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Jan 17, 2013 18:11:04 GMT
Post by eightofthem (Andy) on Jan 17, 2013 18:11:04 GMT
Also from the photos it looks like it has been adjusted ( from where the bolt heads have left a mark on the hinge where it has sat for a while )
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Jan 17, 2013 18:17:35 GMT
Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Jan 17, 2013 18:17:35 GMT
Also from the photos it looks like it has been adjusted ( from where the bolt heads have left a mark on the hinge where it has sat for a while ) quite a few mm Andy
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Jan 18, 2013 15:46:19 GMT
Post by norvin on Jan 18, 2013 15:46:19 GMT
The springs do not keep the bonnet up (do they) they only help lift the bonnet up, the springs have no tension on them when the bonnet is open.
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Jan 18, 2013 19:40:02 GMT
Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Jan 18, 2013 19:40:02 GMT
Well sort of norvin you have I am sure removed the springs with the bonnet open did you have to grunt a bit to get them on
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Jan 18, 2013 19:57:37 GMT
Post by norvin on Jan 18, 2013 19:57:37 GMT
Yes they have been off, not bad getting them back on but they did need a bit if a tug. thanks for all your time John.
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Jan 18, 2013 21:21:22 GMT
Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Jan 18, 2013 21:21:22 GMT
your more than welcome norvin but we still haven't solved your problem?
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Jan 19, 2013 16:32:24 GMT
Post by norvin on Jan 19, 2013 16:32:24 GMT
Thanks John, this could help a lot of owners.
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Jan 19, 2013 19:31:42 GMT
Post by norvin on Jan 19, 2013 19:31:42 GMT
OK thanks John what ever you think is best.
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Jan 19, 2013 21:07:09 GMT
Post by roverp5b on Jan 19, 2013 21:07:09 GMT
Just another idea I heard a while back and that was to cut the spring as mentioned removing a small section threading both ends and installing a long nut with small locking nuts to allow adjustment in the future, 40 years down the line (-; if we are lucky.
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Jan 19, 2013 21:17:40 GMT
Post by norvin on Jan 19, 2013 21:17:40 GMT
Good idea but quite a lot of work.
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Jan 19, 2013 21:46:08 GMT
Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Jan 19, 2013 21:46:08 GMT
Cutting a thread on hardened spring steel is not on but I understand the logic
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Jan 20, 2013 15:14:16 GMT
Post by norvin on Jan 20, 2013 15:14:16 GMT
John it looks good, would love to try it on my bonnet will PM you.
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Jan 20, 2013 15:19:57 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2013 15:19:57 GMT
I've lost track of this post but looking back wasn't the problem a non-standard hinge arrangement as identified by Big Kev? I took a few images of my own bonnet earlier on and all I can say is the set up is ex-factory. I've never touched it or adjusted it in any way. The bonnet has never been off the car and stays up with no problem. It seems well balanced in that the bonnet almost seems locked in position. I thought these images might help. Nearside Nearside Offside Offside
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Jan 20, 2013 15:37:09 GMT
Post by norvin on Jan 20, 2013 15:37:09 GMT
Hi crossplies, no my hinge is standard, what I can see is that your spring is under slight tension as there is a small gap in the bottom coils and my spring is loose on the spring post, so it looks as if John could be spot on from what you say.
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Jan 20, 2013 16:13:02 GMT
Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Jan 20, 2013 16:13:02 GMT
I think Richard it's down to a few factors of wear and things weakening mine stays up but on a windy day it will decide to decapitate anyone having a look I spent a while studying the bracket operation and it will take "very little" extra to just help keep the bonnet open they don't exactly fly up when you open them. I will be posting a spring to norvin and with vince's help we will have an definitive answer
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Jan 21, 2013 10:28:02 GMT
Post by norvin on Jan 21, 2013 10:28:02 GMT
Looks like you were right about the springs John, hope the one you are sending works, fingers crossed. I am now off out to clear the snow from the front of my garage.
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Jan 21, 2013 14:45:50 GMT
Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Jan 21, 2013 14:45:50 GMT
I am going to cut and weld the springs myself as I do have quite a good welder so hope I am up to it, I wedged a screw driver between the spring loop and the spring post on the bonnet hinge to take up some slack and the bonnet stayed up ok. Go for it Brian I am sure you will do a good job
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Jan 21, 2013 16:09:36 GMT
Post by norvin on Jan 21, 2013 16:09:36 GMT
Thanks John, I hope so I have not done any welding for some time, I have cut 1/4"out so they are ready to weld up.
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Jan 23, 2013 3:06:44 GMT
Post by Warwick on Jan 23, 2013 3:06:44 GMT
Good work - another one for SEARCH! This certainly is an important thread. Norvin, How about editing the subject line in your original post to read "Bonnet springs" or "Weak bonnet springs" or something like that. It will make it easier to find using Search in the future.
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Jan 23, 2013 8:54:07 GMT
Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Jan 23, 2013 8:54:07 GMT
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Jan 23, 2013 9:01:56 GMT
Post by norvin on Jan 23, 2013 9:01:56 GMT
When I started this post bonnet will not stay up I had no idea that it would lead to so many members with the same trouble, John working out the problem and then working on a solution, enigmas trying out the solution on his car which had his bonnet staying up for the first time in 20 years without a prop and also my own bonnet as well. shows what we can achieve with the FORUM.
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Mar 4, 2013 14:33:53 GMT
Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2013 14:33:53 GMT
Rather than start a new post I thought I'd add on to this one................ I've been adjusting and altering my bonnet fit for some time and have managed to improve it although the gaps are still bigger than I'd like. I've been told that the saloon and coupe bonnets are in fact different and wonder if this is true. My informant insists the shape where they close to the wings are different and that as a result one can't be easily swapped for the other . Is this an old wifes tale or based on fact? I'm curious.
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Mar 4, 2013 14:53:37 GMT
Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2013 14:53:37 GMT
Rather than start a new post I thought I'd add on to this one................ I've been adjusting and altering my bonnet fit for some time and have managed to improve it although the gaps are still bigger than I'd like. I've been told that the saloon and coupe bonnets are in fact different and wonder if this is true. My informant insists the shape where they close to the wings are different and that as a result one can't be easily swapped for the other . Is this an old wifes tale or based on fact? I'm curious. First I've heard of it.As the P5b Saloon and the Coupe share identical wings, I think it's highly unlikely. The scuttle design is the same as well. I thought the only difference in the bonnets was that the Coupe has fitted lights.
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Mar 4, 2013 18:11:37 GMT
Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Mar 4, 2013 18:11:37 GMT
Rather than start a new post I thought I'd add on to this one................ I've been adjusting and altering my bonnet fit for some time and have managed to improve it although the gaps are still bigger than I'd like. I've been told that the saloon and coupe bonnets are in fact different and wonder if this is true. My informant insists the shape where they close to the wings are different and that as a result one can't be easily swapped for the other . Is this an old wifes tale or based on fact? I'm curious. First I've heard of it.As the P5b Saloon and the Coupe share identical wings, I think it's highly unlikely. The scuttle design is the same as well. I thought the only difference in the bonnets was that the Coupe has fitted lights. You are correct Richard Kev I have PM'd you
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Mar 5, 2013 8:34:25 GMT
Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2013 8:34:25 GMT
After the PM and follow up discussion with John (for which many thanks),I think I can see what's happened. Some of the non original wings are different to those fitted to the cars new in that the angle where they meet the wing is wrong. My informant who like me has a car where some panels have been renewed came to the conclusion that his second hand bonnet (from a saloon) wouldn't fit his coupe because the bonnet and not the wings were at fault,in that they were 'different'. I'd imagine he's not the first to find this as I have heard a similar version before. Anyway,armed with a bit of extra knowledge in a way round the problem gained as per above,I (and I'm assuming he) will be tackling the bonnet/wing gaps on our vehicles with fresh enthusiasm. I have directed him to this forum,it is an excellent source of experience and help.
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