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Post by cyf on Sept 16, 2015 18:30:37 GMT
Hi
I have a 1981 2 doors RR and need some advices and parts:
Does anyone know (or know someone who knows)an alternative way of heldind the sparewheel in the boot? I mean, on RRs I know, there's a steel disc and a retainer bolt to held the spare wheel, but on the 1981 RR, there's no evidence of this set up: what I have is three "hooks" (one at front and two at rear of the sparewheel space). It seems very genuine, no modification. I guess that the spare wheel is held in place by a strap; If someone can tell me more about that and may be have picture of the set up, I'll be very thankfull. I asked here and there and nobody can answer me, I looked in books and no mention of it. I'm perplex
I'm also looking for a pair of bonnet mirrors at reasonable price.... yes I know...
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Sept 16, 2015 19:24:58 GMT
Hi I have a 1981 2 doors RR and need some advices and parts: Does anyone know (or know someone who knows)an alternative way of heldind the sparewheel in the boot? I mean, on RRs I know, there's a steel disc and a retainer bolt to held the spare wheel, but on the 1981 RR, there's no evidence of this set up: what I have is three "hooks" (one at front and two at rear of the sparewheel space). It seems very genuine, no modification. I guess that the spare wheel is held in place by a strap; If someone can tell me more about that and may be have picture of the set up, I'll be very thankfull. I asked here and there and nobody can answer me, I looked in books and no mention of it. I'm perplex I'm also looking for a pair of bonnet mirrors at reasonable price.... yes I know... Warwick may be able to help Cyf? |
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Post by cyf on Sept 16, 2015 20:09:44 GMT
Hi John,
I hope so, but he's sleeping now I guess
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Post by Warwick on Sept 17, 2015 0:50:06 GMT
I'm awake now.
That's very strange Cyf. It sounds to me like it's been altered. My current RR is a 1987-88 model and it has the large black dished washer and L-shaped threaded rod to secure the centre of the wheel to the bracket on the side of the car, as you described it. My recollection is that my previous 1977 2-door had the same arrangement. I've never seen one secured in the way you describe.
I'll ask some friends and also check my workshops manuals tonight. I have a factory spare parts manual for the 1977 model, so I'll check that too. I believe that the 1981 model will be basically the same as 1977.
Do you know the history of the car? My guess would be that someone has fitted wider wheels at some point and had to modify the spare wheel retaining system to hold the bigger wheel. I have a similar problem with my current Range Rover. The commonly available tyre size for the standard rim is now wider than the original tyres, so for years now my spare doesn't sit properly in the back. The tyre is too wide to fit into the depression in the floor, so the big washer and retaining bolt doesn't line up with the threaded hole in the bracket. I've had to use an assortment of other washers to make it fit and the whole thing rattles and squeaks. Some time in the next 6 months or so it's going in for a full respray and refurbishment, including replacing the bonnet with an earlier one with exposed hinges - so it will open properly, like they used to. When this is being done I plan to have the panel-beater make and fit a wider depression in the rear floor to suit the modern tyres.
Coincidentally, I just bought a pair of genuine front side-light and turn signal lamp assemblies from Rimmer Bros yesterday, in readiness for the refurbishment. The car is going in to the panel shop next week for a new windscreen and while it's out they will repaint the A-pillars. Best to do these with the glass out.
Does anyone know if you can still buy the rubber seals for the fixed rear side glass on the 4-door models? I think mine will crack when removed or disturbed for painting.
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Post by cyf on Sept 17, 2015 6:54:48 GMT
Hi Warwick,
In first place, I thought like you that the set up was modified, but I can't find evidence of any modifications. There is nothing removed or cut on the panel. I'll Make pictures to show you.
I looked in the J.TAYLOR's book about RR and saw nothing. I'm quite sure that it's a genuine set up and if so,It's really a mystery.
For the rubber seals, I don't know
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Post by Simon H on Sept 17, 2015 9:19:13 GMT
Cyf, the '3 hooks' arrangement sounds similar to the fastenings for securing spare wheels to the bonnets on military Land Rovers.
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Post by cyf on Sept 17, 2015 20:03:43 GMT
Yes Simon,when I searched the internet for "Range Rover spare wheel strap" I came across those straps but only on Land Rovers bonnet, nothing for RR. I made pictures: On this one, you can see the "hooks" one on bottom left, one upper left and one on the right of the picture  The panel shows no sign of modification   Detail of the front "hook" with a bit of strap  The wheel cover has a special shape too, in comparison with the other RR I have  So what do you think? |
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Post by Warwick on Sept 18, 2015 2:16:09 GMT
Quite strange, Cyf.
My guess would be that it was a factory special manufactured for someone who required much wider than standard wheels. A lot of early Range Rovers left the factory incomplete and went to specialist companies that turned them into military vehicles, fire engines, airport fire tenders, etc. Even 6 wheel versions. This may have been for some application that only required minor changes such as wide wheels.
Somewhere, I have a book or magazine article that covers such vehicles, but where it is I do not know. Is the depression in the floor standard, or wider than normal? Does the carpet wheel cover give you any clues as to the wheel diameter or width? Or does it just fit the wheels that are currently on the vehicle?
It probably wouldn't be too hard to change it back to standard using a bracket and wheel cover from a wreck.
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Post by cyf on Sept 18, 2015 6:05:11 GMT
everything is standard (wheel, wheel depression, wheelcover....) I thought of welding a bracket but before I wanted to know the reason of this uncommon set up and if it's genuine, keep it like that instead of modifying it, because it seems to be a particularity of my car; Was land Rover short of bracket at a time and put LR bonnet straps instead as Simon H suggested?  |
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Post by cyf on Sept 21, 2015 17:33:21 GMT
Last Week end I heard about a RR which is rusting in a farmyard and which has -according to the man I met- a strap set up for the fitting of the sparewheel.... If it's true and like my set up,not something homemade, it could be a French feature only....
I have to get in touch with the owner to see it
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Post by Warwick on Sept 22, 2015 5:41:35 GMT
... If it's true and like my set up, not something homemade, it could be a French feature only.... That could be the answer Cyf. Perhaps there was a French design requirement that the standard design did not meet. For example, the standard attachment method might not have been considered to be strong enough to retain the wheel in a serious collision. It might have been easier for BL to modify the attachment method for the French market than to carry out the collision testing to prove that it was strong enough. |
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Post by cyf on Sept 22, 2015 20:09:00 GMT
Well, I read in the James Taylor's book that some RRs were sold in france as Van or "utilitaire" as it's called here with no back seats. May be it was a feature for this type of vehicule
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Post by Colin McA on Sept 23, 2015 11:37:32 GMT
I think you could be right about the utiliarie, you could probably check the vin number info to verify or BMHT. In most picks of the rear i have seen there is carpet and bad angles so hard to see. My 1987 model was different too. Brohcure picasaweb.google.com/m/viewer#album/vidaer/5861788187319776961,authkey:Gv1sRgCPPmiYzaxt7TWw |
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Post by cyf on Sept 24, 2015 19:53:48 GMT
I can"t see the link
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Post by Warwick on Sept 25, 2015 3:11:44 GMT
Does Picasa require you to have an account to access it now?
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Post by Colin McA on Sept 27, 2015 22:26:57 GMT
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Post by cyf on Sept 28, 2015 19:52:20 GMT
another "500 INTERNAL ERROR" for the link, Colin. Thanks for having a look in the book.
If someone in Europe or Down Under or anywhere else on Earth come across a pair of bonnet mirrors at a reasonable price, let me know!!!
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Post by Simon H on Sept 28, 2015 20:00:21 GMT
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Post by tonys on Sept 28, 2015 20:29:33 GMT
From July 1981 (for 1982 model year), starting Chassis AA 114957, changes were made to the load area trim. Included in that was a change from black leathercloth to bound Nutmeg carpet tool curtain and spare wheel cover. No carpet on the load floor.
The spare wheel is no longer retained by a cranked handle, but by a system of three straps, of which the one at lower left has a ratchet tensioner.
Starting handle and stowage clips deleted in August 1982.
The above is from James Taylor's Original Range Rover restoration book.
It sounds as if the OP's car has the system described above.
Unfortunately, no pictures
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Post by PeterMadden on Sept 28, 2015 20:49:08 GMT
At least the postage seems reasonable ish!!!!! |
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Post by Warwick on Sept 29, 2015 5:47:40 GMT
How very strange Tony. This didn't happen in the Australian market. I've never seen straps used. The threaded cranked handle in my 1987/88 model is the same as it was in my old 1976 model. A friend has a 1984 model, and it's the same. Yesterday I was at the local wrecker's yard ratting trim parts off a 1989 model, which was sitting beside a 1985 model. All the same. No straps.
My 1976 2-door didn't have wing mirrors but door mirrors. Not sure when they changed. However, mine was fitted with better, later Nissan car mirrors, which coincidentally, attached using the existing 3 tapped holes in the door. I think they were Datsun 200B mirrors. Can't remember. It's all a very long time ago. Probably the best part of a Datsun 200B. Incidentally, do you know what the difference is between a Datsun 180B and the 200B? 20 more mistakes.
Cyf,
while you are searching for some wing mirrors, if you happen to find any NOS rear quarter window rubber seals for a 4-door RR, I'll swap you some nice Australian wine for them.
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Post by cyf on Sept 29, 2015 6:51:17 GMT
Thank you for the informations Tony, I now know that it's not a home made set up. However, as Warwick, I find it strange because all the Range Rover's I saw had the cranked handle. You now see why I asked you if you know a pair of mirrors at REASONABLE price  Warwick, I'll do my best to taste the Australian wine! |
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Post by tonys on Sept 29, 2015 12:32:17 GMT
I forgot to add in my earlier post that the section relating to the spare wheel securing straps was specifically relating to 2-door models.
I'll have another look later and update this thread if I find any reference to the 4-door models having straps.
CYF was asking about his 2-door,so I just checked for those models.
Warwick, were the ones you looked at 2 or 4-door?
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Post by Warwick on Sept 29, 2015 13:19:05 GMT
All 4-door Tony, except of course for my old 1976 model.
Your research seems to indicate that the change to spare wheel retention occurred at about the same time as the 4-door was introduced. Australian Range Rovers were assembled here at that time. Assembly ceased in 1984. I have a vague recollection that the 4-door replaced the 2-door when introduced here, and it was no longer available. That probably means that no Australian delivered 2-doors ever had the strap arrangement.
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Post by Colin McA on Sept 30, 2015 13:36:14 GMT
This is the images of the brochure, they are water marked from the range rover classic website. I can email they if it does not appear, they seem to highlight the tax savings. Colin   |
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