning some tumbleweeds) and the eucalyptus trees never caught fire.
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Feb 12, 2009 19:13:00 GMT
Any news on dmulally yet? I hope all is well
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Post by Warwick on Feb 13, 2009 2:12:59 GMT
Thanks Peter, But I'm no expert. This stuff is generally known and understood by most Australians. The reason I've been posting it is that I assume that it isn't widely known elsewhere and it may be of some interest since it was being reported overseas. The only unusual thing about this event (or series of events) is the intensity, plus the fact that multiple fires were occuring in populated areas. We are used to bushfires and they happen somewhere virtually every summer. Every few years we get a really bad one, and every couple of decades we get a horrific one. These have just broken the records of the past and so have received coverage overseas. I supposes it's a bit like your floods that Steve (shed) mentioned. We had coverage on the news here because they were so bad, but there are probably people being affected by such things somewhere most winters but we don't hear of them.
Vince, You're right of course, I was speaking very broadly. I've edited the post and put rock dust in inverted commas. We do of course have some very fertile land where the top soil is very rich or very deep. Old river valleys, old and current river deltas (such as they are), etc. - but as a percentage of total land area, it is very small.
Thanks David, That's interesting. I suspect the problem for the railroad companies would have been the use of young trees. Our railways were built using sleepers cut from native forest but the trees would have been hundreds of years old. We have historically built timber-framed houses with a weatherboard (clapboard?) or brick outer cladding, with a lath and plaster or plasterboard internal lining. The timber frame was constructed from green (as in freshly cut and milled) eucalypt hardwood. The method of construction needed to be such that vertical timbers (studs) had to be braced and blocked with intermediate pieces (noggins) to prevent or minimize twisting as it dried. I'm not a builder and I have no idea whether these terms are specific to Australia or not. If you want straight timber for building, the smaller section milled lengths need to be kiln dried in carefully arranged stacks. The reason green timber was always used for building was that it is almost impossible to drive a nail into it once it has dried. These days of course we have power tools, but we have also changed to plantation grown radiata pine.
A gum tree will certainly steal the ground water from nearby plants as they tend to have extensive subsurface roots that extend a long way out from the tree, searching for moisture. They don't have taproots. As a consequence, when left unprotected from the wind (i.e. not in a forest) they can tend to fall over, ripping their root system out of the ground together with the surrounding clump of soil.
If you cut them up for firewood, you do need to split the pieces to speed drying and, as you've discovered, put the pieces aside for the following winter.
Because these trees are evergreen (most of our trees are not deciduous), the ground beneath them is littered with dead leaves. I think that there may be an assumption from people overseas that an evergreen tree doesn't drop its leaves. That isn't the case. Whereas a deciduous tree drops it's leaves in one go in autumn, our trees are shedding leaves all year round. They also shed strips of bark. Gum trees are very messy things. The ground beneath is covered with dry leaves and long strips of dry bark, and all this "fuel" accumulates. We had cleared around the house and sheds in preparation for the forecast fire danger, but the very strong winds on Saturday preceding the fire's arrival at our place meant that there was bark and leaves all over the place again.
The strips of bark being shed also get caught on branches and remain hanging from the trees. Furthermore, the loosening strips don't detach immediately and remain loosely connected to the trunk. This means that a fire on the ground or in the undergrowth can quickly climb the tree and into the canopy of leaves.
The thing that many of us found strange about the photos of Marysville and Kinglake, were the stands of blackened trees with their leaves untouched. There were lots of scenes where all the trunks were burnt, the undergrowth was gone, houses and cars were destroyed, but the tree canopies were untouched. A typical bushfire scene would be the first 2 Tonimbuk photos with the CFA truck in the foreground. Everything was on fire. The Marysville and Kinglake aftermath images show how unusually ferocious the wind was. The heat and flames were being blown almost horizontally across the ground. This would explain why the fire travelled so quickly and why the treetops weren't burnt. The eucalyptus cloud that usually hangs around the tree tops would also have been blown away before the fires started.
Also interesting is the effect the willows along our river had on the grass fire. When the land below the mountains in Gippsland was cleared for farming in the 1800s, soil erosion began to damage the exposed rivers, so English willows were planted along the banks to stabilize the soil. We know these as Basket Willows or Crack Willows - I've know idea what their correct name is. They have a huge fibrous root mass that holds the soil together, but it also chokes the river and diverts its flow causing flooding. They change the micro-environment making it difficult for native fish, and platypus find it difficult to burrow into the banks for nesting. In short, they are a weed around waterways and are gradually being removed.
The willows were removed along half our stretch of the river last autumn, and last spring this area was revegetated with indigenous plants. Our neighbours and friends across the road, and the next property downstream had a much larger section down last year and the year before. Further downstream on their property (towards the old house that burned in one of my photos), the river is still choked and lined by old willows. In paddocks that had been grazed recently, the cows eat the willow leaves and branches up as high as they can reach, but where the paddocks were closed to the cattle, the willow's boughs reached to ground level. When the fire left the trees on the ridge and raced down the slope on the other side of the river, as a scrub fire, it went straight under the cow-trimmed willows and jumped the narrow river and continued up towards our place as a grassfire through our friends' farm. Where the willows reached to the ground, it was stopped by them.
John, I haven't heard from Damien since he asked if we were okay last Monday morning. He was at work in Sydney. I think the NSW situation is under control now and I doubt that it would have threatened his town directly, although it may have got close. He does seem to be a man of many talents, so I wouldn't be surprised if he's mixed up with his local fire brigade and has been a bit busy this week.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2009 2:10:42 GMT
Any news on dmulally yet? I hope all is well Hi Mate, Sorry about the tardiness. It has been raining for over a week and the only thing I have to report is that we have flooding in our place so Ive been busy sand bagging. There was a fire up our way but I have a media blanket over my place (tis (g)utter trash) so didnt hear much about it although I saw smoke. Cheers Damian
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Feb 16, 2009 8:23:14 GMT
Any news on dmulally yet? I hope all is well Hi Mate, Sorry about the tardiness. It has been raining for over a week and the only thing I have to report is that we have flooding in our place so Ive been busy sand bagging. There was a fire up our way but I have a media blanket over my place (tis (g)utter trash) so didnt hear much about it although I saw smoke. Cheers Damian Glad to hear you are well Damian got to keep No 79 rolling all the very best to your family and things improve very soon
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Post by glennr on Feb 16, 2009 12:52:53 GMT
Ditto. Soaking wet in the North, flaming hot in the south. I believe it has something to do with less evaporation occuring in the Southern Indian Ocean. Therefore less precipitation in the Victoria state. Crikey...I sound half inelligent. I'm glad it appears to be under control...or am I wrong??
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Post by David on Feb 16, 2009 15:13:32 GMT
Seems Australia has a wide reange of weather conditions: news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7683876.stmJust finished the Bill Bryson book about Australia called 'Down Under' - well worth a read - what a country e.g. the 'radio' schools in the outback can cover an area three times bigger than France
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2009 20:12:54 GMT
Its a funny place. I still have no feelings in my toes where they got frostbite a few years back when I was in the army out bush in the hills round Canberra. Mostly its nice weather on the Central Coast...mostly... And as for 79...she's gaaaaaawn. Made way for the next one which will be a coupe in full Historic Regs Group N racing livery. Havent got the car yet but got an eye on a couple. Cheers Damo
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Post by Warwick on Feb 19, 2009 6:59:23 GMT
the 'radio' schools in the outback can cover an area three times bigger than France France?! I thought everything was compared with the size of Wales. www.simonkelk.co.uk/sizeofwales.htmlFrom what I understand from reports by the Aust. Bureau of Meteorology (bureau - that's France again!), Glenn has got it right. Our particular set of circumstances in Victoria are directly related to the cyclone causing the "big wet" up in Queensland. It's affecting the weather patterns which gave us in VIC the high temperatures and strong wind, and Damian in NSW (halfway between) the high temperatures then bucketing rain. By the way, what we call a cyclone is a hurricane to the Americans and West Indians, and a typhoon to the Asians. Some more cheerful news from the bureau this week was that it is possible that our present drought (now exceeding 10 years) will not end and what we are experiencing will become the norm. There is a small town called Nhill in the wheat belt of northwest Victoria, and it had no measurable rain during 2008. As for the fires ... Ours, the Bunyip fire, continues to burn but is within containment lines and is being kept in check. Containment lines are deliberately burnt and/or bulldozed, large denuded strips of forest intended to provide a break in the available fuel from which point the fire can be attacked when it arrives there. Producing these fire-breaks by controlled burning is called back-burning. This has been going on just to our north all week, while the helicopters water-bomb old hotspots to prevent flare-up if the wind picks up again, from an unfavourable direction. Infra-red scanning aircraft are used to detect the hotspots throught the smoke. We have had strong blustery cold easterlies all week with overnight temperatures dropping to around 16 degrees C. This is really weird in the middle of summer in Victoria. The easterly wind has been good for us as it moves the fire away from us and removes the smoke, but it's bad for Melbourne and the people living in the eastern suburbs near the forested hills. That area has not burned since the dreadful Ash Wednesday fires of 1983. There are less than 10 fires still burning now but a large one is now destroying much of the beautiful Wilson's Promontory to the south of here. www.parkweb.vic.gov.au/index.cfmThe death toll from all fires has now risen to 200 with 1,800 homes destroyed. These are mostly from the Kinglake and Marysville fires.
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Post by Warwick on Feb 26, 2009 1:24:44 GMT
There appears to be quite a few people reading this thread, so I might as well give it an update. Thankfully we've now had a stretch of unusually cool weather for this time of year with quite cool southerly or easterly winds blowing and a bit nippy at night. No useful rain however, although it has tried a few times. The cool weather has allowed fire crews and aircraft to black-out (extinguish) spots of remaining fire in the burnt-out area - things such as smouldering tree stumps. These can ignite again when the wind strengthens and send embers to unburnt areas downwind. Unfortunately these strong winds have also been fanning new fires; some quite close to the outer eastern suburbs of Melbourne. But tomorrow (Friday 27th) is forecast to be a repeat of the 7th, so everyone is getting a bit fidgety. We have been told to expect strong hot northwest winds again with temperatures in the high 30s or low 40s. Perhaps not quite as hot as we had on the 7th. The Bunyip Ridge or Bunyip State Park fire that threatened us has had ongoing blacking out operations taking place with a helicopter patrolling the perimeter every couple of days and infra-red scanning aircraft covering the area at night, looking for hot-spots. There is however an area of peat burning in the Labertouche area and this is concerning the authorities. If the wind direction tomorrow is as forecast (from the northwest) then we should be okay as that area was burnt on the 7th. However, as you can see from the map below, there are still unburnt sections very close to us. Nevertheless, it seems unlikely that we would face another situation like before and the main potential problem will be that of falling embers, if a flare-up occurs in the area to our northwest. The map below was produced by the DSE and CFA to show the extent of the burnt area for the Bunyip fire. (See the black cross-hatching). Point A is where the fire began near the Bunyip Ridge Track in the Bunyip State Park (i.e. bush reserve), north of the small town of Bunyip which is near the bottom of the map. (A bunyip by the way is a mythical Aboriginal monster). Point B is the tiny town of Tonimbuk. (See earlier photos). Point C is the little town of Labertouche. (See earlier photos). Point D is the Glen Cromie caravan park just down the hill from us. (See photos below). Point E is home. Area F is the section of the catchment for the Tarago Reservoir to our north. (See photos below.) The following photos were taken at the Glen Cromie caravan park, just down the road a bit from home. It was beautiful green park on a loop in the Tarago River, and surrounded by tall old gum trees and thick scrub. I first went there when I was quite small, over 50 years ago although we've only live in this area for 10 years. These photos were passed on by a friend, but the photographer's identity is not known. I'm glad I didn't know this was going on so close on the 7th when I was waiting at home for the fire to arrive. The family of a school friend of my son are the park managers - This is their house. It and most of the rest of the park was saved by the CFA crew that waited for the fire. The following photos were taken by a Melbourne Water (water authority) aircraft reviewing the damage to the Tarago catchment area. See Area F on the map. The unusual thing about these fires, in particular the devastating fires at Kinglake and Marysville, was the speed. The wind was so strong that the flames travelled almost horizontally. This has meant that in many places the crowns of the trees were not burnt (although they have been scorched) and the flames moved quickly beneath them. Normally we are used to seeing black denuded trunks with no branches of leaves remaining, but there are large areas where only the things beneath the trees have been removed. The speed at Kinglake has been estimated to be 30 to 35km covered in about 7 minutes. A bushfire usually races uphill then travels down the other side fairly slowly. On the 7th, the wind was so strong that the speed was the same downhill. And finally, to illustrate a point I made in an earlier post, these next photos show why it starts and spreads so easily. The ground beneath gum trees is littered with bark and dead leaves which are shed throughout the year. In fact when the trees are stressed, as in drought, they can shed leaves more often in an attempt to conserve water. The bark being shed can get caught up in the lower branches and can act like a large wick to spread the fire up into the crown of the tree. The degree of bark-shedding varies widely between species. These photos taken at home show some extreme differences between species. In a heavily forested area, the volume and depth of such litter on the ground can be very large. It is this sort of material that the authorities often attempt to reduce by controlled "cool burns" during less hazardous times of the year.
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Post by glennr on Feb 26, 2009 7:41:11 GMT
The perfect kindling for any fire Amazing photo's.
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Post by Warwick on Mar 2, 2009 0:13:10 GMT
... tomorrow (Friday 27th) is forecast to be a repeat of the 7th, so everyone is getting a bit fidgety. We have been told to expect strong hot northwest winds again with temperatures in the high 30s or low 40s. Perhaps not quite as hot as we had on the 7th. Here we go again! Luckily last Friday turned out to be a non-event, for this half of the state at least. It was almost as hot as forecast but no wind. Almost dead calm with the smoke just hanging around in the air. It wasn't windy when I got up, so I decided to go to work and just keep an eye on the weather. It's only 15 minute to get back home again so I thought I'd head back when the wind picked up - but it never did. The weekend was quite cool, with a light southerly blowing, and we even had a bit of light rain on Sunday morning. Not that it was enough to help however. Today is quite cool too, but unfortunately they are predicting another horror tomorrow. Temperatures in the mid to high 30s across the state with winds gusting to 150 kph. Good fire weather. This will be about 10 degrees cooler than on Black Saturday (as the 7th is now being called), but with winds nearly twice the velocity. So I'm planning to stay home again to keep an eye on things. It's all getting just a bit wearying. I haven't driven around our area much since the 7th, to have a look that is. My normal route into Warragul to work has no signs of fire once I leave the front gate and turn away to the south. If I drive to Melbourne, to the west, I pass along the fringe of the burnt area for several kilometres before all signs of it disappear. A few damaged sheds and outbuildings, lots of burnt bush and farmland, but no houses lost - but a lot of near-misses. But my wife went for a drive to the north and northwest on Saturday and was reminded of how lucky we were - unlike so many others. I hope they're wrong about tomorrow. We should be okay, except in unusual circumstances, but a lot of other people elsewhere are likely to cop it.
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Post by Warwick on Mar 2, 2009 5:11:19 GMT
You know it's getting serious when you receive a broadcast SMS warning about tomorrow on your mobile phone, from the police.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2009 7:32:44 GMT
Don't take any chances!! Best of luck,
Peter
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Post by glennr on Mar 2, 2009 16:46:28 GMT
Our thoughts are with you. All the best.
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Post by Warwick on Mar 3, 2009 9:14:14 GMT
Thanks Peter and Glenn.
Another uneventful day in West Gippsland - happily. Stayed at home just in case, as there are still active pockets of fire around the district. School was cancelled so junior was home too. The day was mostly quiet and smokey with a coolish breeze. Nothing like we were anticipating, but not elsewhere apparently. Lots of storm damage from high wind, but the fires were kept contained as the helicopters could still fly.
Since about 5pm the wind has been strengthening here and the temperature rising, so that now (at 8pm) it's nearly 31 degrees and extremely windy. Bl**dy awful actually. They're getting ready for more fire activity through the night, to the east of here in mountain country that we last drove through last December. Wouldn't like to be there tonight.
Tomorrow is supposed to be only 19 degrees with a chance of showers, so things are looking up. I did find time to take the Rover for a run mid afternoon before the wind got nasty so it wasn't a total waste.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2009 3:01:48 GMT
Why the hell is it only Victoria that is copping it?
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Mar 4, 2009 6:40:35 GMT
I did find time to take the Rover for a run mid arfternoon before the wind got nasty so it wasn't a total waste. I hope it pours Warwick how did the above go
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Post by glennr on Mar 4, 2009 6:50:34 GMT
Why the hell is it only Victoria that is copping it? An interesting article on the bush fires in Victoria. mises.org/story/3343
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Post by Warwick on Mar 5, 2009 1:38:44 GMT
Well it did pour John! It came bucketing down. So it's over ... at least until next time. (The car seems to be running on 7 and half cylinders John. I'm going to do a decoke and desludge on the engine followed by a compression test, then take it from there. Nearly time to resurrect the Ozcoupe Progress thread). When the cool change arrived late on Tuesday night, the temperature dropped from 31 to 22 in the course of about 10 minutes. The accompanying winds were quite violent, but not too bad around here luckily. Trees blown down, powerlines cut and lots of rain. We mostly got the rain. It got down to about 17 degrees later and last night it was only 11. Almost needed to light the fire to warm up the house! It rained reasonably heavily most of Tuesday night and Wednesday and everything is very wet. The fire threat seems to be over for this summer. With luck it will be another 20 to 25 years before we get it this bad again. That has generally been the pattern of the past, but our climate experts say we can expect the gap to shrink. The problem will now be the potential for top soil loss if the rain is too heavy for too long. The government anticipated the potential for the contamination of dams in the burnt-out areas due to the run-off of ash, soil and fire-retardant chemicals. They began pumping water from the dams at risk to those in safer areas about 2 weeks ago. Things can now start to return to normal for everyone except those who have been burnt out and will have to live in temporary accommodation or caravans until their homes are rebuilt, and those who lost family or friends. Glenn, that article covers a lot of the points that get aired regularly down here. I do detect a hint of political direction in the content. It's not quite as simple as it is made out. There are many complex issues. The radical greens do not like fuel-reduction burns or the clearing of vegetation, but the mainstream sensible "greens" acknowledge the importance of such maintenance measures. I'm not sure who was here recording bushfire statistics in the 17th century. Must have been the AFA; the Aboriginal Fire Authority. The writer also seems to be suggesting that if all this bush was privately owned it would be better managed and these sorts of things would not happen. A change of this nature would have a huge impact on Australian society. Most of the unoccupied parts of the country is Crown Land (publicly owned). Generally you cannot own the land along a river or creek; you cannot own a beach or areas of coastal land. You can generally freely access any beach or river. The huge cattle stations (grazing properties) across a lot of the interior of the continent are only held by a pastoral lease and the land is not privately owned. Many of these "properties" are larger than some European countries. Most of the forested areas are Crown Land and the logging operators work on a licence. The mining industry is the same. If the bush that burned was all private property, then there certainly would not have been a problem, but it would be because the trees had been logged. In Melbourne we enjoy what is probably the best drinking water in the world. Minimal filtration and chlorination. Almost tasteless. You can safely drink water from virtually any tap you find almost anywhere. This is because we have closed catchments. The areas around our cities' water supply dams are heavily forested and there is limited or no recreational access to the reservoir. The question of clearing trees around houses in bush or rural areas is also complex. Part of the problem is that rules are often broad and blunt and don't cater for individual circumstances. They are intended to prevent ridiculous situations such as where people build a house in a bush setting then wish to cut down all the trees so that they can build a conventional house which will not withstand a fire. These same people often do not wish the rest of the community to clear trees as this would change the look of the locality which was the reason they chose to live there. The case cited in the article regarding the man who cleared 264 trees around his house has been well covered in the media here and is an example of how inflexible the rules can be. In that case, the number of trees removed was a very small percentage of the total on a very large property. These are the sorts of issues that need to be addressed. A Royal Commission has been established to investigate the fires and what has been learnt this time. It will be wide-ranging. Because we have historically had a 20 to 25 year gap between these really bad fires (as distinct from the smaller ones we have regularly), people forget the lessons learnt and rebuild standard houses, allow combustible material to accumulate around them, get behind on maintenance, etc. Fuel-reduction cool-burns in the bush during autumn and spring are also sensitive issues. The government is damned when they do and damned when they don't. The bush actually needs periodic burning to remain healthy and diverse, but some areas close to cities have not burned in decades. This is partly because the need to do so was not recognized 80 to 100 years ago or because a fire hasn't occurred there naturally for a long time, without being immediately controlled. This makes these areas extremely difficult to burn deliberately in a controlled and safe manner. Controlled cool-burns are frequently conducted but they can sometimes get out of control; then everyone needs to blame someone. The main problem this time was the freakish weather. 12 years into a bad drought, a heat-wave the like of which we haven't experienced for a very long time, cyclones in the north while we were experiencing the heat down south, and exceptionally high winds during the fire period. The really big question is, will we start to see conditions like this more often - I think we will; unfortunately. Anyway Glenn, at least we now know the real cause of the problem. www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkjBEE5ugaQ&feature=relatedEnough of this - we seem to be out of the woods for another year and hopefully we won't see something like this again for another 20. But it will be repeated - this just happens to be where we live. Thank you all for putting up with my ramblings over the past few weeks. It has been strangely therapeutic. You may now resume normal programming. Ady, how about another calming snow scene of your car to finish off with. Take us back to where all this began. When I made my initial comments in Ady's thread, I thought it was just another summer bushfire.
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Post by glennr on Mar 5, 2009 6:59:51 GMT
I have heard of Mr Phelps before. He should of been in the "Care Home" with my mum. They're must be a rant somewhere about the Brits. I hope you find that extra half cylynder without to much hassle.
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Post by dmaxwell on Mar 5, 2009 19:24:39 GMT
I'm glad to hear of the rains! The problems that some folk have with controlled burns is common in the western US also along with the problems of people building in rural areas that haven't burned in a century or so(and then expecting to get fire protection without doing any clearing around their house!). In the rural parts of Los Angeles, the Fire Department has stated that if you don't clear around your house and there is a fire, they won't protect your house, they will let it burn.
David Maxwell Tehachapi, California
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2009 23:53:54 GMT
lol @ the AFA ;D ;D ;D Ill be down this weekend obviously and going to take a look at Marks coupe which I want to turn into the group N so if you get into any strife, let me know and Ill push the open wheeler off the trailer and save the Rover. FYI, I would piss on your house if it were on fire, such is the extent of my friendship
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Post by Warwick on Mar 6, 2009 6:06:46 GMT
lol @ the AFA ;D ;D ;D Ill be down this weekend obviously and going to take a look at Marks coupe which I want to turn into the group N so if you get into any strife, let me know and Ill push the open wheeler off the trailer and save the Rover. FYI, I would piss on your house if it were on fire, such is the extent of my friendship Aaarrgghh!!! I thought it was next weekend! I'll ring Mark and get your mobile number as you've probably left already. P.S. Good thing the house isn't on fire!
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