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Post by adyonekenobi on Mar 24, 2005 15:43:32 GMT
I serviced my friends P5B the other week and his car has a mild steel exhaust which has been on for years. It sounded much better muffled than mine (full stainless system) and I am very tempted to take off the stainless system and fit a mild steel one. We don't do much above 1,000 miles per year, and my friend does even less, yet his system has lasted very well. I must say the sound was quieter and more 'Rover like'.
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Post by dorsetflyer on Mar 24, 2005 16:42:24 GMT
I would say that the stainless steel system is the best. The reason it sounds different may be in the gauge thickness. Some companies use a thinner gauge st. steel than others. P.D. Gough of Nottingham probably supplies one of the best ones for the Rover. It would be interesting to find out where the mild steel one came from. Hardly a tinny Kwik-Fit one that only lasts up to when the guarantee runs out. Remember when it comes to selling these cars, one fitted with st. steel will always have a plus point.
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Post by David on Mar 24, 2005 19:24:18 GMT
Also if your friends exhaust has been on for a long time, it probably has extra 'muffling' due to the carbon, oil and general exhaust fume build up. Leave your stainless on and it may well quieten down over time
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Mar 24, 2005 19:42:16 GMT
:(The proper Rover mild steel exhaust is yards quiter than any stainless system and will last a good whloie too but unless you get old stock impossible to find nowadays.
The Timax/fabricated ones are almost as quiet but nowhere as long lasting and they are not that cheap either.
Stainless system vary tremendously in price and quality and noise output. It really depends how much V8 burble you want.
The best I believe in quality/price is the Goughs as DorestFlyer says and this is defintely the quietest but its still not as quiet as an original mild steelor the cheaper Timax type
I have a Goughs on my 3 litre and thats more or less the same as the orinial Mild sttel in noise. I had a full Goughs fitted to my previous P5B and that is noisier that my current one which still carries its mild steel. I will wait till this rusts away and fit the stainless one.
An even older P5B had a Standard Motorists Stainless system and this was really quite noisy and got more so as the glass fibre wadding was blown out the tail pipe. You could hear the V8 burble 3 miles away!
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Post by roedmose on Mar 24, 2005 21:11:00 GMT
I read this posting with interest as I need a new exhaust for my P5B to get me (and the car) through Danish MoT. Am tempted to get a stainless system and wondered if this "Gough of Nottingham" has a web-page ? Though shipping to DK will assumable be very expensive Are the exhaust system for the coupe the same as for the saloon ?
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Mar 24, 2005 21:28:56 GMT
;DI think they advertise in Take 5 but I doubt if they have a computer yet never mind a website - the invoices were handwritten when I bought my last one in 2002!
The exhausts are the same for both Coupe and Saloon and they do ship all over the world so its worth phoning them for further details.
As they are just down the raod from where I live let me know if you want any further info and I will see what I can do.
Its a bank holiday in this country for the next few days so they will be closed probably
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Post by Keith - Portsmouth on Mar 24, 2005 22:13:44 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2005 23:00:56 GMT
8-)Obviously bought the computer 2002 onwards???
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Post by Smallfry on Mar 25, 2005 1:11:26 GMT
I have to agree about stainless steel systems not being as quiet. If you manage to see a genuine old stock one, you will find the silencers and pipes are made from much thicker material, and this is part of the problem. High grade stainless steel of this gauge is almost impossible to bend unless you use a mandrel bender, and this is why most of the cheaper systems are not as good, along with the fact that a lot of systems do not have glassfibre in the mufflers. You will also find that the coupling flanges are made either of mild steel or cast iron, so its not truly 100% stainless anyway
A really good system will ALWAYS be mandrel bent, and therefore be expensive. You will also find that these manufacturers use higher quality, and thicker stainless.
If you have a stainless system and it has been fitted for some time, have a look at it. On the majority you will see that the silencers themselves are nice and shiny, but the pipes are looking a bit rusty. You will also see that the connecting flanges are as rusty as old harry (whoever he is)
Reason ? The pipes are made of lower quality (less chromium) material
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Post by roedmose on Mar 27, 2005 9:18:31 GMT
I have send an email to Gough. I plan for a trip to UK in my newly bought P5B in the on-coming summer (though it still seems far away here), so if shipment is difficult/expensive to DK, I will just patch the exhaust and plan the trip to include Nottingham and get it changed on-site. Thanks to Phil for the kind offer - I might need some help later on this issue !
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2005 11:09:25 GMT
;)Its a good idea to let them fit it - its well worth what they charge and they can fettle it to ensure best fit.
Hope you can patch up your old exhaust to make to the UK
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Post by roedmose on Mar 29, 2005 18:06:30 GMT
Yes, T-bar, I will try. After all, a trip to Nottingham might bring me in contact with good old Mr. R. Hood. After investing in a P5B I belong to the poor, to whom he is supposed to be donating fonds, taken from the rich, to. Or was this before the EU ??
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Mar 29, 2005 19:56:41 GMT
:'(R Hood is defunct after "rebranding" try Doncaster who have laid claim
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Post by PeterMadden on Mar 31, 2005 14:43:39 GMT
Just got my Rover back after my local garage fitted a SS system supplied by PD Gough, very pleased ;D and the SS system is much quieter than a mild steel one with a hole in the front pipe. After other comments about SS systems being noisier I have to say it does seem nice and quiet. Car's now clean after a winter in the garage and of to Bournemouth with 30 other Harpenden cars on Saturday for the 'Springing Up Run'. A convivial night Saturday in the hotel and then a scenic tour back on Sunday. ;D ;D
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Post by dorsetflyer on Mar 31, 2005 18:36:57 GMT
Peter I didn't like to say this earlier, but I have just had a stainless steel system fitted on my Humber, and it's much quieter than the old mild steel one.
What a shame you didn't get in touch with me sooner, as I could have got some cars together including three P5B's, and some others from our car club, and met up with you in Bournemouth on Sunday. Nothing like swelling the ranks with classics, as it's only an hours run away.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2005 7:18:07 GMT
Not sure if anyone is interested but these guys do stainless exhausts for the P5. I have not bought so I can’t comment on there price but I will be buying one for my Capri. One of the guys in the club got one and can’t say enough good things about them. www.larinisystems.com/catalogue.php
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Post by roedmose on Apr 5, 2005 13:14:25 GMT
I have got a price quote on 700 GBP plus 100 GBP in postage from Gough. A bit more than I hoped for, but if it fits and is good thats how it is. However JRW quoted 385 GBP on his page (plus VAT ??). Can anyone comment on the differences in quality from the two ?
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Post by Neddy on Apr 5, 2005 14:17:18 GMT
Has any one tried : Stainless Exhaust Specialists Sutton in Ashfield Notts Telephone 01623-552262 or visit www.stainless-exhaust.comApprox price £567.00 plus VAT for P5B system.
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Post by PeterMadden on Apr 5, 2005 14:17:39 GMT
Check back with PD Gough on the price I just paid £455 plus carriage (£20) plus vat for a full system. It is excellent and I am very pleased, I can't commnet on a J Wadhams system.
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Apr 5, 2005 21:20:54 GMT
???That does sound very expensive - ask them to recheck
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Post by roedmose on Apr 7, 2005 18:29:54 GMT
I inquried on a system from Larini as mentioned in the posting above from eclinton. I got a very professional answer with all details and photos etc and as the price was very good, I ordered a system. It will be delivered in 2 weeks and it will take me a week or two to find the time to fit it. I will report back here how my experience will be !!
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Post by roedmose on May 31, 2005 16:41:20 GMT
On the 7. April I reported that I ordered a system from Larini. Should be delivered in 2 weeks but today (31.May) the system arrived. There was several delays and Larini did not report back, so I had to inquiry several times. The last excuse was that they waited for a supply of tubing (!!). So my comment in earlier posting about proffesionalism have to be reconsidered !! So if you go for this solution be prepared with patience. - However, now arrived, the system looks good. I include 4 pictures for whom concerned to judge, but I do think the welding is beautiful. I will get it installed shortly and report back, however I will not change the front-pipes now (if I can avoid it), as I fear destroying the bolts, manifolds or thread. And so close on our holiday-trip this would be a disaster !! - The rear section weighs some 6 kilos, the middle some 9 kilos and the front-piping some 3.5 kilos. - I had expected that the detachable clamp that sits on the front of the middle section was included as well. How I have to trace a new one, or reuse the old one. But that was perhaps to high hopes. - See and behold :
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2005 18:18:16 GMT
Yes it does look vary well made - let us know how it sounds.
I agree with leaving the old downpipes on till they have to be changed as the studs do give a lot of trouble.
Not sure what you mean about the clamp - this is on yours except its slipped along the pipe - you never get the actual hanging brackets - its best to renew the rubber on old ones as they will be well worn
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Post by roedmose on May 31, 2005 18:29:22 GMT
I mean the 'triangular' clamp that will bolt the middle section together with the front pipes. The front end of the middle section goes through a hole in the ''frame'', as I see it (though space to crawl below the car is limited), so the front 'triangular' clamp seems to be split, so it can be put on after the exhaust is inserted through the hole. This 'triangular' clamp was not included so I must try to reuse the old one, and get a new one later, so I can change it when I change the front pipes in the winter !
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2005 18:45:16 GMT
I see what you mean - they are called collets and Wadhams do them - alternatively a local machine shop could turn one up with a pattern and then you saw it in half. I have bought any exhaust Rover or otherwise with them included.
Used ones eventually corrode and crack into many pieces - they are still useable like this if you can hold all the pieces in position whilst positioning the clamping ring
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