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Post by mh007 on Feb 24, 2013 12:46:03 GMT
Very well done indeed !
I thinl it will be a brilliant service to owners & I for one will be using it !
It will be interesting to see if other parts can be done using the same process too.
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Post by Mr Pelham on Feb 24, 2013 17:30:40 GMT
If i found myself in a less financially embarrased state to that to which i have become accustomed, i would be joining the queue to get mine done. It is very encouraging to see new ways of preserving and improving our cars being developed with cost effectiveness taken into account. I think it will be popular and successful too but the key for many will be the revelation in Take 5 and the healthy club member discount that may go with it! Good deals on products like these may bridge the gap between forum and club membership?! Maybe a wheel and tyre combo could be developed as there have been deals on tyres too? Well done to John W, as soon as i can perfect a way to run a Rover V8 on rain water i will be placing my order!! Here ends my sunday sermon, you may go in peace!!!
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Post by mh007 on Feb 24, 2013 19:11:09 GMT
Something has just occured to me with this:
Assuming the whole wheel will be done in the 'chrome-like' finish, that will mean that the segment area's will then have to be 'keyed in' to make the satin Black take wouldn't it ?
Will this not run the risk of affecting the lacquer on the rest of the wheel (around the edges of the segments) ?
I suppose there is no way the finish could be offered with the segments already done & then the whole wheel lacquered as that would make the Black segments too glossy ?
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Feb 24, 2013 19:36:28 GMT
Something has just occured to me with this: Assuming the whole wheel will be done in the 'chrome-like' finish, that will mean that the segment area's will then have to be 'keyed in' to make the satin Black take wouldn't it ? Will this not run the risk of affecting the lacquer on the rest of the wheel (around the edges of the segments) ? I suppose there is no way the finish could be offered with the segments already done & then the whole wheel lacquered as that would make the Black segments too glossy ? I did cover this question earlier the segments would need outlining with fine line tape then the rest of the area masked using masking tape with whatever you choose to go along with the tape brown paper? newspaper? then the segment area prepared using a Scotchbrite Pad then sprayed with a 2k Satin Black which is a Semi Gloss. I have had one quote to do the segments of £180 of which 4 hours is for masking up so is about right as I have done a few and no I don't want to do the job I am too busy it really is a job anyone can do with a bit of time and practice and a couple of tins of spray paint
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Feb 24, 2013 22:14:31 GMT
The Satin black did not stick well to the chrome versions originally - I am sure it can be made to key to the laquer better
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Post by David on Feb 25, 2013 16:58:11 GMT
With Rostyle advertised at £432 against £160 per wheel (P5 Club members) this really is a huge saving. Again, well done David Green and John.
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Post by mh007 on Feb 25, 2013 18:33:38 GMT
Something has just occured to me with this: Assuming the whole wheel will be done in the 'chrome-like' finish, that will mean that the segment area's will then have to be 'keyed in' to make the satin Black take wouldn't it ? Will this not run the risk of affecting the lacquer on the rest of the wheel (around the edges of the segments) ? I suppose there is no way the finish could be offered with the segments already done & then the whole wheel lacquered as that would make the Black segments too glossy ? I did cover this question earlier the segments would need outlining with fine line tape then the rest of the area masked using masking tape with whatever you choose to go along with the tape brown paper? newspaper? then the segment area prepared using a Scotchbrite Pad then sprayed with a 2k Satin Black which is a Semi Gloss. I have had one quote to do the segments of £180 of which 4 hours is for masking up so is about right as I have done a few and no I don't want to do the job I am too busy it really is a job anyone can do with a bit of time and practice and a couple of tins of spray paint Out of curiosity, is the quote of £180 to do the segments per wheel please ? That may sound like a silly question but I have no idea how long it would take but I imagine it could be tedious !
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Feb 25, 2013 18:59:34 GMT
I did cover this question earlier the segments would need outlining with fine line tape then the rest of the area masked using masking tape with whatever you choose to go along with the tape brown paper? newspaper? then the segment area prepared using a Scotchbrite Pad then sprayed with a 2k Satin Black which is a Semi Gloss. I have had one quote to do the segments of £180 of which 4 hours is for masking up so is about right as I have done a few and no I don't want to do the job I am too busy it really is a job anyone can do with a bit of time and practice and a couple of tins of spray paint Out of curiosity, is the quote of £180 to do the segments per wheel please ? That may sound like a silly question but I have no idea how long it would take but I imagine it could be tedious ! As above it takes about an hour a wheel using fine line tape very tedious but it's only patience and the price was for the set but probably take at least a week maybe 2 extra as it involves more moving via some means which adds to both time and costs! I had thought of a throw away stick on template but again its costs and probably a lot of trial and error getting a sharp edge and the segments are not identical which doesn't help
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2013 19:58:29 GMT
Perhaps it would be a good idea if we could have a poll to see if members would prefer this process being offered to treat bumper blades. I would guess that more people need help in that direction rather than wheels.
To be honest, I don't see much take up for the wheels.If you've got a concours car only chrome will do. If you've got a condition 1 car your chrome is probably going to be ok. If you've got a condition 2 car, having the wheels done is going to show everything else up and if you've got a condition 3 car you're not going to be bothered anyway as the total cost of £800 plus carriage will be more than the value of the car! I also assume that all 5 wheels will need to be done to preserve uniformity?
For the sake of everybody involved, we need to judge the likely take up especially as some members will not have the skill,time or inclination to paint the segments.
Just trying to add some realism to the thread.
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Post by GlennR on Feb 25, 2013 22:22:59 GMT
Well done John. They do look good. Thanks for putting in the time too. I am sure it is very much appreciated
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Post by roverp5b on Feb 25, 2013 22:37:22 GMT
Excellent effort a marvellous option for everyone in the future, well done John and David. watching the video it's really clever, many different uses even for blinging up modern cars. Interesting to see how the bumpers will come up
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Feb 26, 2013 9:35:05 GMT
Perhaps it would be a good idea if we could have a poll to see if members would prefer this process being offered to treat bumper blades. I would guess that more people need help in that direction rather than wheels. To be honest, I don't see much take up for the wheels.If you've got a concours car only chrome will do. If you've got a condition 1 car your chrome is probably going to be ok. If you've got a condition 2 car, having the wheels done is going to show everything else up and if you've got a condition 3 car you're not going to be bothered anyway as the total cost of £800 plus carriage will be more than the value of the car! I also assume that all 5 wheels will need to be done to preserve uniformity? For the sake of everybody involved, we need to judge the likely take up especially as some members will not have the skill,time or inclination to paint the segments. Just trying to add some realism to the thread. I din't answer this last night Richard I had to have a think on how to reply The wheel exercise was to help with keeping the look of the P5b at a reasonable cost not to say it is "Chrome" the "Look" is Chrome and it stands up very well and in many ways it is more durable when it comes to everyday use as the wheel it totally sealed. If you are showing in Concourse or Master Class yes you would probably use the Chroming process but for a lot of shows it wouldn't matter, I have seen Chrome wheels done by Richard Spratley a couple of years old and in a poor state so my thoughts were for the average owner to have a good weather proof everyday wheel which you can polish and will keep looking good not to say these are Chrome Wheels. In regards to masking the wheels my wife could do it I know she is very apt at making Cards but it is a simple process time consuming maybe but far from difficult. I don't need to do a poll the wheel process is available if no one wants it fair enough it's their choice I am not saying this is the way you should go! the Bumper Blade will be done and a couple of more bits to see the result I cant say how they will look it has taken enough expense time and effort to get this result! but we will see how they turn out?
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Post by David on Feb 26, 2013 10:09:12 GMT
Well put John. Don't be disheartened as the vast majority here appreciate all your efforts. I for one would be quite happy with the 'new' process. Having to constantly clean chrome wheels and protect them to ensure no road salt attacks the surface was always a hassle. With the lacquer finish the wheel will be much better protected and much easier to keep it that way. I have judged concourse a number of times in the past and if there was a part of the car which was found in need of finishing, it was the wheels. I am sure this process would have been used when the wheels were being manufactured. I have also painted the segments on my old car. Patience and more patience is all that is needed.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2013 10:22:01 GMT
I'm not trying to pour cold water on the project, I just didn't want people going ahead and wasting their time setting things up if there was no demand. If the process is very much "as and when needed" then fair enough.I look forward to seeing the results on the bumper blade.
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Feb 26, 2013 10:49:21 GMT
I'm not trying to pour cold water on the project, I just didn't want people going ahead and wasting their time setting things up if there was no demand. If the process is very much "as and when needed" then fair enough.I look forward to seeing the results on the bumper blade. I understand Richard
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Post by mh007 on Feb 26, 2013 10:59:32 GMT
I think it's a superb alternative & appreciate all the work that has gone into this by all concerned.
It's also nice to see the 'option' of having the segments done (at extra cost) or DIY as i'm sure there will be owners that would like that option.
As said before, I for one will be using this service very soon & if other parts can be done with the same process, it would be fantastic.
Once again, a superb effort.
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Post by tonyl on Feb 26, 2013 13:07:18 GMT
Moss Europe (and probably others) do a wheel mask for 4 spoke Midget Rostyles for about £20. Something like that for the bigger P5B wheels would be useful to members/owners who want to spruce chrome wheels up a bit, as well as those who want to finish their painted wheels. Maybe one for the club spares supremo to consider? There might not be enough demand to justify whatever tooling would be needed, of course. I expect there are many more Rostyles on Midgets than there are on P5Bs.
Getting rid of the Hammerite applied by my dad in the late 1970s to the black sections will help my wheels look a lot better but I may well be in line for a set of painted wheels when the time comes. The trouble is that I'm not that keen on being an early adopter of anything and £800 is a lot to spend on a process whose longevity is unproven. Ideally, I'd like to see a set which has been on a 'daily driver' for a year or two before committing.
I've started to write this post several times and I hope I don't offend those who do endless work for the club to whom I am as grateful as anyone. However, I do have a further reservation/question and maybe the best thing is just to state it. Is there a reason for the steps which seem to be being taken to hide the identity and location of the supplier?
Tony
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Feb 26, 2013 13:48:45 GMT
Moss Europe (and probably others) do a wheel mask for 4 spoke Midget Rostyles for about £20. Something like that for the bigger P5B wheels would be useful to members/owners who want to spruce chrome wheels up a bit, as well as those who want to finish their painted wheels. Maybe one for the club spares supremo to consider? There might not be enough demand to justify whatever tooling would be needed, of course. I expect there are many more Rostyles on Midgets than there are on P5Bs. Getting rid of the Hammerite applied by my dad in the late 1970s to the black sections will help my wheels look a lot better but I may well be in line for a set of painted wheels when the time comes. The trouble is that I'm not that keen on being an early adopter of anything and £800 is a lot to spend on a process whose longevity is unproven. Ideally, I'd like to see a set which has been on a 'daily driver' for a year or two before committing. I've started to write this post several times and I hope I don't offend those who do endless work for the club to whom I am as grateful as anyone. However, I do have a further reservation/question and maybe the best thing is just to state it. Is there a reason for the steps which seem to be being taken to hide the identity and location of the supplier? Tony I understand your reservations Tony the wheels will have a two year warranty against corrosion so what would you think would be a better idea spend 2 years appraising them? Hiding the supplier no! that will be David Green if you mean the guy who will be doing the wheels that's the way he wants it dealing with one person otherwise he would have extra work dealing with wheels or whatever from all over the place! makes sense to me if you wanted parts from a well known supplier would he/she give you the manufacturer! NO they have put in the effort to get the items made, not the reason in this case but the principal is still the same BTW a good secondhand wheel with reasonable/good chrome will set you back at least £80+ David could sell them all day long at that! and no chrome 40 plus years old is good 60's chrome was rubbish compared with today IMHO.
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Post by GlennR on Feb 26, 2013 15:12:57 GMT
I've started to write this post several times and I hope I don't offend those who do endless work for the club to whom I am as grateful as anyone. However, I do have a further reservation/question and maybe the best thing is just to state it. Is there a reason for the steps which seem to be being taken to hide the identity and location of the supplier? Tony I'd be dammed if I would give the name of my supplier. There are no"Steps" being taken to hide the identity of the supplier. If it was revealed the poor company or individual would be inundated with calls regarding the product. They would probably stop doing them due to all the hassle as I am sure they may well have many jobs to do for other companies.
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Post by mh007 on Feb 26, 2013 17:28:05 GMT
Oh dear .................where is this theead going !!!!
I was enjoying it at first, now it's not quite so enjoyable.
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Feb 26, 2013 17:44:57 GMT
Oh dear .................where is this theead going !!!! I was enjoying it at first, now it's not quite so enjoyable. Nothing to get concerned about good healthy discussion
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Post by David on Feb 26, 2013 19:15:10 GMT
Healthy discussion and concerns are always welcome. For those not familiar with David Green, he is a highly respected Rover 5 specialist, with a great reputation for customer service. As for John Wallett? A legend in his own lunchtime, though still not sure when he finds time for food, as many here will agree. As you were.
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Post by Mr Pelham on Feb 26, 2013 19:39:31 GMT
Yeah, lets not take the shine off it........sorry i'm going now.
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Post by tonyl on Feb 26, 2013 19:54:51 GMT
[/quote]I'd be dammed if I would give the name of my supplier. There are no"Steps" being taken to hide the identity of the supplier. If it was revealed the poor company or individual would be inundated with calls regarding the product. They would probably stop doing them due to all the hassle as I am sure they may well have many jobs to do for other companies.[/quote]
Given the previous posts regarding a lack of interest, I suggest 'inundated' is perhaps too strong a word. Anyway, in a recession, is it a bad thing to have enquiries?
However, setting that issue aside, I'll tell you one of the reasons I raised the point. A while ago I bought some odds and ends from a chap in the Midlands and, while we were chatting, he asked whether I'd noticed his wheels. He said they were simply polished steel, with a coat of lacquer, which wore down after a while, requiring further attention. The shiny bits weren't of course anything like chrome but looked relatively presentable from a distance. He went on to say that he'd had a chrome paint/lacquer preparation applied by a company (again in the Midlands) some years ago. It had initially looked the part but had gone rusty well within a year. He took them back and they were redone for nothing, as one would expect. By the time that application had gone rusty after a further few months, the company was gone and he was left considerably out of pocket with awful looking wheels. The rust had appeared first in the join between the rim and the disc. Since then, he'd polished the steel and lacquered them himself every couple of years.
Roll the clock forward a few years and where would people be if something similar happens with the product and company providing the service to David? Members will have a dilemma. David probably can't help them or give them their money back. Do they pursue a fellow member in the small claims court or just write it off to experience? Non-members won't have any such scruples, I would suggest. £800 is a lot of money to put down to experience, at least for me. I suppose we will all have a different threshold for that.
Basically, I would prefer not to be the member with the dilemma.
Tony
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Post by lagain on Feb 26, 2013 20:01:35 GMT
I have not been following this thread, but have just looked through it and am wondering why the need to spray the black bits of the wheels. I am fortunate as my wheels are OK, but I did repaint the satin black inserts, by hand with a good quality brush, it took me most of the day and I remember it well as it was the day that Charles and Diana got married ! If you spray there will be lines where the tape has been
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