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Post by taz on Mar 12, 2006 9:36:02 GMT
Hi folks, I just tried to repair my front heater matrix - I silver soldered up the two holes made by the casing screws OK, but my efforts at fixing a leak from one of the core tubes ended up being very shamefull! Dont try silver soldering aluminium tubes - they just melt!
Anyway, I'm just wondering if anyone has purchased a new matrix from wadhams and if so, what does it entail? Do you get the complete heater core, end tanks and fittings?
I dont suppose the rear heater has the same core? If so perhaps I could use that - I just need to get the demister working to get a road worthy.
Cheers, Taz
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Mar 12, 2006 10:21:36 GMT
The rear heater core is different
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2006 22:50:46 GMT
hi i am just doing my front heater and it is not a bad job.there are 2 ten mil bolt at bottom of heater box,undo all the cables and the 2 pipes and the box is out of the car try David green he has probably got one in one piece to bolt strate in your car
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2006 9:11:31 GMT
I stripped my heater box and had the matrix re-cored. Made a huge difference to the heater output, now its very good indeed. I would recommend fiting new foam sealing strips where necessary and powder coating the casings to good effect. Take lots of pictures of the links and levers settings BEFORE dismantling everything - it will prove to be a GOOD thing to do. Cheers
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Post by taz on Mar 13, 2006 11:08:27 GMT
Thanks Freddy, I took it down to my local radiator place and he couldnt believe how big it was! The ones commonly found in ozzie cars are about 1/3 of the size. He said he could re-core it, but he would have to re-use the end tanks which are in poor condition, so I'm thinking of ordering a new one from Wadhams. Cheers, Taz.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2007 18:30:17 GMT
Resurrected post to avoid repetition
Windscreen gets moist unless heater turned to off. Mech put rad sealant into system hoping to seal whatever crack is present. Will be ok till winter and then will need repair but hey this car has eaten over £2500 since purchase on basic stuff - good ol Wadhams, ey? Guy even puts VAT on delivery charges!!! Unbelievable. So what's another few hundred in due course.... Point is, how do I isolate the water from the matrix? Can it be isolated? There is a black plunger looking device which two sets of pipes in front of the bulkhead flow to and from. What is this?
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Post by Phil Nottingham on May 30, 2007 19:30:17 GMT
The best way to isolate the heater is to join the flow and returns together and cut out the 3 way valve with the black knob on which feeds the rear heater
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2007 20:51:14 GMT
Thanks for that Phil, I'd forgotten the rear heater. The mechanic said it looked a bit like the set up on a Mini.
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Post by Phil Nottingham on May 30, 2007 21:16:02 GMT
Not really and the rear heater usually seizes if overlooked
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2007 10:29:40 GMT
[glow=red,2,300]Only books are zero rated. Postage and handling is regarded as 17.5%vat rated. [/glow] Resurrected post to avoid repetition good ol Wadhams, ey? Guy even puts VAT on delivery charges!!! Unbelievable. So what's another few hundred in
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Post by RichardF on May 31, 2007 12:25:53 GMT
To be fair to Wadhams, it is common practice by many companies, large and small, to add VAT after postage and packing. I believe that way the government get two lots of VAT as I would assume any postage, being a service, must have VAT already included; unless of course I am wrong and someone can explain the intricacies of this. Richard Southampton
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Post by Phil Nottingham on May 31, 2007 16:01:27 GMT
Its correct to add VAT although postage does not include it, the packing does. These are the regulations
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Post by RichardF on May 31, 2007 18:11:03 GMT
Thanks Phil, I knew there would be an explanation for it. Richard Southampton
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2007 19:27:09 GMT
Another VAT example: The MOT test is VAT exempt, True.
If garage 'A' does not carry out its own MOT tests but takes a car to an MOT station to be tested, garage 'A' must charge the price of the MOT plus VAT, because they have brought something 'in' and sold it on. Also the rules apply if you provide a service, then VAT applies. (Not in all cases, there are always exceptions to the rules!)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2007 7:54:26 GMT
I know Wadhams and other suppliers have to make a living, but I cant agree with the prices. I ordered a recon p/steering box £275 - cos my non P5 familiar garage insisted he wouldnt Mot one with a leak....and 2 new bumper overriders £60 each. Total cost inc all the extra costs was £550. The only catalogue W's have is 2002 and those prices then were £240 & £45 respectively. Even the surcharge of £75 charged for the new steering box had VAT. Mr W said he will refund the surcharge plus Vat when the old one is returned. But I gotta clean it up or there's a reduced refund.
It aint just Wadhams. I got charged £200 by Graham Rigby for an old door - reskinned some time long ago - and an oily, slightly less rusty wing than the one I'm removing. Does my head in.
The garage who replaced my front and rear screen seals, with a little welding to the front area, had the car 3 months and charged £850. Then the guy who serviced it, replaced the sterring box, welded the exhaust, charges another £850 and neither of them will own up to the 4 inch crack which has subsequently appeared half way up the screen.
A fool and his money indeed
Just a bit down over all this, sorry to be such a moaning ol scouser. Am miles away from any of the other club members, so have been using local resources.
PS Do I need what are known as AF tools to remove door, wing and replace the bumpers?
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Post by Kev on Jun 2, 2007 8:26:30 GMT
Shadowfax,Reading your post i have come to the following conclusions, Choose a more sympathetic p5/classic car M.O.T station. Learn how to weld. Sign up to night school classes on Car Restoration. Break an old rotten P5 for spares. And of course find some other P5 members in your area that may be able to help you. Someone must be close to you,put a plea out for some P5 friends. Chin Up, ;D Big Kev.
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Jun 2, 2007 9:00:37 GMT
Its not case of a fool and his money etc but really economics - these cars are well bulit to exacting specs and were very expensive in their day. They can never be described as cheap to run especially if you have to rely on garage labour. When they do a job they have legal obligations to ensure its done properly and always play safe. Parts suppliers tie up large amounts of cash in buying, storing and remanufacturing items so as to keep our cars on the roads.
A very good way of getting parts is to buy a scapper with good bits you need and sell the rest to recoup some of the cost. I have done this a number of times.
Most power boxes leak a little if its continually dripping there is a problem.
Virtually all the nuts/bolts are UNF and require AF imperial sockets and spanners. These are esay to get hold of and Metrinch do universal AF/Metric/BSW spanners sockets.
Beware makeing do with badly fitting spanners as fixings are likely to be rusted, although less theam modern cars as they are "parkerised" mainly except on the last BL made cars who by then were penny pinching.
Desite the above P5 ownership is more cost effective if approached properly than buying "pre-owned" modern cars and definiely new ones are a waste of money for the average private motorist
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2007 9:11:55 GMT
ta, lads
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Jun 2, 2007 13:09:10 GMT
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Post by theroveringmember on Jun 2, 2007 13:58:13 GMT
Bearing in mind this was probably the best part of 20 years ago. I had a recon steering box supplied by the Rovercentre in Leyton, had it fitted & there was a stiff spot to the right. Was sent to the suppliers by the Rovercentre, who were these people in Greenwich. They fitted another, stiff to the left & a week later another which was also stiff, can't remember which way. They then admitted defeat & re-funded me their part of the money I had paid & the Rovercentre also refunded me their part. I was out the original fitting price, £90 I think & much time. I then got a second hander from a scrapyard who had a Coupe' in for £25, got some advice, fitted it myself & that's the very same leak-free (fingers crossed) box I've just posted about on another thread, which is still in the car. That's my story, a long time ago, things may have improved now though the customer service was very good & is probably still the same & parts are maybe more available now than then. Anyone who has had good results from them recently obviously takes precedence over my history lesson.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2007 7:47:07 GMT
Well the car runs well now it has been mot'd and serviced. Cant get the door hinges off as screws are stuck fast so it looks like it's been in a stock car race and closing from the inside is a mare. I was told by an old P5 hand that steering boxes that dont leak "make the car wander". Nope. Feels much better now, to me.
My bro and I put the rechromed bumpers back on yesterday. Lots of bolts left over.... When I got the 2 new over riders from JRW, J asked me if I needed any of his "stainless ones" to remount them to the bumpers. At £1.50 each (plus delivery & Vat) I declined, determined to not spend any more money there for a while. There were 6 missing. I got 6 plus the nuts and 12 washers from Lloyd & Jones on the Dock Rd (Regent Rd, L20) near home, for £1.49. They sell AF, BSF and all other thread types.
But true to form with thie Bus, as I was looking forward to a day in the Lakes, there is now a leak from the radiator .... Temp at tickover in traffic was reaching the red zone .... and where does all the ATF go to when you cant see any leaks? It drinks the stuff
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Jun 5, 2007 16:59:43 GMT
The only way to release recalcitrant door hinge screws is to heat to cherry red (using oxy acelylene - a ridiculously expensive luxury but one that I would nevver be without in 40 years) A hammer screwdriver is useful but it may well distort the A post (or cpost) if heavy handed or is slightly corroded.
Its very difficult knowing where to stop spending money on P5's!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2007 10:54:32 GMT
So now I have spent all that well borrowed dosh, I discover on the M6 going to the Lakes yesterday that the head gasket has blown .... but I reckon it is time to do that job myself with some help from our kid .... plus I got told this morning that my TVR wont be ready for France unless I find a further £3K .... :nutsinvice: Difficult to know where to stop indeed :-) In for a penny, in for bankruptcy, I guess. At least the bailiffs will have a couple of almost sorted motors to flog
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2007 15:34:51 GMT
I agree with shadowfax. The statement "He has to make a living" is not an excuse. I bought a P5 last October and I was very unhappy at the uncompetitive spares situation and the high prices. They were and are on a par with Rolls Royce. The other excuse offered is "what do you expect it's a quality car". It's definately not a quality car - a good looking one yes, but the quality is on a par with all the 60's,70's, and 80's British cars. I have now sold my car to a German collector, who said that it's the look and the style he loves, but sadly it's quality doesn't stand up against Merc's and BM's of the same period. I'm not sure I agree with him on that, but then he's a German. He said that it's worth twice the price in Germany. JRW is enjoying the benefit of exclusivity, and as a business it's obviously very successful. A 20/30% increase in prices over the last 2/3 years can't be bad, especially if it's the same stock. I'm sticking to my Stag for while. Good luck to you all. kind regards, Mike Spellacy.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2007 16:14:39 GMT
I guess the Stag spares situation is more favorable than our Rovers, we see more Stags around at shows and when the sun comes out.
Sorry you have moved out of the Rover light but perhaps one day?....................
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