Securon seat belts (front)

[OlafR]

Hi there,

I need to renew the (front!) seatbelts in my '72 P5B Coupé. I purchased a pair of Securon 500/45 belts (third row from top).
After I mounted them today I must say that I'm very unhappy with them.

1. They are VERY short.
On the passenger seat with the seat half way to two thirds back, you can't reach the glovebox.

2. They are uncomfortable
They really apply quite some force, pulling you back into the seat. Maybe this is something that gets better over time?

While I might be able to live with 2) (I suppose they might loose some of their force over time), I do know that I'll hate them being too short, so I will probably have to send them back. That is, even if I'll have to keep one of the two (they're sold separately) after mounting it, I'd rather wave a hundred quid good-bye than being continuously annoyed.

Did anybody swap their seat belts and made a similar experience? I'd appreciate a recommendation for better ones too!

Cheers,
Olaf

[Eric R]

I bought a pair of Securon front seat belts to replace originals. Found them to be just too short - u need to pull the strap right out then breathe in to click into position. Once done up uncomfortably tight around the tummy and I'm skinny!
I don't have belts in the rear and im worried about buying more of the same.

[petervdvelde]

I have bought the same ones for my project P5B but haven't fitted these yet. I fitted the rear ones also from Securion in my daily P5B and had to make special brackets to fit these as there was not enough room to fit the seat belts. The brackets supplied with the kit are not functional.
I am happy with the way these rear ones function. Underneath a picture how the rear ones were fitted



Peter

[OlafR]

Hi Eric,

so ... did you find something else or have you learned to live with them?

BTW - is "your" Waterlooville the one just west of Emsworth?

Cheers,
Olaf

[OlafR]

Hi Peter,

I saw your post on the seat belts (I do search prior to posting! ) but I found that everybody was just looking for rear seat belts. If you've bought yours but haven't yet fitted them I'd recommend sending them back, it's just not funny! As with Eric, I'm skinny and have problems fastening them!

Cheers,
Olaf

[OlafR]

By the way: should anyone have ordered their belts from Wadhams: I bet they're from Securon too, they just look very much the same.

Cheers,
Olaf

[petervdvelde]

Olaf,

I got them from Wadhams and the seatbelts were delivered in the Securion boxes. I will do a trial fit soon and send these back if these are too short

Peter

[OlafR]

Hi Peter,

assuming that you haven't gained 20% weight over the the last two months, our weight should be quite similar.
And if that's the case, those belts just won't make you happy, promise!

If I had at least some kind of beer belly I could blame my own self!

Cheers,
Olaf

[Eric R]

i am putting up with the present Securon ones for now but my subsequent enquiry to Rimmers brought the reply:
"the XKC2528-030Black should suit the P5B, priced at £36.67+vat per side" but i note the "should"
They also show the inertia 3 point belts are RS1394InrBlack priced at £43.33+vat each and the lap belt RS1394SBlack priced at £21.67+vat plus delivery cost
www.rimmerbros.co.uk/Category--Rover-Car-Parts--m-12749

[richardlamsdale]

I bought Securon seatbelts for the front and rear of my Coupe via Wadhams. I haven't had a problem with length of the belts, but I did have an issue mounting both front and rear - the front because on earlier cars (mine is 1968) the reel is at an angle on the B-pillar (on later cars the B-pillar was modified for inertia belts I believe) which prevents it working correctly, and the rear for the same reason Peter had - the mounting holes in the rear shelf are in the wrong position to take a reel, and also the rear parcel shelf being 'hollow' complicates mounting them.

However, they now work fine. I also bought the brown ones, which go very well with the Buckskin interior.

[OlafR]

Thanks Richard! Do you recall what article number of the belts that you obtained? I have a feeling that the last two digits (as in 500/45 in my case) may denote (or have at least something to do with) the length.

FWIW, my boxing states that 500/30 is suitable for "P4, 5, 6, 213 + 216, Discovery, Metro, 800, Landrover 90 + 110" whereas 500/45 is said to be suitable for some other cars (such as Ford Cortina MK III and Anglia, FSO and others). Whatever, their website clearly states that 500/45 are the right ones for P5(B)s.

Maybe it was just someone taking their Friday afternoon pint a bit too early and mixed up the numbers!

Cheers,
Olaf

[petervdvelde]

Olaf,

The Securion i received from Wadhams are still in the box and it also shows the "500/45 Beige".
Are you sure that it isn't blocking too early? You have to mount these seat belts with the right angle (in this case vertical) otherwise it will block rather quickly
Peter

[richardlamsdale]

Hi Olaf, checking back it seems I bought 2 x 254 and 2 x 500/45, but I can't remember which were front and which were rear - you're probably an expert on the part numbers by now! I blogged about fitting them here, but for some reason didn't take a picture of the finished front ones once fitted.

[OlafR]

Peter,

yes, I'm very certain that I completely unwinded them, but I'll check again later, just to be on the safe side. :-) They're also perfectly upright.

Richard,

that's quite the article you wrote there, cheers for that, I'll definitely keep that in mind.
And yes, Securon 254 is the automatic/inertia belts for the back.

Cheers,
Olaf

[OlafR]

Hi there,

RE the unwinding: well, I checked again, just to make sure it's not me. I can unwind them to the point where the white plastic housing becomes visible, so there definitely isn't any way to pull it any further out.

I also did another search for alternatives today, but talking to a local shop (who I knew sell belts too), I had to find out that they sell ... guess what ... Securon belts.

I have sent an email to Securon, maybe they have an idea or a better matching part/article. After all it's just 10"-15" webbing that's missing, I can live with the rest or would, rather than driving with my current non-functional (non-locking) and worn belt.

Maybe somebody does know about an alternative supplier though?

What I have found is a supplier called QuickFit. From the pictures  the buckle is loose, as opposed to the stiff ones that are mounted on mine and that Securon supplies. Maybe someone has tried thme out? The do look good with all the chrome!

Cheers,
Olaf

[roverp5b]

Feb 27, 2017 17:05:46 GMT OlafR said:

Hi there,

RE the unwinding: well, I checked again, just to make sure it's not me. I can unwind them to the point where the white plastic housing becomes visible, so there definitely isn't any way to pull it any further out.

I also did another search for alternatives today, but talking to a local shop (who I knew sell belts too), I had to find out that they sell ... guess what ... Securon belts.

I have sent an email to Securon, maybe they have an idea or a better matching part/article. After all it's just 10"-15" webbing that's missing, I can live with the rest or would, rather than driving with my current non-functional (non-locking) and worn belt.

Maybe somebody does know about an alternative supplier though?

What I have found is a supplier called QuickFit. From the pictures  the buckle is loose, as opposed to the stiff ones that are mounted on mine and that Securon supplies. Maybe someone has tried thme out? The do look good with all the chrome!

Cheers,
Olaf

I bought mine from quickfit with the loose buckle which can be a pain hunting down the side of the seat when belting up, product is excellent and very comfortable with plenty of slack to move around, they can produce a product with fixed stork but not in the chrome buckle design.

[OlafR]

Feb 27, 2017 17:28:40 GMT roverp5b said:

I bought mine from quickfit with the loose buckle which can be a pain hunting down the side of the seat when belting up, product is excellent and very comfortable with plenty of slack to move around, they can produce a product with fixed stork but not in the chrome buckle design.

I'd prefer the stiff cable stalk (that's what I guess it's being called), it's just so much more convenient. Browsing through their website I must say that their belts look stunning (the gallery has some impressive other cars too - well worth a peek or two!).

I'm not sure as to whether I really get what they're stating here; do I understand it right that the cable stalk is only available for "modern" belts? I suppose I'd trade in the chrome buckle for the cable stalk.

Cheers,
Olaf

[roverp5b]

Feb 27, 2017 17:44:30 GMT OlafR said:

Feb 27, 2017 17:28:40 GMT roverp5b said:

I bought mine from quickfit with the loose buckle which can be a pain hunting down the side of the seat when belting up, product is excellent and very comfortable with plenty of slack to move around, they can produce a product with fixed stork but not in the chrome buckle design.

I'd prefer the stiff cable stalk (that's what I guess it's being called), it's just so much more convenient. Browsing through their website I must say that their belts look stunning (the gallery has some impressive other cars too - well worth a peek or two!).

I'm not sure as to whether I really get what they're stating here; do I understand it right that the cable stalk is only available for "modern" belts? I suppose I'd trade in the chrome buckle for the cable stalk.

Cheers,
Olaf

Correct Olaf, I recall them saying loose buckle belts were not legal after 1972 and the solid stalk fittings took over.

[OlafR]

Good morning!

Feb 27, 2017 17:28:40 GMT roverp5b said:

I bought mine from quickfit with the loose buckle which can be a pain hunting down the side of the seat when belting up, product is excellent and very comfortable with plenty of slack to move around, they can produce a product with fixed stork but not in the chrome buckle design.

In the meantime I have sent the Securon belts back. I also had a little email conversation with Securon's customer service - they would've actually sent me their latest model which is supposed to be longer by ~30cm/12". I had already returned my belts though and I do think that it would at least require around 50cm/20". FWIW, my original belts are around 3m/118" long and I was stupid enough to not measure the Securon belts' length when I had them.

Now I'm quite unimpressed by QuickFit's customer service. I've sent them an email twice but haven't got a response in as much as two weeks.
I suppose I may have to phone them next week. MOT (or rather TÜV here in Germany) is coming up in May so I'll have to find some alternative or the car might fail the test.

FWIW, I've just come across yet another supplier in this thread here. Will have to check them out too.

Cheers,
Olaf

[Eric R]

Have sourced a supplier of seat belts with knowledge of Rovers - www.fdts-seatbelts.co.uk/index.html located near Woking Surrey UK.

[OlafR]

That's the one, Eric.

Do you have any experience with them? I mean, have you bought belts from them already?

Cheers,
Olaf

[Eric R]

The Securon ones i bought on Ebay were too short. FDTS are/were agents for Securon but the latter have apparently become difficult to deal with retail traders as they have imposed 100 same specification belts per order. Their website doesnt even guide you to a retailer!
I took the car to FDTS for their advice and the have replaced the front ones for £120 the pair.
At the same time they have taken details from which they will supply rear belts and lap belt to the same colour and specification. The are aware of the cope rerto-fit issues and offered good advice on that too. They can also deal with the Mk1 saloon which has two bench seats and no original belts at all at present.
FDTS are manufacturers but not installers but offer advice on most cars from patterns held and for Rovers in particular and have a local trimmer who would install.

[OlafR]

It took me a while but I ordered and quickly received new belts from Quickfit about two weeks ago. I'm quite happy with them. They're long enough, comfortable to wear and they look good too.
Back in May I was at a car show where they had a little stall. I took a bunch of webbing samples with me. Even though I had ordered the Securon ones in beige (and quite liked the colour), I ordered black webbing in the end as Quickfit's beige just didn't suit me.

I opted for the cable stalk version, with chrome wherever else was possible (pillar loop, swivel, visible bolts). The stalks are not all too pretty (fancying an orange release button) but I can live with that.
It was a bit pricey (£203 for the belts, £36 for shipping) too. But they're much better than the Securon ones!

Cheers,
Olaf

[ozriderp5]

I got a set out of a P5B and they are short. (or maybe I'm large  )

I've bought a 4 metre set but haven't fitted them yet.

Euro standard, not legal in oz as they don't have the AU logo.

The legal ones have both but are twice the price....

[richardlamsdale]

Hi Olaf, any chance you could post some photos of the new seatbelts? I'm interested in seeing how they compare to the Securon belts.