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Post by v8pilot on Mar 10, 2013 20:59:50 GMT
Hi John
How about a little etticate especially as you are a moderator(whatever that means!) I have had Rovers for decades and many other classic cars and have always wanted to get involved with the forum and have only been able to do so just recently after a lot of help from my family. I have quite a few friends with P5's, both in the club and outside, so I (and they)were taken aback with your criticism of my inoffensive posting about wheels, being labelled as 'inane and narrow minded'.
I hope I others are not subjected to such comments again as I wanted to join the club and I am now having second thoughts.
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Mar 10, 2013 22:31:29 GMT
Hi John How about a little etticate especially as you are a moderator(whatever that means!) I have had Rovers for decades and many other classic cars and have always wanted to get involved with the forum and have only been able to do so just recently after a lot of help from my family. I have quite a few friends with P5's, both in the club and outside, so I (and they)were taken aback with your criticism of my inoffensive posting about wheels, being labelled as 'inane and narrow minded'. I hope I others are not subjected to such comments again as I wanted to join the club and I am now having second thoughts. I am sorry if I offended but when something is slated without any knowledge I think the comment inane and narrow minded was justified I didn't say you were, I found it offensive after the time and personal cost involved, but I have got over it! I spend a lot of time and I don't need to helping others out and enjoy it this is a solution for guys to keep the Rostyle wheel without the gross expense of chrome! I know what it costs doing the splitting chroming and assembling for myself. The enjoyment for me is the solving a problem like a couple more I am working on! the wheel project is handed over to David Green a reputable Rover spares supplier for many years. If its only 4 wheels BTW it's £640 inc not plus vat against £749 for 2 elsewhere! Ask a load of people who bought Chrome wheels from R Spratley how long they lasted  If my or your wheels flexed the chrome would crack ("what joint by the way") never mind anything else why are the wheels from those mentioned the real deal. I am also a pensioner and a Rover owner of many decades, thank god my pension is more than £800! Quote I can understand why (was it Tony?) was expressing concern over spending £800 for a set of wheels, because lets face it, £800 is more than my pension and I guess most people will be very suspicious of a new untried technology when for what £360 ish per wheel from JRW, MWS , etc, they get the real deal-without any anxiety of how long they will last and no painting afterwards. What happens when the wheel flex's going around corners at the joint, will it break the lacquer and start rusting? I am raiding another tube of autosolv for my motorbike chrome rims to attack my Rostyles and let someone else risk £800!
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Post by David on Mar 11, 2013 9:35:12 GMT
Reading Johns reply I think it was posted as much out of frustration as anything else. He has spent lots of time and money sourcing an alternative to the chrome wheels currently on offer from other suppliers. So to have a 'new' member post such unfounded comments can be a little annoying.
V8pilot, you have recommended Mr Wadhams in almost all your previous posts from carpets to wheels, which is fine. This I can understand, as you are located in the West Midlands, so the company is very close to you. But please do not try and find fault, where none exists, when an alternative supplier is found.
Going back to the wheels and at the risk again of repeating myself, if anyone has the slightest concerned about longevity, then the two year warranty (not available on chrome wheels) would alleviate that concern.?
As you were!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2013 9:54:38 GMT
Why can someone get so touchy with a person doing his best? Well done John...let them post photos of their own cars and we'll see who's opinion we fancy.
Even better let them source their own lower cost Rostyle alternatives.
Cyf you should understand that most Brits use the word etiquette!
I have no problem with old larger engined Fords but definitely prefer P5B's and can definitely understand if a Pilot owner has been wanting to join this club for years.
Time for another coffee!!
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Post by norvin on Mar 11, 2013 11:52:10 GMT
I must say for what it is worth that I agree with all that David (admin) has said on this subject.
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Post by Mr Pelham on Mar 11, 2013 15:41:56 GMT
I can see this from both sides. John Ws work is to be commended, anyone who puts time and effort in helping me to preserve and improve my car in a cost effective way is a good thing as far as i can see. Im sure having given the effort for this project, to read any detracting opinion would be demoralising, but lets not make V8 pilot a Pariah here. Communication in a text only format is often misinterpreted and i would like to think the tone of V8 pilots message was not meant to offend it is a viewpoint based on his opinion and circumstances, that shouldn't render it invalid. My concern is where the comments are heading next, as far as remarks on spelling errors (guilty) comparisons of quality of cars (mines pretty shabby)preference of marque(Ford Sierra or Peugeot Gti...sorry) or level of income (sorrowfully low) come on guys, all of us own P5s right so we own a gentlemans club on wheels lets make sure we keep our gentlemanly standards up! I'm a newboy too, so i hope i dont speak out of turn, but the more people on this forum the more may join the club, my own situation doesnt allow me a very active role in club activities but i feel more involved thanks to this forum, i would imagine lots of others fit a similar profile. Lets not scare off new members to either forum or club. John W i hope the appreciation for your work shows up as lots of orders, i hope hints ive given at home gets me a set for my 40th! V8 pilot I hope you keep expressing your opinions as surely thats what these forums are all about? I wish you all the feeling of quiet calm that only a pleasant drive in a P5 can give.
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Post by David on Mar 11, 2013 16:30:04 GMT
A balance post MrT.  As you say interpretation on a forum can be read a number of ways. Why V8pilot is now reconsidering not joining the club simply because of one comment is a little strange.  The hope/plan is to have a set of wheels and the stainless steel bumpers on show at this years National in Deene Park in September, should anyone wish to see them before they hand over folding money. If they cannot wait till then, I am happy to arrange some examples on the club stand at this years Bristol Classic Car Show in April. |
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Post by mh007 on Mar 11, 2013 18:53:41 GMT
Hi David
Some examples at the Bristol Classic Car Show in April would be great if possible as i'll be there !
Thanks
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Post by newboy on Mar 11, 2013 20:52:11 GMT
I know I'm completely new to this forum and may not have participated a great deal but if you'd like a fresh outsider perspective on this, I agree with Mr Taylor that perception of text can often be misconstrued as it isn't accompanied by either vocal inflection or visual signals. However as a newboy I have the impression of this being a somewhat cliquish club if you'll pardon my candour. I sincerely hope that I'm wrong but that has been my initial impression.
I happen to be a member of the D2boysclub (landrover discovery 2 owners) and the P5 club could learn a great deal from them. That IS a collective whose only interest is helping D2 owners get the best out of the vehicle and is a real base for assistance and camaraderie. In the 2 years plus that I have been a member, I can't recall one comment that wasn't meant to be either, useful, helpful or instructive.
There are threads full of step by step instructions for repairs/replacements/upgrades and refurbishment all accompanied by corresponding step by step photos and that's just one of their countless positive aspects. It's full of encouragement and friendship as well as technical help and it's ALL free (although I make an unsolicited donation towards running costs).
I've paid an 18 month membership fee here and have already had second thoughts.
Just my opinion chaps.
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Post by mh007 on Mar 11, 2013 22:15:31 GMT
To be honest, I paid my membership fee last week & after reading the recent post's, I also wondered if it was a wise choice !
I'm a member of the Rover 75&ZT owners club & the ZT 260's club & they are also very friendly clubs (like the club Newboy is a member of)
I have been surprised by some of the post's in this thread alone.
I'm sure it'll all come good in the end.
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Post by David on Mar 11, 2013 23:15:51 GMT
I am surprised that you both feel offended by the previous remarks, or have I missed something? mh007, once I have had confirmation it is 'doable' I will get a wheel for you and any other interested party at the Bristol Show. Newboy, give it time. Like you, I have interest in other marques so also visit other forums. In all the years here, the level of support, advice and people giving freely of their time on this forum I have yet to see bettered, but then again I may be slightly biased No one is ever going to agree every time, that is the nature of a forum. Also this forum is open to all, be they Rover P5 club members or not, so don't shoot the messenger, so to speak.  As you were! |
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Post by mh007 on Mar 12, 2013 10:04:06 GMT
Hi David
I'm not offended by the previous post's, just a little surprised.
I for one am greatly appreciative of all the hard work by all concerned that has gone into to this project & i'm really looking forward to seeing the results.
It appears that this is an even better solution than the original chrome finish which, to be fair, left a lot to be desired especially in terms of longevity.
As long as we accept that it isn't chrome but something very close to it & more durable, you can't ask for much more.
The price is exceptional as far as i'm concerned.
If it is possible to get a sample to the Bristol show, that would be great.
I haven't seen the stainless steel bumpers so still not sure about these however, if the wheel technology could be applied to area's like the bumpers, it could be massively beneficial to all owners.
I look forward to meeting you at the show.
Regards,
Mike
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Post by newboy on Mar 12, 2013 10:59:05 GMT
Hi David,
Like Mike, I'm not remotely offended, just disappointed that someone (v8pilot) couldn't offer a heartfelt opinion without being ridiculed over it. Furthermore, to correct someone over their spelling is ungracious at best. The subscriber may be dyslexic in some degree, spelling may just not be their forte or it may have been a simple error, however, should that disbar them from offering opinion?
Finally, to attempt to embarrass someone over their income level is just beyond the pale. All of these instances occurred within one thread!
Personally, I have been grateful, particularly to you, for helpful responses to the two queries I have posted so far but I do feel that a bit of decorum wouldn't go amiss. Where is the esprit de corps associated with the marque?
I'll leave you to answer to your own question David, and I quote, "......or did I miss something?"
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Mar 12, 2013 12:10:51 GMT
Hi David, Like Mike, I'm not remotely offended, just disappointed that someone (v8pilot) couldn't offer a heartfelt opinion without being ridiculed over it. Furthermore, to correct someone over their spelling is ungracious at best. The subscriber may be dyslexic in some degree, spelling may just not be their forte or it may have been a simple error, however, should that disbar them from offering opinion? Finally, to attempt to embarrass someone over their income level is just beyond the pale. All of these instances occurred within one thread! Personally, I have been grateful, particularly to you, for helpful responses to the two queries I have posted so far but I do feel that a bit of decorum wouldn't go amiss. Where is the esprit de corps associated with the marque? I'll leave you to answer to your own question David, and I quote, "......or did I miss something?" I can accept opinions if there is some prior knowledge or expertise within the subject but neither were the case in the reply by V8pilot hence my reaction, his sole intention was to ridicule the process in favour of other suppliers being the real deal and in saying that "without any knowledge" made the statement the process was not up to what it is intended for! when it in fact has more advantages than chrome on wheels for the every day/show user, Concourse or Master Class is a different matter even then I wonder? As has often said the written word can be misread but I felt not in this case! I made no personal attack on V8pilot I am sure he is a nice chap and I wish him well. As to your statement of embarrassing someone over their income I simply said "thank god my pension is more than £800" and I am glad it is, as should be the case for every OAP! I have GIVEN this project to David Green the initial set up/idea and outlay were mine for the sole purpose of solving an old problem I have plenty to do with my time and now the problem is sorted I have moved on. As far as the forum is concerned it is as David said open to every one and is a very good forum for help and information, there is a lot of knowledgeable guys on here and I cant see why it would make some new members regret their membership in reading one post! So can we move on! |
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Post by v8pilot on Mar 16, 2013 21:35:54 GMT
I can see this from both sides. John Ws work is to be commended, anyone who puts time and effort in helping me to preserve and improve my car in a cost effective way is a good thing as far as i can see. Im sure having given the effort for this project, to read any detracting opinion would be demoralising, but lets not make V8 pilot a Pariah here. Communication in a text only format is often misinterpreted and i would like to think the tone of V8 pilots message was not meant to offend it is a viewpoint based on his opinion and circumstances, that shouldn't render it invalid. My concern is where the comments are heading next, as far as remarks on spelling errors (guilty) comparisons of quality of cars (mines pretty shabby)preference of marque(Ford Sierra or Peugeot Gti...sorry) or level of income (sorrowfully low) come on guys, all of us own P5s right so we own a gentlemans club on wheels lets make sure we keep our gentlemanly standards up! I'm a newboy too, so i hope i dont speak out of turn, but the more people on this forum the more may join the club, my own situation doesnt allow me a very active role in club activities but i feel more involved thanks to this forum, i would imagine lots of others fit a similar profile. Lets not scare off new members to either forum or club. John W i hope the appreciation for your work shows up as lots of orders, i hope hints ive given at home gets me a set for my 40th! V8 pilot I hope you keep expressing your opinions as surely thats what these forums are all about? I wish you all the feeling of quiet calm that only a pleasant drive in a P5 can give. Thank you for your support for my father(V8 Pilot). We as a family were really pleased that after some help he finally managed to sit down at a PC and after some further direction with notes, managed to make his first posting! Unfortunately, he suffers from his nerves which I won't go into the details in this forum, but after the replies he received ridiculing his spelling and his opinions, he has now become withdrawn and for the time being feels unable to post again. We have tried to encourage him, but he was not expecting(or us for that matter) such behaviour, attitudes and fierce condemnation over an untried process. He feels his comments about the 2 pieces of the wheel flexing was valid as there surely is a joint that the lacquer could eventually crack. He was engineer for most of his life and we feel could contribute a lot to this club as he has done to many other institutions over the years. He was particulary upset by the comments from Admin concerning being from the West Midlands and that he must therefore be biased towards JRWadhams Ltd. This could not be further from the truth as he is based 50 miles away and doesn't consider himself to be in the West Midlands-it could be Gloucester, Wales, Oxford, Leicester, etc. I signed up my father and I don't remember having to put the region down, so Admin seems to have done a check on the IP address which has upset my father as it is irrelevant and somewhat disturbing. I am a systems analyst and know that IP addresses cover very broad areas these days. His last words to me on this matter was that he has had 20 years of some of the best service he has ever received from JRWadhams and he has tried the others who could not offer the same broad service, even if he was 100 miles away, he would still have gone to him. V8 Pilots daughter. |
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Post by David on Mar 16, 2013 22:59:28 GMT
Thank you for your reply, V8 pilots (daughter) and your continued support of JRW.
I am sure we all hope he improves soon.
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Post by GlennR on Mar 17, 2013 9:16:06 GMT
Hi David, just out of interest where is the function to perform a spell check? I could see it on the old format but not this one.
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Post by David on Mar 17, 2013 10:11:28 GMT
Hi Glenn
The new version uses the browser spell check, not the Proboards.
Usually these are already running in your browser, but if not then probably easier to Google the info.
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Post by GlennR on Mar 17, 2013 11:12:09 GMT
Many thanks for the answer to my question. Excellent forum btw.IMHO
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2013 11:20:52 GMT
Good to see a daughter heping her Dad. Hope he gets more confident soon.
There's only help on this forum and nothing to menace him. Ony kinship across countries.
Excellent forum and have seen no better.
But we do think and say what we think. Just like your Dad!
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Post by GlennR on Mar 17, 2013 12:00:04 GMT
Well said Peter.
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Post by Mr Pelham on Mar 17, 2013 16:29:01 GMT
It is a good forum, i agree, and what makes it so is the enthusiasm, expertise and experience offered by all those who participate, V8 pilot im sure has a lot of all these 3 factors to offer, i for one am pleased to hear a glowing review of any supplier for our cars and would be more likely to buy from them based on a reference found on this forum, so thanks for that! Keep encouraging your father v8 daughter and i hope i do not over estimate the kinship referred to when i imagine the welcome back he will receive when he is ready to post again. One thing i regret is joining the forum without doing an intro as my first post, ( might just do that belatedly anyway) not sure if V8 pilot did so but if he or v8 daughter(hope you dont mind the name!!!) have the time and inclination to do so i am confident it would be well received. Ahh, another sunday sermon comes to a close, i shall now pass the tray around for your offerings as we sing hymn number 35 from the holy Rover workshop manual......you may go in peace.
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Post by David on Mar 17, 2013 19:02:02 GMT
Getting back to the original thread.
As David Green (Rover P5 & P5B specialist) is offering a discount for Rover P5 Club members, we will have a couple of samples of the ACR's (Alternative Chrome Rostyles) on the Rover P5 Club stand at the Bristol Show in April.
We have not forgotten our non club members, who of course will also be welcome on to the club stand to access these new wheels..
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Post by Mr Pelham on Mar 17, 2013 19:18:58 GMT
Presumeably it would make sound financial sense for a non club member interested in the wheels to join up and qualify for the discounted rate?! Sounds like everybody wins to me! Hopefully lots of posts after the show once people have seen them in the flesh!!
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Post by GlennR on Mar 17, 2013 19:29:16 GMT
Getting back to the original thread. As David Green (Rover P5 & P5B specialist) is offering a discount for Rover P5 Club members, we will have a couple of samples of the ACR's (Alternative Chrome Rostyles) on the Rover P5 Club stand at the Bristol Show in April. We have not forgotten our non club members, who of course will also be welcome on to the club stand to access these new wheels.. That's excellent news David. |
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