Callander 2004 again.Chaz's Rover

[guitardave]

This again was last year on a wet day and you can see Chaz and Gordon standing In the background admiring the car,soaked with the great weather.I had to buy wellies, that's how bad It was.The Rally the day before was great even If we did get a bit lost!(This was Trevor's fault as we were following him).I have to thank Trevor Colebrook for all the work he puts Into these things, It Is really appreciated.

[chazmac]

Cheers Dave

great picture of me !!!!

yes pretty bad day weather wise

going to go and see my 3500S tomorrow

should be ready soon n we will go for a spin

down Leith Walk again

speak soon chaz

ps still prefer the two tone !!!!

[guitardave]

Here's a better photo.Don't think I've seen anyone so proud whilst filling their car with petrol but It's not difficult to see why.

[glennr]

Fantastic looking car. I think the Zircon Blue with the silver birch roof goes really well. GlennR

[chazmac]

Hi OEL 44 G is off to the restorer.

I bought this in June of last year, got it road legal then took it for a trip round the highlands and islands of Scotland magic loved every mile. Car behaved perfectly even managing about 21 mpg on a long run and surprising many a modern tin box

It needs new sills( inner mid and outer) door skins front wings ( thanks john stacey) inner rear wings need attention possible d posts etc scuttles seem fine but paint will be taken off. I'm sure there will be more surprises. It's amazing how good they can look yet still have lots of hidden problems. ( beware ) The car is mot'd till June but I just want it fixed properly. The car was fitted with over sills at some point but this hasn't helped.The car is going to Harry Curry in Blantyre Scotland. He has done a few P5b coupes to a very high standard. New parts being sourced from JRW. I drove the car down on Sunday, going great its lovely to drive. I will miss it as I drove it most weekends except over the winter I had two others previously. Will just need to turn my attention to the spares car another 68 coupe G*** VUK reg monotone zircon blue/ buckskin hide which is too far gone but also taking up garage space. Will be good practise for my own car. I have stripped two P5b coupe's previously 1 H reg bordeux red with siver birch roof/ buckskin which belonged to a priest in South Uist and the other a J reg ( J 666 YVD )monotone bordeux red/ mullbery hide which apparently belonged to tunnocks but that was about ten years ago so I can't really remember a lot about it. Funnily enough my current car also belonged to a priest in South Queensferry Edinburgh bizare!!!

The car will come back solid then I will need to get it sprayed again, new front carpets etc

It will all be well worth it though

anyway enough ramblings chaz

ps is it just me or does your stumoch churn when you see " restorations projects" on e-bay. I think e-bay is getting quite expensive

Thankfully the car was quite cheap to buy and I should know exactly what I have when its finished.

[Phil Nottingham]

???Interesting to see your car as several years ago I am sure it used to run around this neck of the woods and I would see it on high days & holidays, though never at any rallies.

Do you have any history?

[chazmac]

Hi Phill

I dont really have much history with the car other than what I said previously.

Could well be as it was registered in Bournemouth. I have seen pictures of it at the Scottish all rover rally about 7 or 8 years ago. This doesn't necessarily mean it was local though. I could have seen the car myself years ago but I'm not sure as the pics were not mine.

I will need to find out who the owners were and where the car has been.

Sadly the previous owner was only 44 and died of a brain anurism so I bought it from his dad through the club who is also very unwell he has emphasima???

It had been lying for a year with no mot and non runner the gear shift was broken the linkage had popped off underneath and the inhibitor was not engaging. nothing when the ign key was turned. Eventually got it started after changing the gear selector linkage and persuading the inhibitor switch the car finally moved the rear brakes were bound on. The car was braying like a donkey in gear then finally it made a slow break for freedom. I was then washed as it was very dusty. The car looked great and i took it for a spin round the block to free it off. MAGIC.

The car was lying in a lock up on the south side of glasgow.

It is surprising the number that are lying about or that you hear of but a lot of them are very down at heel now I think.

There is one in Jordanhill a p5b coupe but it is dreadfull good spasres.

There are a lot of p5b's driving about glasgow mostly saloons its great.

There is a bordeaux red p5b saloon in Bearsden my dad saw it the other day still going strong.

It used to belong to an old gentleman years ago. I remember seeing it on a garage forecourt being filled with petrol. I was about 13, this is what started it all off. The sound the smell those wheels brilliant. Once I saw a coupe that was it I had to have one. There are two saloons sitting in a garage on Milngavie Road in Beggs the garage zircon blue/ bucksin both with the same registraion

one is good ( spares car) the other immaculate. Both belong to Lord Macfarlane of Bearsden ex chairman of guinness and distillers

So no chance of any spares then. You occasionally see him driving one in the summer. Apparently he always had one sitting outside his house with a brand new sitting in his garage waiting for its turn. Thats the way to do it. I used to pass this garden and car on my way to primary school everyday. Never loooking in front of me.Then one day my dad took me in to see it. They were having Sherry in the garden and were looking for the gardener to give him a glass.

There is another near me p5b coupe monotone silver birch / saddle tan interior. Not the worst in the world needs work. The owner never uses it except to go to the MOT station and back each year crazy. Its done about 100 miles in the last 6 years not good for it really.

I've heard of another p5b not sure what in Perth from a friend, a commercial recovery vehicle driver, just lying in a garage apparently its for sale oh no !!!

I need to replace the front windscreen as well

It has a huge chip in it not repairable( not in the drivers direct view)

and the laminate is rotting at the screen edges

I have some spare ones toughend I think and a friend a windscreen fitter / mechanic will put it in for me.

His first question was" How many screens do you have, please don't tell me just the one."

Not looking forward to this but needs must.

I have a new front coupe seal from rover parts of london

I also need a perfect dashboard mine has split on the passengers side just above the cold air vent.

The spares car is perfect on this side but has a small area of black tape on the drivers side. A cigar burn from the steering wheel I would imagine ****. Maybe repairable
I did have one if not two but the old boy threw them out hmmmm

I need to change the points to electronic. My P6b has lucas electronic ignition. It saves your sanity. My local spares shop wants 25 squid for a set of points, no chance!!!. I also find the coupe pinks a bit. If I retard the ignition this disappears but the car becomes lethargic. It is standard 10.5:1 comp running on 97 not always available hopeless on 95 my p6 runs an sd1 engine much better. Probably get one for the p5b eventually.

I will need to recolour and treat my seats. Will the passenger squab cover fit the drivers side as I have 2 buckskin interiors with the 2 passenger seats having better leather than both the drivers ones

Although the spares cars seats are good slight creasing but no tears need cleaning colouring and feeding and they will look great not too keen on the brand new look or baggy badly fitted new leather.

chaz

[chazbox]

Hi my car is currently away being restored.

Its been away since february

I am missing it

One whole side has been finished and the other is nearly done.
( everything needing done is being cut out and replaced )

Harry said it was very rotten. Strange what a surprise!!!! My car looked really good but covered a multitude of sins.

Full of filler fibreglass and daily records hmmm dating back to 1990. and of course lots of fresh air and rust

Obviously been faked up then. Still looked good last year though It is being photographed and videod during the restoration.Will post some photos when i get them.

I feel I'm missing out not doing it myself! NOT.

I do most things myself but cant do welding or paint.

Still the MOT is just out and the tax has also run out . So I have had the car a year and the rebuild should be finished in the next 4 weeks . Get her resprayed and hopefully ready for Callander again in August.

We'll see
Hmmm its not cheap body parts and labour all adds up

but its worth it chaz

[guitardave]

Hi Chaz,know how much you love these cars so It will be worth It.The car didn't look bad before,I can only Imagine what she will look like when finished. How are you getting on with your doner car?

[Deleted]

Starting to wonder whether I should I have sent mine away to get done. The more I look the more I see . Never mind got primer on it last weekend and I have taken holidays next week so I hope to get it painted. ;D. Ill post more pick on www.nevcc.net after I have it painted.

[glennr]

Keep the faith Eamonn. I can give you the telephone of my psychiatrist if you're feeling desperate. Look forward to the updated photo's.

[David]

Well. if it's any consolation after eight years at Graham Floyds workshops mine is almost finished.

[guitardave]

I prefer the Blue Peter way of owning one of these cars;"Here's one we prepared earlier"!

[Phil Nottingham]

I think sometimes people loose sight of what they are trying to do and end up either disilusioned and/or seriously out of pocket.

It is often said that our cars are seriously underated and thus undervalued. As such they can be bought at bargain prices so it should not be surprising that sometimes people find the bargain they have bought is somewhat less than they thought or have been led to believe.

Standards of "restoration" are much different to even 10 years ago and the use of fillers/ secondhand or home made items are frowned upon much more. The car has survived though for you to make of it what you will. It will never be truly original though.

What should be realised is that such allegedly bodged up work may last for years given the proposed useage and its only where much more frequent use is demanded that something more may be required.


Equally its not much use spouting off about its original state and then at the same complaining or justifying low useage because of poor heaters/lights/acceleration/ economy/lack of seatbelts etc etc.

Virtually all of these can be rectified by proper repair or upgrading to modern standards but then it may not satisfy the originality police even though poor heaters noisy draft seals and leaky screens are hardly authentic anyway.

The point I am try to make is that there cannot be a totally original car as even with no use things detriorate or wear out so you need to make the car suitable for the useage you alone personally want whether its for summer concours events or a daily driver in all weathers or more usually something in between.

Any classic car owner keeping these cars on the road by whatever means should be encouraged and not obliged to do waht is the considered correct thing by some to treat them as a musuem piece which most are not and never can be.

It should not be overlooked that the newest of our cars cannot be under 32 years now which looking back to the the 1980's say would mean cars from the 1940's and how many those were around and more importantly running then?

[Allan NZ P5b]

Here here well said. One of the most well thought out and intelligent post I have ever read on these forums.
My grandfather a man of more than comfortable means bought a 1947, ish concours winning MG TD I think in 1981 when he was 71 and drove it daily as it reminded him of a car he had owned and driven during his time in bomber command during WWII and people thought he was a mad man ( they were right, but not for this reason ) for driving a unreplaceable vehicle. He argued the vehicle had always been meant to be used and while rare was not irreplaceable. Its construction well document and if important enough to history a brand new one could be made. It had greater value giving him pleasure; take yours as you can where you can, more support will come from people seeing the cars around, than from people forgetting they even exist. Because they are all locked away in museums, there are already enough secured to ensure they will not be lost to history. I get people even today saying wow what is that car, I would rather wear mine out, most bits can be fixed or remade and as the cars get rarer we will have to reassess as the value will change

Regards

[richard eglinton]

Did I read that someones car has been in a repair workshop for 8 years
That's what I call patient
Richard

[Davie Richards Edinburgh]

Here's Charlie's new Jaguar mark II. This Is about the only other classic I would consider owning and this Is a nice one.Any more photo's Chaz?

[chazmac]

Cheers Dave vroom vroom

this is my new toy

a friend of mine has owned this for 21 years

I had never seen it till last wednesday.

fell in luv straight away the pics dont do it justice

I persuaded him to sell the car to me a few hours after seeing her.

the sreaming , pleading, bleating finally worked

Its lovely in very good condition , so different from the rover

I think its old english white with red seats interior is perfect like new MOD wooden steering wheel chrome wire wheels and original HMV radio.

It needs a good wash and polish it's very dusty

Its not been on the road since 1998. I cant wait to get her out recommision her ,oils new battery etc start it hear it then drive it.

holidays start a week on Friday yeeehaa

I luv it will take you for a spin soon Dave

only 20 mins from edinburgh

cheers Chaz