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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2005 12:57:20 GMT
Hello.
I have managed to break the rear mounting bush that holds the rear end of the leaf spring to the chassis / shackle assembly. The bolts just sheared off - taking the thread with it. Wadhams want £20 +vat +p&p - which seams a bit steap to me. I had heard that a landover engine mount can be 'modified' to fit. Is this correct? If so - where can I get one?
Thanks Steve
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Apr 7, 2005 16:49:45 GMT
I think they are excellent value - they are now Land Rover engine mountings bolted a triangular bracket!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2005 7:54:47 GMT
So which model of Landrover are they from? I presume that they are only a few pounds each? I'd rather have a go at making my own first. Has anyone sucessfully achieved this?
Thanks Steve
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Post by adrian50 on Apr 8, 2005 8:14:17 GMT
If they were not available, I would make one too, but to avoid buying something that is readily available at a supplier who invests to support these cars is not a good thing to do. We ought to support these suppliers. I'm sure your time is more valuable to do something else than to try and make what is already out there? If we don't support the few suppliers left who can supply the parts we need, what will happen when they cease trading?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2005 8:39:39 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2005 8:47:30 GMT
Hi Adrian,
I understand your comments, I have bought loads of stuff from Wadhams. He's very helpful. I have even been & collected (by appointment!) stuff from their office in Stourbridge.
The original posting was to try & get a 'quick fix' so that I can move the car in & out of the garage whilst the restoration work on it continues, rather than have to spend more than required just to keep it 'mobile'.
Cheers Steve
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Post by adrian50 on Apr 8, 2005 12:52:17 GMT
Hi Steve Sorry if it sounded like I was on a soap box, but I work 'in the industry', and sometimes get protective of trying to support specialist 'dealers and suppliers'. JR Wadhams have / has been very helpful and obliging when ever I have needed anything from him. I must admit that I have to keep an eye on the condition of the support sections of the chassis where the rear spring hangers mount. Keep up the good work.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2005 13:13:31 GMT
Thanks Adrian, There's no doubt that JRW are very helpful, like you said - a specialist. Its not like going into your local motor factors & asking for a part for a mondeo or such like when something breaks / needs replacement! Did you manage to check the link on Reply #4? Do you think it looks like the correct bush? LR Supermarket are not to far from me - I'm in Cheshire & they are 5 miles down the road in Liverpool. I'll go and get one & try it. If it wont 'fit' then I'll have to call JRW & place an order. Thanks Steve
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Post by adrian50 on Apr 8, 2005 16:02:24 GMT
The mounting looks like the same thing as used on the spring mounts. Looks identical to Aston Martin DB4/5/6 and V8 gearbox mounting too and they are supplied as metric thread these days (£12.90 each plus VAT) P5 wiper blades fit DB5 too and vice versa! Cheers.
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Apr 8, 2005 18:45:25 GMT
:-XPerhaps I will keep quiet next time. I am also connected with "industries" like Wadhams who are only making a living. My view is that if people like Wadhams get this sorted out and spend time and money to stock items then we should support them. The cost, quality and availablilty of parts for our cars is as good if not better than far more modern cars The convenience of having these sort of parts on tap can be utilised in doing jobs yourself that others cannot do? You still need to clean up and drill the old triangle bracket and fit the pair of Metallastic bobbins with the nut and washer - not difficult granted but still time consuming and of course you need to know which mounting to go out and find? Many P5's you will find especially if they still have the original Y bush on them will only have the severed rubbers resting on the bracket - to move or even drive the car only requires a suitable lump of wood interspersed to prevent damage to the outrigger. This is another reason why I ever let tyre fitters loose unsupervised (or anyone else for that matter) as jacking up one side of the car and letting the back axle pull down on these shortens their life. The correct way is to jack up the whole back end under the axle banjo. PS I own two Land Rovers PPS I have got off my soap box as well!
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Post by dorsetflyer on Apr 8, 2005 19:42:37 GMT
Phil even doing that could cause problems surely, as you might damage the rear axle drain plug.
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Apr 8, 2005 19:59:39 GMT
It depends on the design of the jack saddle
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Post by richard eglinton on Apr 9, 2005 9:16:52 GMT
You beat me to it John! I was going to ask that question because my trolley jack seems to have a shallow saddle and bears on the brass plug before any lift occurs. On the rare occasion I have needed to lift the rear I have taken the axle off the ground using a location near the side I am working on and then secured the car with axle stands,blocks of wood etc.I agree that it is not practical for some purposes but in any event you would well secure the car on stands before starting any work underneath. I agree that you should not leave the axle hanging in mid air. A worse sin carried out by some garages is to jack the car mid point on both sides at once allowing the sub frame and every thing attached to dangle in mid air Richard
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2005 9:58:59 GMT
???If you are referring to the front - the reinforced centre section is precisely for jacking up the front as jacking on the sides of the subframe will bend it.
I agree that the car should be properly supported before going anywhere underneath and the correct place is the jacking tubes if they are sound - alternatively the rear end of the subrame near the end mounting should hold it. It is perfectly in order to leave the front suspension hanging the internal stops in the shockabsorber will operate then - its the rear that should never be left hanging for very long and a suitable axle stand under the axle preferably both sides of the banjo is the correct place for these and far better than the jacking tubes.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2005 10:16:59 GMT
Well, the good news is that the bush fits. After loosing loads of skin off my knuckles - the leaf spring is now re-attached. I bought 2 bushes - just incase the other one sheared. I can now move it around the garage! Blimey - its a heavy car Thanks Steve
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Post by stantondavies on Apr 11, 2005 10:23:54 GMT
I thought these mountings were common with some Volvos. Perhaps a quick chat with a Volvo storesman would help source an alternative though I always buy mine from Wadhams.
Thanks Phil for the tip about jacking - makes sense when you think about it.
By the way, I thought I was the only one with a P5 in Cheshire. NEVER see anybody else!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2005 10:35:53 GMT
Hi Peter, You probably wont see mine for a bit either! Its an about a million bits at the moment! Where abouts in Cheshire are you? I might pay you a visiit & take a few pics of your car - I need some idea of how to reconstruct the rear inner wing / d post section of mine! ;D ;D Thanks Steve
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2005 16:54:28 GMT
I am glad you have sorted it out - it does sound you do have a Wadhams Y mounting as on the original rubberwas moulded directly and of slightly different design
Is not a good idea to replace one side of the mounting (as opposed to one of the car) as it will place strain on the older one which will quiclky fail
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Post by Roy Fellingham on Apr 26, 2005 13:14:43 GMT
Does it matter if you choose the 'petrol' or 'diesel' one?
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Post by Smallfry on Apr 26, 2005 17:28:41 GMT
Roy
Yes it does ! The diesel one is square and is very unforgiving.
Its the petrol one you want. But I think a Vauxhall Chevette ones would be even better, as from memory they are slightly smaller, and made from softer rubber. I doubt if they can be got now though !
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2005 18:15:52 GMT
???I think the softer rubber ones would fail even quicker then the Land Rover ones - neither are as good as the the originals
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Post by Roy of the Rovers on Apr 27, 2005 22:06:06 GMT
Just for info, I contacted metalastik a few years ago and they recommended suitable current production round bushes that could be used to bolt onto the triangle piece. They considered these to be at least as reliable as the originals (they also sent me the original technical diagrams for the Y bushes for my info).I think they came out at about £12 each and I passed all this info on to the club but Nick Mathias was reluctant to approach them on behalf of the club. He said he dealt with them in his work and they could be difficult? Perhaps a new approach might be beneficial?
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Apr 28, 2005 16:10:17 GMT
It seems that Wadhams has sorted this so there is littel point and you can save yourself a few pounds by making your own with the Land Rover ones if you want.
The club should get involved in projects like the fuel pump - which is excellent and also the Sill strip which seems to be constantly asked about
The TRE's were a good idea too as were the pump diaphragms etc as a stop gap. So this proves wah can be acheived by the Club for its members
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Post by Roy of the Rovers on Apr 29, 2005 22:39:14 GMT
Phil, you say Wadhams has sorted this but I have heard from several sources including regional club reps that the wadhams ones don't last more than a year or two of day to day wear. Some people are willing to spend more (or less!) on the 'proper' parts to ensure their car stays on the road for longer. I applaud Wadhams for being a parts supplier but people don't go to him for everything otherwise he could charge what he wants for whatever he wanted.
This forum is to share information remember regardless of whether its with the club or P5 ownership in general.
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Apr 30, 2005 8:35:10 GMT
:)I agree but very few people care to share the experiences as can be seen by the number of contributors to this board and the mag. Those that do are to be congratulated even if its only asking a question
As regards the Wadhams bushes I have had a set on for 13 years - they have seen the new springs out and another set on the much heavier Mk11 Coupe for 7 years although both are showing signs of cracking and have done for many years.
For such a Heath Robinson set up even on the originals its surprising how well they work
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