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Post by GlennR on May 23, 2014 6:50:45 GMT
If you put in a Volvo steering box would you have to inform your insurance company? Methinks yes.
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Post by Steve P5b on May 23, 2014 7:29:53 GMT
If you put in a Volvo steering box would you have to inform your insurance company? Methinks yes. These are the current rules as they stand at the moment regarding modifications to you car. The EU has plans to change things for the worse in the near future if they have their way. It’s a well known fact that when a vehicle is modified, the changes must be notified to DVLA.
Looking at a V5c, there is a section to notify a change to the Wheelplan, Body Type, Chassis number, CC Engine etc.
What doesn’t appear on the V5c is the requirement to notify any changes to the Suspension, Axles, Steering or modifications to the body or chassis.
The requirement to notify these changes is contained in the INF26 document, which describes the DVLA 8-point rules, the number of points allocated to each component and the various outcomes should the vehicle scores less than 8 points.
If you are building a new car, or starting on the modification of a standard one, it is a simple matter of notifying DVLA of the changes and having the vehicle inspected under the rules and they will issue an appropriate registration mark.Very basically this means should your modifications fall outside the eight point rule, your vehicle will loose it's identity and will loose privileges allocated to a "classic" car or worse. In my view by your insurance company would not be interested in your steering modifications except to levy your policy. Hope this helps |
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Post by GlennR on May 23, 2014 8:04:52 GMT
Cheers for that Steve, but I have got very cynical over the years (haven't we all) and I find insurance companies would find any excuse not to pay out. I personally would inform them for peace of mind but each and everyone to his own  |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2014 9:01:32 GMT
Cheers for that Steve, but I have got very cynical over the years (haven't we all) and I find insurance companies would find any excuse not to pay out. I personally would inform them for peace of mind but each and everyone to his own It would be just as easy to make a quick call to the Insurance Company rather than debate it IMHO. |
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Post by enigmas on May 23, 2014 9:07:53 GMT
You get an engineer to certify the work done and then concern yourself with the insurance details. The rules are different for different countries. I just love cable brakes.
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on May 23, 2014 11:06:26 GMT
If you put in a Volvo steering box would you have to inform your insurance company? Methinks yes. These are the current rules as they stand at the moment regarding modifications to you car. The EU has plans to change things for the worse in the near future if they have their way. It’s a well known fact that when a vehicle is modified, the changes must be notified to DVLA.
Looking at a V5c, there is a section to notify a change to the Wheelplan, Body Type, Chassis number, CC Engine etc.
What doesn’t appear on the V5c is the requirement to notify any changes to the Suspension, Axles, Steering or modifications to the body or chassis.
The requirement to notify these changes is contained in the INF26 document, which describes the DVLA 8-point rules, the number of points allocated to each component and the various outcomes should the vehicle scores less than 8 points.
If you are building a new car, or starting on the modification of a standard one, it is a simple matter of notifying DVLA of the changes and having the vehicle inspected under the rules and they will issue an appropriate registration mark.Very basically this means should your modifications fall outside the eight point rule, your vehicle will loose it's identity and will loose privileges allocated to a "classic" car or worse. In my view by your insurance company would not be interested in your steering modifications except to levy your policy. Hope this helps A can of worms  RADICALLY ALTERED VEHICLES This covers vehicles which are substantially altered from their original specification, but which are not kit conversions. In these cases the vehicle components used from the original vehicle will he given a numerical value and, in order to retain the original registration number, the vehicle must score eight or more points~ The following values will be allocated to the major components used: chassis/bodyshell (original or new) 5 suspension 2 axles 2 transmission 2 steering assembly 2 engine 1 If less than eight points are scored or a second-hand chassis(bodyshell is used, a "Q" prefix registration number will be allocated and an MoT certificate will be required to register the vehicle. |
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Post by Steve P5b on May 23, 2014 13:28:47 GMT
Cheers for that Steve, but I have got very cynical over the years (haven't we all) and I find insurance companies would find any excuse not to pay out. I personally would inform them for peace of mind but each and everyone to his own Cynicism is your friend, and I would not take a chance either. I would also inform my insurance company, you have no choice in not telling the DVLA as it is the Law in this country and has been so for over twenty years. Whether anyone does though is another matter, the s__t would hit the fan when and if there is a fatality following an accident ( hope not obviously)and the vehicle is inspected correctly, Not by an MOT tester as at the moment they are only concerned with wear and tear etc. |
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Post by Roy of the Rovers on May 23, 2014 15:49:42 GMT
[quote John W RADICALLY ALTERED VEHICLES This covers vehicles which are substantially altered from their original specification, but which are not kit conversions. In these cases the vehicle components used from the original vehicle will he given a numerical value and, in order to retain the original registration number, the vehicle must score eight or more points~ The following values will be allocated to the major components used: chassis/bodyshell (original or new) 5 suspension 2 axles 2 transmission 2 steering assembly 2 engine 1 If less than eight points are scored or a second-hand chassis(bodyshell is used, a "Q" prefix registration number will be allocated and an MoT certificate will be required to register the vehicle.[/quote] Hi John, if the bodyshell is used (but is altered) for example to a 2 door configuration..or even a Convertible!  . Does the car still get 5 points for the original bodyshell being used? Or are those 5 points lost would you say? Roy |
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Post by Steve P5b on May 23, 2014 16:41:10 GMT
[quote John W RADICALLY ALTERED VEHICLES This covers vehicles which are substantially altered from their original specification, but which are not kit conversions. In these cases the vehicle components used from the original vehicle will he given a numerical value and, in order to retain the original registration number, the vehicle must score eight or more points~ The following values will be allocated to the major components used: chassis/bodyshell (original or new) 5 suspension 2 axles 2 transmission 2 steering assembly 2 engine 1 If less than eight points are scored or a second-hand chassis(bodyshell is used, a "Q" prefix registration number will be allocated and an MoT certificate will be required to register the vehicle. Hi John, if the bodyshell is used (but is altered) for example to a 2 door configuration..or even a Convertible! . Does the car still get 5 points for the original bodyshell being used? Or are those 5 points lost would you say? Roy[/quote] Hi Roy, just to clarify, if you alter your monocoque body shell in any way, you loose your 5 points. These five points must be included in your total. So, your plans to convert to two door or convertible would not be allowed under the present rules. The car would have it's identity removed and would be tested as a new vehicle, it would not pass on at least one point alone and that would be the glass, it would not comply to current requirements. This is the tip of the iceberg, if you want to stay legal then you are not allowed to modify, much. |
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on May 23, 2014 17:15:15 GMT
[quote John W RADICALLY ALTERED VEHICLES This covers vehicles which are substantially altered from their original specification, but which are not kit conversions. In these cases the vehicle components used from the original vehicle will he given a numerical value and, in order to retain the original registration number, the vehicle must score eight or more points~ The following values will be allocated to the major components used: chassis/bodyshell (original or new) 5 suspension 2 axles 2 transmission 2 steering assembly 2 engine 1 If less than eight points are scored or a second-hand chassis(bodyshell is used, a "Q" prefix registration number will be allocated and an MoT certificate will be required to register the vehicle. Hi John, if the bodyshell is used (but is altered) for example to a 2 door configuration..or even a Convertible! . Does the car still get 5 points for the original bodyshell being used? Or are those 5 points lost would you say? Roy Hi Roy, just to clarify, if you alter your monocoque body shell in any way, you loose your 5 points. These five points must be included in your total. So, your plans to convert to two door or convertible would not be allowed under the present rules. The car would have it's identity removed and would be tested as a new vehicle, it would not pass on at least one point alone and that would be the glass, it would not comply to current requirements. This is the tip of the iceberg, if you want to stay legal then you are not allowed to modify, much. [/quote] Caution would be my comment  |
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Post by Roy of the Rovers on May 27, 2014 12:23:58 GMT
Hi John, if the bodyshell is used (but is altered) for example to a 2 door configuration..or even a Convertible! . Does the car still get 5 points for the original bodyshell being used? Or are those 5 points lost would you say? Roy Hi Roy, just to clarify, if you alter your monocoque body shell in any way, you loose your 5 points. These five points must be included in your total. So, your plans to convert to two door or convertible would not be allowed under the present rules. The car would have it's identity removed and would be tested as a new vehicle, it would not pass on at least one point alone and that would be the glass, it would not comply to current requirements. This is the tip of the iceberg, if you want to stay legal then you are not allowed to modify, much. Caution would be my comment [/quote] Message to Owen- cant wait to hear about your car, always interested in 'improvements'  Last year I fitted a replacement steering box to my P5. It feels a little more vague than my previous one and still leaks! Oh well but this had me thinking about a conversation I had around the Volve box with my Australian friends  and finding the parts and info I need for a suitable conversion. If parts are available then I'd be interested in the next 12 months! Message to John, Hi John, thats interesting. How would that stand around for 500 CBY and Adam? OK the convertible was done in the 60s but not by Rover and the 2 door was done maybe a decade ago. Presumably then they have never been registered altered or somehow the rules were more slack? Or actually more likely they still added up to enough points I suppose. But not all P5s still have their original engine. I wonder if the same 'type' of engine is used then its OK? |
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Post by harvey on May 27, 2014 13:11:00 GMT
But not all P5s still have their original engine. I wonder if the same 'type' of engine is used then its OK? Like for like replacements don't count against you as far as the 8 point rule is concerned. |
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Post by Smallfry on May 29, 2014 0:24:00 GMT
How would that stand around for 500 CBY and Adam? OK the convertible was done in the 60s but not by Rover and the 2 door was done maybe a decade ago. Presumably then they have never been registered altered or somehow the rules were more slack? Or actually more likely they still added up to enough points I suppose. But not all P5s still have their original engine. I wonder if the same 'type' of engine is used then its OK? These rules have been in place for best part of 30 years, but have not really been policed as such, but I suspect that is going to change with the advent of full computerisation at DLVA and VOSA............... Under the rules, 5 of the required points MUST. repeat MUST come from the UNMODIFIED monocoque body. I.E. no convertible conversions, no roof chops, no two door conversions, no bulkhead mods to accomodate different engines blah blah blah. You can do what you like to the bolt on doors, bonnet, wings etc. 500CBY might scrape under the wire as it was done long before these rules were instigated, but the ex Kendall coupe definately not. It should have a Q plate and be subject to an IVA or SVA test. I see it is currently for sale again from the ROI (I think) and would need to be imported back into the UK, and I cant help wondering if this would cause problems for any prospective new owner ? Also amuses me that it is described as "correct". It ISNT, and as much as many members (and non members) would argue against the fact, Under the rules its a radically altered vehicle. Modified and ruined, and only worth a tenner, like all the other modified or blinged up P5s out there. Seriously though, I couldnt care less personally. These rules would "condemn", for want of a better word, a lot more than half of all Classics out there, along with Hot Rods, Customs or whatever. I can see a need for some sort of inspection to check that any changes have been done to a good standard of workmanship, but not necessarily of design, but why should it have to have its identity changed and be re registered ? After all, the vehicle already has a unique identity. As we all know though, its got nothing to do with correctness or otherwise, or whether its got the right wheels on it, its all about money, and ways and means of taking fees off you and taking away your tax exemption for no good reason ! |
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Post by Steve P5b on May 29, 2014 7:16:27 GMT
Well put and full of information, thanks for posting, however I'm unclear as to what side of the fence you're on regarding modifications though?
Steve
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Post by Phil Nottingham on May 29, 2014 17:45:12 GMT
No good phoning an insurance company/broker you need to have written evidence that you have notified them AND they have accepted the premium paid eg via the proposal or renewal form
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. Does the car still get 5 points for the original bodyshell being used? Or are those 5 points lost would you say?
and finding the parts and info I need for a suitable conversion. If parts are available then I'd be interested in the next 12 months!