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Post by David on Jun 23, 2014 14:50:02 GMT
Once again, you are factually incorrect.
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Post by Steve P5b on Jun 23, 2014 14:53:28 GMT
No. The club will not reply on an open forum regarding club matters. As previously mentioned (and pointed out to 'Resurgam' in the past) the club AGM would be the best option - a day out, an insight in to the day to day running of the club by it's VOLUNTEERS, an opportunity to ask questions and maybe get answers you were not expecting, plus free entry to the Heritage Centre for all Rover P5 Club members who attend. Can we now get this back on subject please. To my knowledge Mr Wadham is BANNED from this forum , how crazy is this? I'd bet the AGM is a bit like this? www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&list=RD3a9OAvqyjn0&v=3a9OAvqyjn0
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 15:09:10 GMT
Once again, you are factually incorrect. Could you enlighten me about which fact is wrong? Are the committee active in reconciling with JRW?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 15:11:10 GMT
No. The club will not reply on an open forum regarding club matters. As previously mentioned (and pointed out to 'Resurgam' in the past) the club AGM would be the best option - a day out, an insight in to the day to day running of the club by it's VOLUNTEERS, an opportunity to ask questions and maybe get answers you were not expecting, plus free entry to the Heritage Centre for all Rover P5 Club members who attend. Can we now get this back on subject please. To my knowledge Mr Wadham is BANNED from this forum , how crazy is this? I'd bet the AGM is a bit like this? www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&list=RD3a9OAvqyjn0&v=3a9OAvqyjn0 LOL, very very funny.
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Post by David on Jun 23, 2014 15:23:58 GMT
Steve
That did make me chuckle. A great British film.
Everyone who joins this forum has to agree to the Terms & Conditions as supplied by Proboards when you join. If you do not agree, then you cannot join the forum. Failure to adhere to these terms could result in the club being prosecuted for comments made here. We have a legal responsibilty to uphold these terms & conditions. I or the moderators would initially edit out any such comments and ask the poster to ensure such type of comments are not repeated. In this instance such a request was ignored, so we were left with little option other than a ban.
In all the years of this site running we have had only one other member who we have had to ban. Considering the number of members I think we are, on the whole, pretty lenient.
This same approach and action would apply to any forum member.
Resurgan, in brief, yes, for a long time.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 15:30:03 GMT
Steve That did make me chuckle. A great British film. Everyone who joins this forum has to agree to the Terms & Conditions as supplied by Proboards when you join. If you do not agree, then you cannot join the forum. Failure to adhere to these terms could result in the club being prosecuted for comments made here. We have a legal responsibilty to uphold these terms & conditions. I or the moderators would initially edit out any such comments and ask the poster to ensure such type of comments are not repeated. In this instance such a request was ignored, so we were left with little option other than a ban. In all the years of this site running we have had only one other member who we have had to ban. Considering the number of members I think we are, on the whole, pretty lenient. This same approach and action would apply to any forum member. Resurgan, in brief, yes, for a long time. A great pity and a shame that things were allowed to get to the stage of an impasse and that our main supplier does not feel able to deal with the people currently running the club.
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Post by Steve P5b on Jun 23, 2014 15:35:44 GMT
The thing with banning folk is you do not give them a chance to contribute (for the benefit of all) anything further. I would have thought removing there post would be a better option. Why not reinstate him and move forward, he above all others would have a deeper knowledge of these cars that we could all benefit from. Peter Sellers character, what, great film.
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Post by Dr Bob on Jun 23, 2014 15:42:13 GMT
I find it concerning as to why the word volunteers is in upper case? I wonder if this is why we might be in this situation... is one of the volunteers the injured party with regard to JRW? in point of fact my opinion expressed earlier should still carry weight and it doesn't really matter who, how many or what the problem is; until there is another JRW out there to compete with them, they are the major lifeline for our cars; we should try to reach an accord where this is understood and a more mutually beneficial relationship is underway again. And a point of order, if one pays one's subs is one not supporting the club and have a voice? - or is it volunteers only? An AGM is a great option for club business, but why wait to a particular day in the year where you physically have to turn up at a location and be present to express a view and get things done? (what about our overseas members?) We have this "forum" here for club members to express there opinions and inform the committee/club on their guidance/opinions - no good? (OED definition of "Forum" - a meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged) To be clear - i am new to the club and I am not trying to step on toes, upset members with genuine beefs with JRW or cause trouble -just looking to ensure we have the best deal and continued supply with our key/only new parts supply line. Either way in the spirit of rapprochement; moving forward and working within the current structure - Could someone more computer literate than I set up a survey and gather some feedback from members prior to the AGM on if we want to build a bridge to JRW? That way the committee will have a mandate to do one thing or the other depending on some general club members feedback - we could set a bar for a minimum number of responses to ensure its a valid survey - or something! Thoughts?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 15:57:50 GMT
I find it concerning as to why the word volunteers is in upper case? I wonder if this is why we might be in this situation... is one of the volunteers the injured party with regard to JRW? in point of fact my opinion expressed earlier should still carry weight and it doesn't really matter who, how many or what the problem is; until there is another JRW out there to compete with them, they are the major lifeline for our cars; we should try to reach an accord where this is understood and a more mutually beneficial relationship is underway again. And a point of order, if one pays one's subs is one not supporting the club and have a voice? - or is it volunteers only? An AGM is a great option for club business, but why wait to a particular day in the year where you physically have to turn up at a location and be present to express a view and get things done? (what about our overseas members?) We have this "forum" here for club members to express there opinions and inform the committee/club on their guidance/opinions - no good? (OED definition of "Forum" - a meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged) To be clear - i am new to the club and I am not trying to step on toes, upset members with genuine beefs with JRW or cause trouble -just looking to ensure we have the best deal and continued supply with our key/only new parts supply line. Either way in the spirit of rapprochement; moving forward and working within the current structure - Could someone more computer literate than I set up a survey and gather some feedback from members prior to the AGM on if we want to build a bridge to JRW? That way the committee will have a mandate to do one thing or the other depending on some general club members feedback - we could set a bar for a minimum number of responses to ensure its a valid survey - or something! Thoughts? Dr Bob. Good points but from what David is indicating, approaches have been made to JRW but he is not responding. We are not privy to the nature of the contact but if the Club is offering an olive branch and Jon is not interested then there doesn't seem to be much point in carrying out a survey. Jon seems to be happy to deal with individuals because we are customers of his business. The problem seems to lie with his relationship with the people or a person currently running this club and not the individual members.Short of a change of committee, there doesn't seem much that can be done to take matters forward.
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Post by David on Jun 23, 2014 16:08:19 GMT
Perhaps I have missed something, but at no point has the club stopped or indeed banned anyone from recommending any supplier on this forum. Forum members have quite rightly in the past recommended the excellent range of products from JRW along with other suppliers including Rimmer Brothers and John Wearing, who both decide not to advertise in the club magazine, yet I do not hear any comments for Rimmers or John Wearing on how badly they are 'supposedly' being treated. Though we would welcome all suppliers to advertise in Take Five (favourable rates, discounts available ) , if they decide not to, this is their choice.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 17:22:30 GMT
I find it concerning as to why the word volunteers is in upper case? I wonder if this is why we might be in this situation... is one of the volunteers the injured party with regard to JRW? in point of fact my opinion expressed earlier should still carry weight and it doesn't really matter who, how many or what the problem is; until there is another JRW out there to compete with them, they are the major lifeline for our cars; we should try to reach an accord where this is understood and a more mutually beneficial relationship is underway again.
And a point of order, if one pays one's subs is one not supporting the club and have a voice? - or is it volunteers only? An AGM is a great option for club business, but why wait to a particular day in the year where you physically have to turn up at a location and be present to express a view and get things done? (what about our overseas members?)
We have this "forum" here for club members to express there opinions and inform the committee/club on their guidance/opinions - no good? (OED definition of "Forum" - a meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged)
To be clear - i am new to the club and I am not trying to step on toes, upset members with genuine beefs with JRW or cause trouble -just looking to ensure we have the best deal and continued supply with our key/only new parts supply line.
Either way in the spirit of rapprochement; moving forward and working within the current structure - Could someone more computer literate than I set up a survey and gather some feedback from members prior to the AGM on if we want to build a bridge to JRW? That way the committee will have a mandate to do one thing or the other depending on some general club members feedback - we could set a bar for a minimum number of responses to ensure its a valid survey - or something!
Thoughts?
Dr BOB You made this comment, As i have told resurgam on several occassions that if you have any questions you want answers to regarding the running of the club etc then in your take 5 magazine on the back page is the contact details for all the committee members including myself. you can contact any of us at any time and ask us anything and if that person cannot give you an answer then we will take it to committee which meets 4 times a year outside the the agm meeting. we will then discuss your comments in great detail and if an answer is made at that meeting the person yopu spoke to will then contact you with the answers. it that easy. The discussion of club matters is not for a open forum and therefor will not be discussed by any committee member on a open forum. we have a committtee meeting coming up in august so if you want anything raising then email me at repcoordinator@roverp5club.org.uk and i will take it to the committee on your behalf
I hope this helps regards Paul Mckay Regional Rep Coordinator Events Coordintor Hampshire Regional Rep
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 17:46:41 GMT
It would seem the problems are deep seated and bad feeling exists on both sides. Neither JRW or the Rover club seem to need each other to survive and neither actively penalise the customers or members of the other. Maybe its time to put this to bed and the two 'sides' can just agree to disagree?.
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Post by Welsh Warlock on Jun 23, 2014 18:09:22 GMT
I know only a little of the history between cub and JRW but I suspect those commenting know little or anything of it. JRW operates on a commercial basis, he decides how he deals with any given situation. The club exists to serve its members. The committee decide on a strategy to deal with any given situation, including that which exists between it and JRW based upon being in full possession of the facts. If the members don't like the decision they are at liberty to say so through the correct channels as pointed out by Paul McKay. If the committee still make a decision the majority don't like then the majority at the AGM are able to vote in an alternative committee from the queue of people forming and offering their service as officers and committee members. See you all at the AGM in October when we can go through the feedback received through the correct channels.
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Post by Steve P5b on Jun 23, 2014 19:19:21 GMT
Has this anything to do with bumpers ?
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Post by Welsh Warlock on Jun 23, 2014 22:14:57 GMT
Bit rich when you were one of the protagonists of taking it off topic Steve but good to see its heading back where it should be.
Maybe start a thread in the members area about JRW etc?
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Post by stantondavies on Jun 23, 2014 22:46:27 GMT
See you all at the AGM in October when we can go through the feedback received through the correct channels. I've never understood why the AGM isn't held at the National Rally. More efficient timewise and cost effective. And more convenient for members.
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Post by Welsh Warlock on Jun 24, 2014 8:33:05 GMT
I have suggested it on more than one occasion but the committee say they are busy with the National.
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Post by Dr Bob on Jun 24, 2014 8:44:26 GMT
I find it concerning as to why the word volunteers is in upper case? I wonder if this is why we might be in this situation... is one of the volunteers the injured party with regard to JRW? in point of fact my opinion expressed earlier should still carry weight and it doesn't really matter who, how many or what the problem is; until there is another JRW out there to compete with them, they are the major lifeline for our cars; we should try to reach an accord where this is understood and a more mutually beneficial relationship is underway again. And a point of order, if one pays one's subs is one not supporting the club and have a voice? - or is it volunteers only? An AGM is a great option for club business, but why wait to a particular day in the year where you physically have to turn up at a location and be present to express a view and get things done? (what about our overseas members?) We have this "forum" here for club members to express there opinions and inform the committee/club on their guidance/opinions - no good? (OED definition of "Forum" - a meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged) To be clear - i am new to the club and I am not trying to step on toes, upset members with genuine beefs with JRW or cause trouble -just looking to ensure we have the best deal and continued supply with our key/only new parts supply line. Either way in the spirit of rapprochement; moving forward and working within the current structure - Could someone more computer literate than I set up a survey and gather some feedback from members prior to the AGM on if we want to build a bridge to JRW? That way the committee will have a mandate to do one thing or the other depending on some general club members feedback - we could set a bar for a minimum number of responses to ensure its a valid survey - or something! Thoughts? Dr BOB You made this comment, As i have told resurgam on several occassions that if you have any questions you want answers to regarding the running of the club etc then in your take 5 magazine on the back page is the contact details for all the committee members including myself. you can contact any of us at any time and ask us anything and if that person cannot give you an answer then we will take it to committee which meets 4 times a year outside the the agm meeting. we will then discuss your comments in great detail and if an answer is made at that meeting the person yopu spoke to will then contact you with the answers. it that easy. The discussion of club matters is not for a open forum and therefor will not be discussed by any committee member on a open forum. we have a committtee meeting coming up in august so if you want anything raising then email me at repcoordinator@roverp5club.org.uk and i will take it to the committee on your behalf I hope this helps regards Paul Mckay Regional Rep Coordinator Events Coordintor Hampshire Regional Rep Thanks Paul - just seems like a bonkers situation really to a lay man/ new member like me and clearly there is some history that the members are in the dark about so I will leave it with you. I feel sure the committee will do what's best For the club/members.
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Post by Steve P5b on Jun 24, 2014 9:09:11 GMT
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Post by kaiser on Sept 27, 2014 3:03:29 GMT
This is a great shame, these bumpers look absolutely superb. I find it strange that the fixings are welded in position with small holes and no "wiggle" room. And clearly in quite the wrong places?? Why on earth didn't they get the positioning right for a start, that really is a no-brainer. But clearly the manufacturer is working off a drawing and has maybe never tried to fit the items. If I manufactured these, I would get welder/maker out of the factory and get him to fit a set of bumpers. It is amazing what that sometimes can do for the product. Supplying parts like these, there must even be occasions where, even if perfectly copied, the items might not fit, if the car has had a bump during its life. Thinking in general, the fixings could be made so much better, to provide adjustment from the factory, and a bit of thought in this area would bring the producer immense benefits, as surely this is not just a problem with our cars. Longer, wider slots with a moving nut, could be an answer. Longer bolts could be supplied with a small hacksaw, to trim, if required. To argue back and forth is really silly, a solution is easy, if you are willing to accept "adapted" fixings. I certainly would not mind a bit of "lebensraum" that would aid perfect fit, especially at the back of the bumper. I for one would not mind fiddling a bit, but to grind of lugs and re-weld to make an item fit is unacceptable. As for Wadhams, I have used him in the past, and not knowing the history behind the argument, I would say that grown men should be able to look past this. I know it is sometimes not possible, but an effort really should be made to focus our intentions on keeping our cars going. If anybody truly have these interests at heart he should be able to become a member of this club and he should of course also behave. I thought "banning" went out with the Spanish Inquisition , if it didn't, it certainly ought to, in my view !
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2014 10:02:26 GMT
This is a great shame, these bumpers look absolutely superb. I find it strange that the fixings are welded in position with small holes and no "wiggle" room. And clearly in quite the wrong places?? Why on earth didn't they get the positioning right for a start, that really is a no-brainer. But clearly the manufacturer is working off a drawing and has maybe never tried to fit the items. If I manufactured these, I would get welder/maker out of the factory and get him to fit a set of bumpers. It is amazing what that sometimes can do for the product. Supplying parts like these, there must even be occasions where, even if perfectly copied, the items might not fit, if the car has had a bump during its life. Thinking in general, the fixings could be made so much better, to provide adjustment from the factory, and a bit of thought in this area would bring the producer immense benefits, as surely this is not just a problem with our cars. Longer, wider slots with a moving nut, could be an answer. Longer bolts could be supplied with a small hacksaw, to trim, if required. To argue back and forth is really silly, a solution is easy, if you are willing to accept "adapted" fixings. I certainly would not mind a bit of "lebensraum" that would aid perfect fit, especially at the back of the bumper. I for one would not mind fiddling a bit, but to grind of lugs and re-weld to make an item fit is unacceptable. As for Wadhams, I have used him in the past, and not knowing the history behind the argument, I would say that grown men should be able to look past this. I know it is sometimes not possible, but an effort really should be made to focus our intentions on keeping our cars going. If anybody truly have these interests at heart he should be able to become a member of this club and he should of course also behave. I thought "banning" went out with the Spanish Inquisition , if it didn't, it certainly ought to, in my view ! I don't know what the latest update is but they are supposed to have addressed the fitting issue and other quality problems but I don't suppose the average Vietnamese welder is very familiar with the Rover P5! I certainly agree with your comments about the club and its relationship with some suppliers especially as it now looks as if the few spares the club does supply are going to be rundown because nobody can be found to take on the post
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Post by labeline on Oct 1, 2014 21:50:32 GMT
Wow, Interesting thread., read all the way through it. Just like the Cobra Replica Owners Club! Can't wait to read the outcome as to whether the Harrington issue is resolved. Note to self, If you buy a P5b make sure the bumpers don't need replacing!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 16:46:16 GMT
The P5b abd P5 bumpers are now on Ebay again.They have gone up in price and with postage will cost about £950 the pair. As the commission they pay to ebay will be pretty high if someone does want to have a go with these it must be cheaper (as with most ebay items) to buy direct if you can.
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Post by p5rover on Apr 19, 2015 23:16:30 GMT
Any news on these bumpers? I would like to buy a set if the faults have been sorted out. cyf do you have the bumpers fitted yet and any pictures?
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Post by Welsh Warlock on Apr 20, 2015 8:14:02 GMT
I don't think Cyf is able to devote much time to his cars at the mpment as he has a few major things going on in his life.
The last I heard the issue wasn't resolved by the manufacturer and Cyf was trying to get the bumpers modified to fit by a local company.
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