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Post by colinbg on Oct 15, 2016 17:07:25 GMT
Hi all my rover p5b coupe is low at the back i have replaced the rear shock absorbers as they needed replacing but i think i need new rear springs i have read several posts on here about the springs that J R Wadhams supply but everybody seems to comment on how high the back of the car sits with the springs they supply ie too high does anybody know where i can purchase a pair of new rear springs from or if not where is the nearest place to me to get my old springs re tempered i live in Weymouth Dorset any help would be much appreciated Colin.
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Post by roverp5b on Oct 15, 2016 20:10:12 GMT
Hi all my rover p5b coupe is low at the back i have replaced the rear shock absorbers as they needed replacing but i think i need new rear springs i have read several posts on here about the springs that J R Wadhams supply but everybody seems to comment on how high the back of the car sits with the springs they supply ie too high does anybody know where i can purchase a pair of new rear springs from or if not where is the nearest place to me to get my old springs re tempered i live in Weymouth Dorset any help would be much appreciated Colin. Try Brost Forge they did mine 20 years ago and they still sit well, well worth the postage from your part of the world. 7, 149 Roman Way, London N7 8XH
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Post by lagain on Oct 15, 2016 20:14:36 GMT
You might be able to find someone on the internet who re tempers springs but I would go for a new pair. It will sit higher but will settle after a couple of years. If you are able to it pays to take the new springs apart and coat each leaf with Graphited Grease before fitting on the car
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Post by richardlamsdale on Oct 15, 2016 20:24:15 GMT
I used Brost Forge as well. They can re-set and retemper the originals, and they can remake pretty much any leaf spring as well, so if any leaves are damaged they can replace them. When I was there they'd just made springs for a horse-drawn carriage and some high-end rocking horses, and were fitting new springs to a Sherpa van, so they seem to cover all bases.
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Post by colinbg on Oct 15, 2016 22:46:19 GMT
Thank you for the information i will give them a call on Monday if you think they can re temper them and they stay at the same height and last for quite some time i think it would pay to get my springs re tempered as i expect it will be cheaper. Just a thought J R Wadhams do rear springs one set is described as Heavy Duty rear leaf springs priced at £192 inc vat each item Number P5SUSPSPR1 the other set is described as Rear road springs priced at £159 inc vat each item number P4SUSPSPR4 does anybody know if i purchased a set of the £159 springs each will they sit lower than the heavy duty springs and sit more level and do they fit the Rover P5B coupe year 1972 as i do not have a towbar and do not have any intention of fitting one Thank you all again i am glad i joined this club as there is plenty of people on here with plenty of knowledge i just hope i can help somebody in the future Colin.
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Post by Simon H on Oct 16, 2016 9:37:22 GMT
The £159 ones have a P4 part number...
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Post by colinbg on Oct 16, 2016 17:13:42 GMT
Hi Simon thank you for that now you have pointed it out for me it i see how the part numbers correspond so they will not fit so back to the drawing board i will contact Brost Forge in the morning and see how much it will cost to get mine re tempered because if i buy new ones from J R wadhams from what i have read the car will sit to high at the rear.
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Post by Sam Bee on Oct 16, 2016 20:05:57 GMT
It would be interesting to have an up to date idea of what Borst Forge charge as I will need my springs renovating. Sam
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Post by dicky77 on Oct 17, 2016 22:12:48 GMT
Hi , just to throw in a little more.., Jones Springs in Wednesbury, de arched mine ( JR Wadhams ) which were fitted several years back and sat 55mm too high, giving her that Dragster look... £45.00 each plus Vat, a real bargain in my opinion. The car now sits properly and feels more stable at speed..
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Post by Sam Bee on Feb 12, 2017 14:07:15 GMT
To take this on a step and bring some engineering practice to bear we need the unloaded dimensions of the spring. That is the length - measured between centre of eyes. And height - defined as from a line through both eyes to the top of the spring vertically at its' centre. I emphasis this should be completely unloaded as when the spring is off a car. This then gives a proper comparision to work from with a fair chance of setting the spring correctly. Sam
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Post by Simon H on Feb 12, 2017 16:59:56 GMT
There's only 1 eye...
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Post by Sam Bee on Dec 21, 2017 23:50:04 GMT
Returning to springs as I have made a discovery! When I bought my car over 20 years ago it came with half a garage full of parts. Now that I have started my restoration I have taken a close look and came across a new top leaf, complete with original Unipart lable tied on with sisal string. Now this will give a true 'set' dimension as a guide for re-setting tired springs. I will measure in due course. Sam
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Post by djm16 on Dec 22, 2017 3:22:43 GMT
How about posting a picture, plus measuring the spring curvature?
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Post by OlafR on Dec 22, 2017 10:11:42 GMT
FWIW, I bought (possibly one of the first) new version set of rear leaf springs at Wadhams in September. I had them fitted in October, but sadly, I was only able to drive around a tiny bit, probably a lot less than 100mi, so I can't really have much of a say regarding their quality and their "feel". However, my first impression is that the car seems to sit perfectly well (not too high as was obviously the case with the earlier version) and it also felt quite good during the little distance I covered. I could make a pic whenever I get a chance to get the car out of the garage again. At present it's just too cold, so there's loads of salt on the roads here in Germany. Cheers, Olaf
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Post by richardlamsdale on Dec 22, 2017 12:57:56 GMT
Hi Olaf, are the ones you bought different to the 'heavy duty' ones that Wadhams sell? I can only see the heavy duty ones on their website. If so, what were the differences between the ones you bought and the originals - same number of leaves, and do they have the pads between the leaves? Thanks.
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Post by OlafR on Dec 22, 2017 14:05:22 GMT
Hi Olaf, are the ones you bought different to the 'heavy duty' ones that Wadhams sell? I can only see the heavy duty ones on their website. If so, what were the differences between the ones you bought and the originals - same number of leaves, and do they have the pads between the leaves? Thanks. I bought these here: P5SUSPSPR1. Other than with the older model (which might be what you referred to as "heavy duty"), these come with 5 layers/leaves. The older version had only 3 (much thicker) leaves. Not sure what "pads" you might be refering to. Oh, and if you buy the Wadham springs: no need to buy the clamps separately, the springs come with them. I would suggest you buy a pair of Y-bushes though. Cheers, Olaf
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Post by David on Dec 22, 2017 14:19:03 GMT
A test report on correct rear springs will, I understand appear in the February issue of Take Five. I quote: "Your club has now secured the supply of newly manufactured rear springs to the specification of the original springs fitted to Rover P5 Series Cars. .........."
The offer is strictly ROVER P5 CLUB MEMBERS ONLY. If you are not a member it is still not too late to join: www.roverp5club.org.uk/paypal.htmlMerry Christmas everyone!
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Post by revoxy on Dec 22, 2017 14:31:20 GMT
The springs on my saloon were changed 15+ years ago by a previous owner. I had them off last week and found a sticker on each which shows they were supplied by Wadhams and made by ‘Owen Springs’ in Sheffield ( www.owensprings.co.uk/). They are of the 5 leaf variety and my car does sit quite high. I’m also replacing both rear Y bushes for the second time in two years. Whether it's the quality of the bushes or the heavy springs which causes them to tear, I do not know.
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Post by OlafR on Dec 22, 2017 15:13:31 GMT
The pads are circular nylon discs placed between the leaves to stop any rubbing/friction of the leaves which can lead to fractures and also they were placed to assist lubrication. These were only found on original springs and many will have disintegrated by now. I don't think any replacement springs contain them I suppose one would have to make an inquiry at Wadhams' to find out. Mine are under the car now. :-) Cheers, Olaf
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Post by David on Dec 22, 2017 20:17:35 GMT
David, does this mean that members will be able to obtain OE spec springs which will allow the car to sit at the correct height etc etc? I note that a set of lorry springs from JRW with two new "Y" bushes will cost IRO £600 inc delivery In a nutshell? Yes :-) I quote from a part of the report: 'We have completed a set of road tests and trials on a 1963 P5 Coupe’ under varying conditions of road, speed and loading, so far without issue. Ride comfort, road holding and most importantly ride height has been restored to how it was and should be. '
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Post by ozriderp5 on Dec 22, 2017 21:18:33 GMT
NB. I know nothing about springs and their technical wizardry......
A mate has had a similar issue with his 67 Fairlane here, new rear leaf springs had the back end sky high, he fixed it by removing one of the small leaves.
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Dec 22, 2017 22:41:46 GMT
Wadhams has just had a new batch of 7 leaf springs made which are reported to stand right. They were in stock a fortnight ago
I have recently fitted a new set of 5 leafers from him as a trial. These are excellent and spot on for height. I do not know whether he has any of these in stock now
None of the reman springs have the nylon interleaf disks - these wear through anyway - Denso tape wrapping keeps grease in and grit out for years
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Dec 23, 2017 8:24:44 GMT
None of the reman springs have the nylon interleaf disks - these wear through anyway - Denso tape wrapping keeps grease in and grit out for years Good advice Phil I have used it for 40+ years and have taken stuff off Aerial Towers that has been up for decades and all is 100% under the tape used by the gas supply companies for protecting underground flanges. Gaiters that were on the springs originally lasted a short while before letting in and holding water and dirt, springs need to be maintained like any other part of the car "often overlooked".
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Dec 23, 2017 8:49:01 GMT
I have recently fitted a new set of 5 leafers from him as a trial. These are excellent and spot on for height. I do not know whether he has any of these in stock now Now I know why you were on your hands and knees at the National
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Post by Sam Bee on Dec 23, 2017 18:46:56 GMT
The spring top leaf of which I spoke. First photo on the bench shows writing in yellow, some numbers which mean nothing to me and FROSTS, RYE, the garage where the car was regularly serviced for the first owner up until 1988 Second photo shows measuring method. I did have to relieve some sag due to weight of the spring. True unloaded measurement is 6¼" (for those in metric 158mm). If the line is taken through the centre of the bolt in the bush it is exactly 5½" (139mm). The Metalastic bush is original. Not sure I would trust putting it to use?? Attachment DeletedAttachment Deleted
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