Dean
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Post by Dean on Dec 7, 2021 12:59:38 GMT
Has anyone done a electric conversion to their P5 or know about them ?
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Post by charlie on Dec 7, 2021 20:08:12 GMT
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Dean
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Post by Dean on Dec 8, 2021 11:10:29 GMT
Hi Charlie I would not unless I won the lottery and then you could have the fastest p5 on the planet and shock some people on the road for a laugh. Imagine pulling up against a Porsche or another sports car and leaving them behind that would be great. But then I would also have a completely original p5 as well if money was no object.
I know that is not what the car is about and that is one of the reasons I wanted one to just cruise around and enjoy such a great motor and also not worry about losing my licence after owning a fast car for 5 and a half years. I think that it may be sold next week it pulls at my heart strings but I think it is for the best.
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Post by charlie on Dec 8, 2021 11:48:45 GMT
Hi Charlie I would not unless I won the lottery and then you could have the fastest p5 on the planet and shock some people on the road for a laugh. Imagine pulling up against a Porsche or another sports car and leaving them behind that would be great. But then I would also have a completely original p5 as well if money was no object. I know that is not what the car is about and that is one of the reasons I wanted one to just cruise around and enjoy such a great motor and also not worry about losing my licence after owning a fast car for 5 and a half years. I think that it may be sold next week it pulls at my heart strings but I think it is for the best. I know what you mean about the electric being fast I have driven my friends Tesla half a dozen times, do you mean you may be selling the car you have just brought? |
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Dean
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Post by Dean on Dec 8, 2021 15:40:15 GMT
Hi Charlie I would not unless I won the lottery and then you could have the fastest p5 on the planet and shock some people on the road for a laugh. Imagine pulling up against a Porsche or another sports car and leaving them behind that would be great. But then I would also have a completely original p5 as well if money was no object. I know that is not what the car is about and that is one of the reasons I wanted one to just cruise around and enjoy such a great motor and also not worry about losing my licence after owning a fast car for 5 and a half years. I think that it may be sold next week it pulls at my heart strings but I think it is for the best. I know what you mean about the electric being fast I have driven my friends Tesla half a dozen times, do you mean you may be selling the car you have just brought? No a Audi RS4 I have toyed with the idea of maybe selling it when the Audi goes and getting a car maybe something like Terrys in Malta but the problem I will have then is being worried about the car to much, as it will be to valuable and then a worry to use it and enjoy it. |
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Post by Sam Bee on Dec 8, 2021 18:35:00 GMT
I am just waiting for hydrogen to become more widely available, which it will quite quickly when introduced for lorries and busses. Very similar to an LPG conversion, I understand.
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Post by enigmas on Dec 8, 2021 21:32:14 GMT
Makes absolute sense. Of course there'll be no issues arising from the associated problem of disposing of millions upon millions of extremely toxic batteries!  |
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Post by davewright on Dec 9, 2021 9:30:44 GMT
There is no problem disposing of the batteries as they are 100% recycled. The ingredients go on to make new batteries. Of course you can carry on with single use petrol and diesel that cannot be recycled including the 60% of world's cobalt that is using in the refining of fossil fuels.
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Post by Jens Munk on Dec 9, 2021 10:36:30 GMT
Unfortunately it is not that simple:
I am just waiting for hydrogen to become more widely available, which it will quite quickly when introduced for lorries and busses. Very similar to an LPG conversion, I understand. |
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Post by charlie on Dec 9, 2021 11:04:19 GMT
Scroll down Read Hydrogen FAQS www.toyota.co.uk/new-cars/mirai/My personal view is that when government has got everyone into electric cars it will be a case of getting them out of electric into hydrogen for some reason, I won't be here though so no worries. |
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Post by davewright on Dec 9, 2021 11:36:02 GMT
Scania have stopped development of hydrogen powered lorries because they say electric batteries are good enough and a third of the price to run.
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Post by charlie on Dec 9, 2021 13:12:18 GMT
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Post by Warwick on Dec 24, 2021 5:19:15 GMT
I am just waiting for hydrogen to become more widely available, which it will quite quickly when introduced for lorries and buses. Very similar to an LPG conversion, I understand. Hydrogen in cars scares the hell out of me. Unfortunately, it's nothing like LPG. Unlike LPG, which turns to liquid when compressed to relatively low pressure, hydrogen doesn't. So to get any useful quantity into a cylinder, the pressure has to be very high. That means very strong cylinders or tanks. If these were made out of steel or aluminium, the weight is considerable. So in order to have a fuel tank in a car that will hold enough hydrogen for a reasonable range, without massively overloading the car, the tank has to be made of carbon fibre. That's basically like fibreglass except that it uses carbon fibre and resin. These tanks are very light and exceptionally strong. But, if they are badly scratched or slightly damaged, all that strength is suddenly lost. Not a good situation for a vehicle driven on public roads by the average driver. Also, when hydrogen is used as a fuel, it's not usually in an internal combustion engine, but via a fuel cell to produce electricity to run an electric motor. |
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Post by enigmas on Dec 24, 2021 8:29:40 GMT
Of course electricity is freely available and it's production has absolutely no negative impacts on anything! Doesn't everybody know that. I must revise my thinking. Wind Farms a PerspectiveRight now the average wind farm is about 150 turbines. Each wind turbine needs 80 gallons of oil as lubricant and we're not talking about vegetable oil, this is a PAO synthetic oil based on crude... 12,000 gallons of it. That oil needs to be replaced once a year. It is estimated that a little over 3,800 turbines would be needed to power a city the size of New York... That's 304,000 gallons of refined oil for just one city. Now you have to calculate every city across the nation, large and small, to find the grand total of yearly oil consumption from "clean" energy. Where do you think all that oil is going to come from, the oil fairies? Not to mention the fact that the large equipment needed to build these wind farms run on petroleum. As well as the equipment required for installation, service, maintenance, and eventual removal. And just exactly how eco-friendly is wind energy anyway? Each turbine requires a footprint of 1.5 acres, so a wind farm of 150 turbines needs 225 acres; In order to power a city the size of NYC you'd need 57,000 acres; and who knows the astronomical amount of land you would need to power the entire US. All of which would have to be clear-cut land because trees create a barrier & turbulence that interferes with the 20mph sustained wind velocity necessary for the turbine to work properly (also keep in mind that not all states are suitable for such sustained winds). Boy, cutting down all those trees is gonna piss off a lot of green-loving tree-huggers. Let's talk about disposal now. The lifespan of a modern, top quality, highly efficient wind turbine is 20 years. After that, then what? What happens to those gigantic fiber composite blades? They cannot economically be reused, refurbished, reduced, repurposed, or recycled so guess what..? It's off to special landfills they go. And guess what else..? They're already running out of these special landfill spaces for the blades that have already exceeded their usefulness. Those blades are anywhere from 120 ft. to over 200 ft. long and there are 3 per turbine. And that's with only 7% of the nation currently being supplied with wind energy. Just imagine if we had the other 93% of the nation on the wind grid... 20 years from now you'd have all those unusable blades with no place to put them... Then 20 years after that, and 20 years after that, and so on. Golly gee, how green is that? Oops, I almost forgot about the 500,000 birds that are killed each year from wind turbine blade collisions; most of which are endangered hawks, falcons, owls, geese, ducks, and eagles. Apparently smaller birds are more agile and able to dart and dodge out of the way of the spinning blades, whereas the larger soaring birds aren't so lucky. I'm sure the wildlife conservationist folks are just ecstatic about that. I'm so glad the wind energy people are looking out for the world. I've just bought an energy efficient toaster because my aim is to look after the planet. I'm going to eat less toast. The solution maybe more inline with a mix of energies to meet the needs of this world. |
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Post by Warwick on Dec 24, 2021 11:25:22 GMT
... 12,000 gallons of it. That oil needs to be replaced once a year. It is estimated that a little over 3,800 turbines would be needed to power a city the size of New York... That's 304,000 gallons of refined oil for just one city..... Sorry Vince, but it's not quite as bad as you make it sound. One US gallon is smaller than a proper gallon. |
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Post by charlie on Dec 24, 2021 11:43:38 GMT
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Post by enigmas on Dec 24, 2021 12:48:26 GMT
... 12,000 gallons of it. That oil needs to be replaced once a year. It is estimated that a little over 3,800 turbines would be needed to power a city the size of New York... That's 304,000 gallons of refined oil for just one city..... Sorry Vince, but it's not quite as bad as you make it sound. One US gallon is smaller than a proper gallon. Hi Warwick, It's not my research. I came across it some time ago and thought it an interesting piece. The author has gone to considerable effort to outline not only the resources required, but also illustrate how wind turbines physically impact on the environment. I couldn't locate the original source/author otherwise I would have included a citation. Only the last 2 lines are mine.  |
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Post by Warwick on Dec 24, 2021 12:57:55 GMT
I guessed that you were quoting an article.
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Post by Mike’S-a-loon on Dec 24, 2021 20:54:49 GMT
Merry Christmas!
I just did a quick search, and it appears that most wind turbines use around 60 gallons of oil, and the changes are between 3 and 7 years.
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