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Post by cyf on May 15, 2010 15:48:47 GMT
Hi,
I'm french and I own a 72' P5 Coupé, RHD, with a sliding steel sunroof, and I wonder if it's a factory fitted one or an aftermarket item.
According to the J. Taylor's book, there was a dozen made in factory. Is there records of those cars? How can I know if mine is one of those? Chassis number? Registration number?
Thank you for your help
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Post by Phil Nottingham on May 15, 2010 20:18:27 GMT
Welcome to the forum - any records will be held by BMHT at Gaydon - they have a website but there are fees and information may not be much help
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Post by cyf on May 16, 2010 7:26:42 GMT
Thank you, philnottingham. I'll try with BMHT. Do you know P5B coupés with this type of sunroof?
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Post by glennr on May 16, 2010 8:44:06 GMT
Hi, and welcome. Is this the type of sunroof you are enquiring about ?
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Post by Phil Nottingham on May 16, 2010 9:38:16 GMT
It was the sliding steel steel type - I have heard of one but never seen it
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Post by glennr on May 16, 2010 11:21:55 GMT
It was the sliding steel steel type - I have heard of one but never seen it Me neither Phil. Cyf can you post some photo's?? If you have trouble doing this I can do it for you.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2010 12:13:08 GMT
I had one on mine but don't have a pic. It was made by Hollandia if I remember correctly. Made of steel. Lined inside. Hand operated. Slid backwards and forwards. As far as I am aware it was 1973 factory installed. My car was RHD originally but after arriving in NL (1990?) was restored and changed to LHD. Was waterproof and worked perfectly (at lower speeds). Above 50 mph was some buffeting.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2010 12:13:34 GMT
I had one on mine but don't have a pic. It was made by Hollandia if I remember correctly. Made of steel. Lined inside. Hand operated. Slid backwards and forwards. As far as I am aware it was 1973 factory installed. My car was RHD originally but after arriving in NL (1990?) was restored and changed to LHD. Was waterproof and worked perfectly (at lower speeds). Above 50 mph was some buffeting.
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Post by cyf on May 16, 2010 17:57:23 GMT
Hi,
Well, no GlennR, it was not this type. As Philnottingham wrote, mine is a sliding steel.
It's the same type as discribed by peternetherlands, but mine is electricaly operated, with the switch on the central consol, on the right of the foglamp switch.
I'll take pictures on wednesday and try to post them, the car is actually undergoing a light restoration
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Post by Roy of the Rovers on May 16, 2010 19:24:17 GMT
Mine has this sunroof and it was my car pictured and mentioned in James Taylors book on the P5 (XXC 509K). As I understand it they were fitted at the dealership rather than at the factory. Cyf I would be interested to know if your car still has the Hollandia metal label still in the car? Mine was inside the glovebox but dissappeared when the car was stripped for a respray. I have never actually seen one so would like to get a picture so I can have a new one made. I also need to get a new rubber seal made for the sunroof...somehow!
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2010 6:56:14 GMT
This looks like mine Roy...although yours is electrically operated. The lip at the front is instantly recognisable.
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Post by cyf on May 17, 2010 10:50:34 GMT
My sunroof is the same type as yours, Roy. So, as far as you know they were not fitted in factory? I didn't know there was a label in the glove box. Where is it located? Is it screw or riveted on the bodywork behind the trim? I'll check for it Wednesday, but as the car was restored once, 20 years ago, may be it's missing.
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Post by Warwick on May 18, 2010 1:04:47 GMT
Roy, that looks very similar to the electric one that was fitted to my 505 GTI and the manual one fitted to my father's 1974 504 TI.
Any chance of a photo of each of them from the inside, Roy and cyf?
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Post by cyf on May 18, 2010 8:59:11 GMT
Pictures tomorrow ,Warwick.
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Post by cyf on May 19, 2010 11:51:31 GMT
So, I made pictures, I hope you can see them - {PhilN - no but now can }Outside, close Outside, open Inside, close Inside,open The switch, on the right
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Post by Phil Nottingham on May 19, 2010 18:58:29 GMT
Cyf - go into "modify post" - I have inserted [/img] around hyperlink
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Post by cyf on May 19, 2010 19:42:35 GMT
Thank you philnottingham.
RoyFellingham, I checked the glove box and there was no label in it.
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Post by Roy of the Rovers on May 20, 2010 18:58:05 GMT
For a picture of mine just look at 'Cyf' s photo! Mine is exactly the same.
I had a quick look in the James Taylor P5 book and it says my car sunroof was fitted later by Rover BUT the others were fitted as a trial by Rover. So maybe they were fitted in the factory but I was told they were fitted at the Rover dealers. A Heritage certificate might show it as a special option but as mine was fitted later the heritage certificate does not show it.
Cyf- mine has a manual winder under the headlining- over the back seat, does your car have any kind of cover here? Mine is missing and I just have a hole there?
The label in the glovebox was a thin brass plate with something like "Sunroof installed by Hollandia (Ltd?) and their address in London". It was engraved and about the size of a AA battery and glued to the lining in the right hand side of the glovebox.
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Post by cyf on May 20, 2010 19:56:09 GMT
Hi, The cover you're talking about is circle in red on the picture, right? Are you sure that an Heritage certificate would mention the sunroof if it was factory fitted? In the James Taylor P5 book, on page 141, there's a picture of the sunroof's switch wich is alongside the gear selector. Can the position of the switch be an indication of the factory or aftermarket fit? Where was yours? Note: the car is dirty, there are items missing and the seat is not the right one ( it's an old one) as the car is undergoing a light restoration
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Post by Warwick on May 20, 2010 23:37:43 GMT
Thanks Cyf and Roy.
Those fitted to the Peugeots look the same from the outside. The track and spring mechanism that lifts the wind deflector at the leading edge look the same. However, the electric one on the 505 had a switch located beside the front interior light and map-reading lights, near the mirror, so that may have been a Peugeot part.
The 504 however has a recessed latch in the sunroof panel. You reach up and pull back on the latch and this slides the panel back manual.
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on May 21, 2010 5:54:42 GMT
Looking at the Head Lining it is totally different to a Factory one in terms of construction but the material is correct! would an after market sunroof installer go to the trouble of removing the complete frame and redesigning a new one if they did it must have been rather expensive
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Post by cyf on May 21, 2010 6:58:28 GMT
You're right John, the material of the headlining is exactly the same as the one of cars without sunroof. But Roy said that his headlining is the same as mine, and he was told that his sunroof were fitted aftermarket.... Pretty confusing
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on May 21, 2010 7:22:27 GMT
You could buy the material from Rover so that is understandable why the material matches, but to remove the original frame is either a screen out job or a front seat, gear lever and tunnel cover which I suppose is not a big job, never the less it must have been an expensive sunroof
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Post by cyf on May 21, 2010 8:16:56 GMT
Do someone have a document listing the prices of after market options at the time?
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Post by Phil Nottingham on May 21, 2010 18:43:14 GMT
Hollandia were coach builders and body trimmers - it is entirely possible for them to have been commissioned by Rover Co to do these on customer order - it happened quite a lot. These were almost hand bulit cars and the waelthy customers they were iamed would pay for extra's
If so then it would have been factory fitted to order
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