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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2013 20:13:42 GMT
I have not been following this thread, but have just looked through it and am wondering why the need to spray the black bits of the wheels. I am fortunate as my wheels are OK, but I did repaint the satin black inserts, by hand with a good quality brush, it took me most of the day and I remember it well as it was the day that Charles and Diana got married ! If you spray there will be lines where the tape has been Over the years, I've also hand painted the inserts with various combinations, even a "Hammerite" period back in the 1980's Lately, I've used Hammerite special metal primer as a base(it's water based for painting on Chromium) followed by Rustins Satin Black.Seems to be a fairly successful combination.
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Post by barryr on Feb 26, 2013 20:38:05 GMT
I'm currently using u-pol etch primer on the chrome after scotchbrite then halfords satin black!
Better than the 90's gloss Hammerite that was there before.
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Feb 26, 2013 22:04:05 GMT
I'd be dammed if I would give the name of my supplier. There are no"Steps" being taken to hide the identity of the supplier. If it was revealed the poor company or individual would be inundated with calls regarding the product. They would probably stop doing them due to all the hassle as I am sure they may well have many jobs to do for other companies.[/quote] Given the previous posts regarding a lack of interest, I suggest 'inundated' is perhaps too strong a word. Anyway, in a recession, is it a bad thing to have enquiries? However, setting that issue aside, I'll tell you one of the reasons I raised the point. A while ago I bought some odds and ends from a chap in the Midlands and, while we were chatting, he asked whether I'd noticed his wheels. He said they were simply polished steel, with a coat of lacquer, which wore down after a while, requiring further attention. The shiny bits weren't of course anything like chrome but looked relatively presentable from a distance. He went on to say that he'd had a chrome paint/lacquer preparation applied by a company (again in the Midlands) some years ago. It had initially looked the part but had gone rusty well within a year. He took them back and they were redone for nothing, as one would expect. By the time that application had gone rusty after a further few months, the company was gone and he was left considerably out of pocket with awful looking wheels. The rust had appeared first in the join between the rim and the disc. Since then, he'd polished the steel and lacquered them himself every couple of years. Roll the clock forward a few years and where would people be if something similar happens with the product and company providing the service to David? Members will have a dilemma. David probably can't help them or give them their money back. Do they pursue a fellow member in the small claims court or just write it off to experience? Non-members won't have any such scruples, I would suggest. £800 is a lot of money to put down to experience, at least for me. I suppose we will all have a different threshold for that. Basically, I would prefer not to be the member with the dilemma. Tony[/quote] Points noted Tony my answer is restrained there are those who can and those who think they can! those who know and those who think they know please don't compare these wheels to your friends wheels and assume this is just a paint process! the preparation is next to none the wheel join is hot zinc'd!! the lacquer as I said you can rub as hard as you like with a coin and it will not scratch go to Halfords wheel section and ask if you can try it on their wheels, the lacquer is a horrific price you get what you pay for, and if your friend is polishing the steel and applying lacquer he deserves rust It's no skin off my or Davids nose if you are skeptical if they came out a £20 a set you still would't want them in case they gave problems I think sometimes why bother
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Feb 26, 2013 22:09:04 GMT
I'm currently using u-pol etch primer on the chrome after scotchbrite then halfords satin black! Better than the 90's gloss Hammerite that was there before. Good stuff U-pol I use their 2k hardener
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Feb 26, 2013 22:14:16 GMT
I have not been following this thread, but have just looked through it and am wondering why the need to spray the black bits of the wheels. I am fortunate as my wheels are OK, but I did repaint the satin black inserts, by hand with a good quality brush, it took me most of the day and I remember it well as it was the day that Charles and Diana got married ! If you spray there will be lines where the tape has been If you use fine line tape George it leaves a very small step which you cut and it more or less disappears! I will be doing a couple of wheels soon I will try and photograph the results
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Post by GlennR on Feb 26, 2013 22:55:37 GMT
It had initially looked the part but had gone rusty well within a year. He took them back and they were redone for nothing, as one would expect. By the time that application had gone rusty after a further few months, the company was gone and he was left considerably out of pocket with awful looking wheels.
]Roll the clock forward a few years and where would people be if something similar happens with the product and company providing the service to David? Members will have a dilemma. David probably can't help them or give them their money back. Do they pursue a fellow member in the small claims court or just write it off to experience? Non-members won't have any such scruples, I would suggest. £800 is a lot of money to put down to experience, at least for me. I suppose we will all have a different threshold for that.
Basically, I would prefer not to be the member with the dilemma.
They come with a two year warranty. I think that is more then fair enough. If you don't like the deal then you don't need to buy.(as you have already mentioned) Wait the two years then we can all have a discussion about it then. I will say this though, John Wallett will only take on products that are of exceptional quality. You only have to see it in the quality of the work on his car
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Post by mh007 on Feb 26, 2013 23:15:42 GMT
Spartacus - why are you now using such a large font ? (as if you're shouting !)
As far as I understood it, this was turning into a healthy discussion !!
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Post by David on Feb 26, 2013 23:31:18 GMT
Tony, I really do not understand why you are comparing an experience your friend had with what is now being offered. It really does not serve any purpose.
If you do not wish to purchase thesewheels that's fine. Wait two years and then decide, though I feel the price may have increased by then. Whilst on the subject of price if my maths is correct club members will pay £640 for four wheels and not the £800 plus, you quoted.
Rover owners now have a choice £1700+ for chrome or £640 for this system. A saving of over £1000 is not to be dismissed so lightly. Do the chrome wheels come with a 2 year warranty?
Many come on to this forum for help and advise. Some on here are prepared to use their spare time and money to source parts and offer services for all. To all those who have taken this extra step I applaud you - without such input this forum and Rover ownership would be a poorer place.
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Feb 27, 2013 6:31:21 GMT
Spartacus - why are you now using such a large font ? (as if you're shouting !) As far as I understood it, this was turning into a healthy discussion !! No Glenn is not shouting if you use bold it increases the size of the font now
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Post by GlennR on Feb 27, 2013 6:57:18 GMT
Spartacus - why are you now using such a large font ? (as if you're shouting !) As far as I understood it, this was turning into a healthy discussion !! It's bold as to show my reply. As anyone who knows me on this forum., I don't shout
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2013 8:19:01 GMT
Tony, I really do not understand why you are comparing an experience your friend had with what is now being offered. It really does not serve any purpose. If you do not wish to purchase thesewheels that's fine. Wait two years and then decide, though I feel the price may have increased by then. Whilst on the subject of price if my maths is correct club members will pay £640 for four wheels and not the £800 plus, you quoted. Rover owners now have a choice £1700+ for chrome or £640 for this system. A saving of over £1000 is not to be dismissed so lightly. Do the chrome wheels come with a 2 year warranty? Many come on to this forum for help and advise. Some on here are prepared to use their spare time and money to source parts and offer services for all. To all those who have taken this extra step I applaud you - without such input this forum and Rover ownership would be a poorer place. Assuming the spare needs the treatment for the sake of consistency, 5 x 160 = £800. I think I originally used that figure.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2013 8:36:58 GMT
You can't please all the people all the time. Fair play to those involved in the wheels.
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Post by norvin on Feb 27, 2013 8:52:34 GMT
I would not think you need the spare done, it sounds like a good deal better then £2000, mind you if I said to the wife I am spending £2000 on the wheels of the p5 I think she would phone for the yellow van.
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Feb 27, 2013 9:15:51 GMT
I would not think you need the spare done, it sounds like a good deal better then £2000, mind you if I said to the wife I am spending £2000 on the wheels of the p5 I think she would phone for the yellow van. I have been taken by the white van a few times now norvin off again tomorrow Glenn has emailed me saying the Thread is in two camps ( he is correct ) the Real Chrome and the Chrome Like wheels for those who want the Split Chrome route I will be doing a bit for the magazine as promised I have 2 as I said a while back to be assembled and painted this should be done in the next couple of weeks, sorry I have been a little bit busy I thought I had retired
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Post by GlennR on Feb 27, 2013 10:25:57 GMT
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Post by Welsh Warlock on Feb 27, 2013 10:37:37 GMT
John, I would love to see one of these wheels and compare it with a good chrome one.
Is it possible to bring one of each along to the National and you can show people just how good they are?
In my opinion its what meetings are for. To see things in the flesh and discuss them face to face.
I am inviting as many of the product suppliers as possible to the National in the hape they will come and demo their wares. Whether they will come or not is, of course, another matter but it would be great to see a few of the suppliers showing off theor products, how they can be used and offering on the day discounts. (Please note that this is a pipe dream but you never know)
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Post by David on Feb 27, 2013 10:40:13 GMT
Glenn, that did make me chuckle Good idea Alan. If people cannot wait till then, the Club has a stand at the Bristol Classic Car Show is April
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2013 10:55:09 GMT
Hey Glenn, how about buying two this year and two next year?!
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Post by mh007 on Feb 27, 2013 11:58:05 GMT
Made me chuckle too. I had visions of a set of Rostyles on the kitchen table with the segments masked up ready for painting !!
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Post by lagain on Mar 1, 2013 19:34:02 GMT
I have not been following this thread, but have just looked through it and am wondering why the need to spray the black bits of the wheels. I am fortunate as my wheels are OK, but I did repaint the satin black inserts, by hand with a good quality brush, it took me most of the day and I remember it well as it was the day that Charles and Diana got married ! If you spray there will be lines where the tape has been If you use fine line tape George it leaves a very small step which you cut and it more or less disappears! I will be doing a couple of wheels soon I will try and photograph the results I look forward to, hopefully, seeing them later in the year, although with some of us starting to get on a bit close examination may be confined to head nodding to get the right spot on the varifocals !
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Post by GlennR on Mar 1, 2013 20:55:17 GMT
You can buy Frog Tape from Homebase which is better then masking tape...but don't get it on the 'rivet' 'rivet' Oh suit yourselves.
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Post by v8pilot on Mar 3, 2013 21:14:41 GMT
Being a complete ninconpoop with computers being an old codger, how do you post those funny pictures? I can understand why (was it Tony?) was expressing concern over spending £800 for a set of wheels, because lets face it, £800 is more than my pension and I guess most people will be very suspicious of a new untried technology when for what £360 ish per wheel from JRW, MWS , etc, they get the real deal-without any anxiety of how long they will last and no painting afterwards. What happens when the wheel flex's going around corners at the joint, will it break the lacquer and start rusting? I am raiding another tube of autosolv for my motorbike chrome rims to attack my Rostyles and let someone else risk £800!
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Post by David on Mar 4, 2013 10:22:57 GMT
I guess owners now have a choice, where before there was only one.
Though I would have thought if a 2 year warranty is offered on the alternative wheels, the suppliers must be more than confident in their longevity. Also David Green has an excellent reputation amongst Rover owners for customer service. Always good for added confidence
Having checked I did not see the same warranty being offered on the chrome wheels.
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Mar 4, 2013 16:04:24 GMT
Being a complete ninconpoop with computers being an old codger, how do you post those funny pictures? I can understand why (was it Tony?) was expressing concern over spending £800 for a set of wheels, because lets face it, £800 is more than my pension and I guess most people will be very suspicious of a new untried technology when for what £360 ish per wheel from JRW, MWS , etc, they get the real deal-without any anxiety of how long they will last and no painting afterwards. What happens when the wheel flex's going around corners at the joint, will it break the lacquer and start rusting? I am raiding another tube of autosolv for my motorbike chrome rims to attack my Rostyles and let someone else risk £800! I did have a Curt reply to this post but decide why waste my time on narrow minded inane comments. I wont publish the full report as there are people who would I am sure like to add the wheels to their inventory and add another string to their bow The process consists of :- 1 Bead Blasting 2 Etch Priming 3 Zinc Powder Coat 4 Chrome Effect, 5 Special Acrylic Lacquer The process for the Chrome Look wheels has been fully tested by Laboratories over the years by the inventor and to date he has spent £15k on testing the process! since then it has moved forward!! back in 2007 the results which impressed me are :- CONCLUSION
The finish applied to the sample tested, was satisfactory when tested in accordance with British Standard Engineering Specification, BS.3900: E6: 1992 / ISO 2409:1992.
The finish applied to the sample tested, withstood 30 rubs when tested with Methyl Ethyl Ketone.
The finish applied to the sample tested was satisfactory, when tested in accordance with Rover Engineering Specification RES.30.AD.148.
The finish applied to the sample tested, withstood 1008 hours Humidity Corrosion Resistance Testing without breakdown.
End of Report
My conclusion is if the wheel are not what you want don't buy them!!
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Post by GlennR on Mar 4, 2013 16:51:22 GMT
Hear hear
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