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Post by denis23 on Dec 2, 2012 22:23:09 GMT
With Pobeda you can still buy all the NOS mechanical and body parts at the very afordable prices, same with Volga, that because its easy to restore.
I remember, prior to 1980 Olympic games, authorities conducted enormous restoration of the Tallinn Old Town, so lot of polish construction workers were there. So, I remember Star truck as well, some of them even left to Estonia. Also I remember one Polonez, it was really very western-look car to be compared with the Lada and Moskvitches!
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Post by stan on Dec 3, 2012 9:37:19 GMT
With Pobeda you can still buy all the NOS mechanical and body parts at the very afordable prices, same with Volga, that because its easy to restore. I remember, prior to 1980 Olympic games, authorities conducted enormous restoration of the Tallinn Old Town, so lot of polish construction workers were there. So, I remember Star truck as well, some of them even left to Estonia. Also I remember one Polonez, it was really very western-look car to be compared with the Lada and Moskvitches! We will have to start an Eastern European Section on here (although I already started a thread on the subject before!) If you go on Retro Rides they have a number of Eastern European cars on there.
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Post by denis23 on Dec 10, 2012 22:52:13 GMT
I just had terrific discussion about the place of the Moskvitch on the UK and Western Europe market in the 60-70ties on the russian retro forum. Seems guys there are still unaware how retarded was USSR domestic car industry. If you speak polish, you probably will understand everything) forum.auto.ru/retro/455426.htmlforum.auto.ru/retro/455495.htmlAlso I got nice Moskvitch advert:
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Post by stan on Dec 11, 2012 7:37:10 GMT
Good grief I remember those too! Not seen one of those for a long long time! I speak Polish but I cant read Russian unfortunately. By the way do you hire your Rover out for weddings? Is that the reason you purchased it or is that just to help pay for the petrol? ;-)
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Post by Kev on Dec 11, 2012 7:55:54 GMT
I can remember back in my youth a friend purchased an estate version for the sum of £35.00. We then set about getting it roadworthy, well as best we could. It did get on the road for a while but wasn't cool in trying to pick up girls... then his head was turned by a Yamaha FS1E & the old Moski was retired to a cold damp single garage. It's probably still there ;D Big Kev.
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Post by GlennR on Dec 11, 2012 8:15:57 GMT
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Post by stan on Dec 11, 2012 9:16:51 GMT
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Post by denis23 on Dec 11, 2012 9:31:10 GMT
Good grief I remember those too! Not seen one of those for a long long time! I speak Polish but I cant read Russian unfortunately. By the way do you hire your Rover out for weddings? Is that the reason you purchased it or is that just to help pay for the petrol? ;-) Thats interesting, I never learned Polish, but I can at least read - I even have the book from the childrenhood Historia Starych Samochodõw:) No, I am never refuse for the people who want to hire car for weddings, but it`s very small business indeed:) This year were 4 weddings, two of my brothers who got Cadillac 1967 for free, and weddings of my hairdresser girl and another was of my architect, both choosed the Rover and both were frustrated when I asked some euros for it:) So not very profitable business:) But generally, Rover was driven 150 dry miles this year. The funny about the Moskvitch, is that once appr. in 1973 big bunch of new RHD cars came to Estonia from UK, they all were unsold cars from the dealerships. So, probably not very popular car indeed. Regarding the madness of the old toys, what you guys think about this old rusty worn Moskwitch? Not bad, really yeaah:): www.osta.ee/moskvich-pedaalidega-lasteauto-30764516.htmlBack to my childrenhood, my first car was 1976 Opel Kadett (it was 1993 and I was 18), then 1984 Volvo 340 came to game (worst car I ever had), then 10 year old Ford Scorpio (Granada), which felt like battleship after all previous cars, then 1991 Mitsubishi Galant I bought in the 2000, alongside with discovering that car ownership and systematic breakdowns are not the same, and still use japanese cars for my everyday riding, apart from the very short and unhappy flirtation with Audi A4 1.8T...
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Post by stan on Dec 11, 2012 10:15:41 GMT
Good grief I remember those too! Not seen one of those for a long long time! I speak Polish but I cant read Russian unfortunately. By the way do you hire your Rover out for weddings? Is that the reason you purchased it or is that just to help pay for the petrol? ;-) Thats interesting, I never learned Polish, but I can at least read - I even have the book from the childrenhood Historia Starych Samochodõw:) No, I am never refuse for the people who want to hire car for weddings, but it`s very small business indeed:) This year were 4 weddings, two of my brothers who got Cadillac 1967 for free, and weddings of my hairdresser girl and another was of my architect, both choosed the Rover and both were frustrated when I asked some euros for it:) So not very profitable business:) But generally, Rover was driven 150 dry miles this year. The funny about the Moskvitch, is that once appr. in 1973 big bunch of new RHD cars came to Estonia from UK, they all were unsold cars from the dealerships. So, probably not very popular car indeed. Regarding the madness of the old toys, what you guys think about this old rusty worn Moskwitch? Not bad, really yeaah:): www.osta.ee/moskvich-pedaalidega-lasteauto-30764516.htmlBack to my childrenhood, my first car was 1976 Opel Kadett (it was 1993 and I was 18), then 1984 Volvo 340 came to game (worst car I ever had), then 10 year old Ford Scorpio (Granada), which felt like battleship after all previous cars, then 1991 Mitsubishi Galant I bought in the 2000, alongside with discovering that car ownership and systematic breakdowns are not the same, and still use japanese cars for my everyday riding, apart from the very short and unhappy flirtation with Audi A4 1.8T... Hi Denis I was born in the Uk my parents are both Polish I can speak fluent (although a bit rusty now) but I have forgotten a lot of written Polish and Russian letters are very different to western text as you know. Fortunately with my renewed and long interest in the Warszawa I am reading more Polish again and some memory cells are waking up! More rust than a Datsun! ;D Hey I love that pedal car! 400 Euros!!! You can buy a real one for that money! I remember in the mid 90's they shipped all the Lada's back to Russia as there was a demand for them. You do not see any Lada's here but they tried to reimport the Lada Niva recently, think they are £3000 brand new! Interesting car history you have, funny I personally cant stand Audi with a passion. One of my early (non classic) modern cars was an Audi A4 and I had nothing but problems with it! Never ever ever have an Audi again they are just overpriced glamourised rubbish in my opinion. Japanese is the only way to go for a modern car. You just want to get in and go no fuss and no concerns something will fall off! This one has been for sale at least 12 months! They must think it is worth at least P5B money?!! otomoto.pl/warszawa-m-20-pobieda-unikalny-stan-C20240914.html
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Post by denis23 on Dec 11, 2012 10:38:11 GMT
Well, Stan, I am very happy with my immortal Landcruiser 120 which looks like will happily serve me another 5 year at least... About the Pobeda, I think pristine one you can buy here (in Baltics) for 7-10 000 EUR, but it should be very good restored car. Wreck like on the photo might be worth of 1000 or something like that, no more. Restoration is expensive joy, what ever you restore, Pobeda, P5B or something else. I just got my Jensen Interceptor rear bezels from polish chromer, it was appr. 200 EUR, so full rechrome of Volga brightwork is appr 5000 in Poland or 10000 in Estonia, can you imagine how much will restoration cost??? Thats my granddad`s Pobeda. Not personal car, no, it was virtually impossible. Just for the duty. There is no aerial on the roof - personal cars had this feauture. The girl behind the car`s door is my mother and guy in the uniform is my grandfather. This is Estonia, appr. 1956. House on the right has unususal shape for Estonia and is freshly built by German POW-s. Just the piece of history.
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Post by stan on Dec 11, 2012 10:49:19 GMT
Well, Stan, I am very happy with my immortal Landcruiser 120 which looks like will happily serve me another 5 year at least... About the Pobeda, I think pristine one you can buy here (in Baltics) for 7-10 000 EUR, but it should be very good restored car. Wreck like on the photo might be worth of 1000 or something like that, no more. Restoration is expensive joy, what ever you restore, Pobeda, P5B or something else. I just got my Jensen Interceptor rear bezels from polish chromer, it was appr. 200 EUR, so full rechrome of Volga brightwork is appr 5000 in Poland or 10000 in Estonia, can you imagine how much will restoration cost??? Thats my granddad`s Pobeda. The girl behind the car`s door is my mother and guy in the uniform is my grandfather. This is Estonia, appr. 1956. House on the right has unususal shape for Estonia and is freshly built by German POW-s. Just the piece of history. Hey thanks for the photo. Its always nice to see original photos like that. Fortunately I do all my own restoration work, so that is not an issue but I would imagine a decent chromer in Poland might be worth considering here by the Rover P5 boys. I really need to make the effort to go to Poland next year with my family and hopefully go to a transport museum with the M20 exibit so I can see if I really do want to buy one? Maybe cheeky and ask if I can sit in it or drive it? I am a special case I have not been back to Poland since 1978 so it will be a very emotionaly trip for me but I want my daughter to know where her family came from.(including her dads strange interest in old classic cars !)
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Post by denis23 on Dec 11, 2012 11:30:31 GMT
Poland have changed very much since 1978. I been there in 2001 and in 2007, even between this period things changed dramatically. So, it will be nice trip, I guess. Yes, try this car before, just because its very far from the P5B for example;) Regarding the chromer - you can see this guy job here. www.joc.org.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=13031&start=135#p96529
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Post by stan on Dec 11, 2012 12:31:30 GMT
Yes Poland changes all the time I worry though it will become just another American consumerist copy and lose its own identity. This is happening in the UK, all the towns begin to look the same have the same big highstreet chains and lose their own character. There are exceptions but its not nice driving a Rover down the road filled with the same bland shops you get everywhere else!
I am used to luxury cars and basic cars, but its the M20 that started me on classics I think! d**n stupid old cars! ;o)
Thanks for the link to the chrome looks good.
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Post by GlennR on Dec 11, 2012 21:58:50 GMT
A different world and time. That is a great photo btw
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Post by barryr on Dec 11, 2012 22:24:03 GMT
You fired me up re fizzy's! All my friends were fizzy boys but 2 of us were different. My mate had a Honda MB50 and I had a Suzuki X1. A physically big bike looking just like the X7 but restricted to 30mph - boo!
Last year I bought my 80's dream icon bike the GSX1100 Katana. Saw one at bike 82 and just drooled. The guy on the Suzuki stand shooed us away but the Triumph stands were really happy to let you sit on all their bikes.
Love my big kat - it's still a handful for me with 100bhp and skinny tyres!
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Post by Warwick on Dec 12, 2012 2:39:16 GMT
Moskvich 408s were placed 20, 22, 33, and 38 in the 1968 London to Sydney Marathon.
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Post by Warwick on Dec 12, 2012 2:41:00 GMT
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Post by denis23 on Dec 12, 2012 7:00:00 GMT
Warwick, where do you take spares for this car?
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Post by stan on Dec 12, 2012 9:23:52 GMT
Warwick, where do you take spares for this car? They still make them in Russia! Warwick is that a hidden secret you kept from us? I strangely quite like them as 4x4's they have a certain rugged basic charm! Even my other half was considering buying one recently! You get them for the price of a Chocolate bar in this country! ;D This guy tried to reimport them to the UK again www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/lada/niva/first-drives/lada-niva
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Post by stan on Dec 12, 2012 9:48:22 GMT
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Post by denis23 on Dec 12, 2012 10:02:46 GMT
Stan, I just worried about Warwick, when looking to his address. Here in Estonia we have terricons of Lada spares left from the old times. Found today nice picture, abandoned polish minivan in the abandoned russian village!
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Post by stan on Dec 12, 2012 10:11:23 GMT
Thanks Denis - I like those vans a lot its the nicer rounded body before they went all square! Why is the vilage abandoned? I would convert that one to a camper and sell my VW one!
I would imagine that vehicles left in places like that will survive better than most because of the dry cold air and no salt on the roads?
Maybe I should buy a Lada Niva and take a trip over and track down a few Classics for myself (classics that nobody else would ever want but me of course!) ;o)
Admin? I know we have gone very off topic here wonder if this should be a seperate Eastern European Classics thread and keep Denis's P5 thread intact what do you think?
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Post by harvey on Dec 12, 2012 14:22:34 GMT
Last year I bought my 80's dream icon bike the GSX1100 Katana. Saw one at bike 82 and just drooled. I had one of those back in the early to mid 80's, from about 83 to 86 IIRC. I still don't think there's ever been anything quite like it. Lovely looking things, and pretty good handling by the standards of the day, as borne out by the numbers of them production raced successfully at the time, hence the relatively few numbers that have survived. A pic would be nice....
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Post by Warwick on Dec 13, 2012 3:54:13 GMT
Warwick, where do you take spares for this car? I haven't needed any yet Denis. But they are available from several places. www.ladaparts.comladanivawourldwide.freeforums.org/Cyf might be interested to know about the wheels. I cut the centres out of the 16" Lada wheels and did the same with a set of 15" Peugeot 403 wheels. Then the 403 rims were welded to the Lada centres. This allowed the fitting of 4 1/2" by 15" herringbone tread farm implement tyres. This is not for road use of course. If I remember correctly, the Niva stud pattern is the same as Ford F100. Quite a lot of Nivas were sold in Australia. They are very capable off-road and much more comfortable on or off road than the equivalent size leaf-sprung Japanese 4x4s of their day.
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Post by Warwick on Dec 13, 2012 3:56:07 GMT
Warwick is that a hidden secret you kept from us? I have a vague recollection that I posted that photo here several years ago.
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