Roger
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Post by Roger on Sept 1, 2006 8:47:12 GMT
This may have been asked before, but I can't find out so I'll ask anyway!
Does anyone know how many Rovers (P5's obviously) there are?
I had understood that there were 9099 made, I think that might have been P5B Coupes like my old girl.
It seems as though whenever I see banger racing pictures theres a P5 in the mix and I've seen a few abandoned ones languishing around London particularly on industrial estates or private land, so the numbers don't seem to add up, I would expect them to be much rarer than they are!
Are they breeding or have I missed a digit from the numbers made? Is that why the values always seem so low in comparison to other classics? I've also seen the film Christine so I'm glad I'm not a banger racer in case they're coming back to haunt!
Anyone out there know, even if only the actual number in the club, although I've never been asked if I have one so member numbers wouldn't be accurate I guess?
R
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Post by glennr on Sept 1, 2006 9:00:14 GMT
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Roger
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Post by Roger on Sept 1, 2006 11:23:33 GMT
Thanks, that's very interesting, no idea where my 9,099 figure came from.
The numbers don't add up by the way, if you look at 1970 for example, I guess it should be 1,500ish rather than 151, that was the year my old girl was made, sold on the 1 April (!?) so I guess I'm the fool now and have been for many years now.
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Post by dorsetflyer on Sept 1, 2006 19:38:24 GMT
Roger, this has come up before and a large discussion took place as to whether or not we could have a fairly accurate census as to how many there are still in existence. Gaining info from Cub Members can be reasonably straightforward, however keeping an up to date figure is more daunting. Cars change hands, others are acquired, or disposed of, and keeping this up to date is purely on the discipline of the members. Not only that a check would have to be made on all the ones that come up on e-Bay and record their details, and a check would have to be made on every classic magazine for those on sale. As a Club we did go down part of this route and held meaningful discussions on it. At the moment it is on the shelf I think, but is in a state where it could be resurrected in the future.
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Post by Smallfry on Sept 2, 2006 0:25:06 GMT
The DVLA should be able to supply this information to a club official, but of course, this will only tell you how many log books are still in existance, not actual cars. A lot of this will be sorted out now that new type log books have been issued, as obviously, for most of the cars that no longer exist, a new document will not have been applied for.
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Post by richardzf on Sept 7, 2006 6:05:01 GMT
Roger, Your figure of 9,099 is about right for the TOTAL number of P5B Coupes manufactured. Around 11,000 P5B Saloons were produced. A TOTAL of around 46,000 P5s were built, 37,000 for the Home Market. The DVLA won't provide the sort of figures you are after, but one of their Licensed Agents dealing in 'anonymous' statistics can offer the information (at a fee, naturally !) I have done some research on numbers of P5s and P5Bs still left, but it gets very confusing since some Log Books / V5s don't differentiate bewteen P5Bs and P6Bs, calling them both Rover 3500s. The numbers of 3 litres surviving is very disappointing........(maybe 1.1% !) P5Bs do much better, but then they're all that much newer, relatively.
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Post by Roy of the Rovers on Sept 7, 2006 9:57:56 GMT
Smallfry, the new style log book theory could also be misleading. I have several cars and I only have a new style log book on my every day car...the ford mundano. Don't see the point in applying for new ones for the others as yet as I have no intention to sell them!
I'm sure there are many others in the same boat as me..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2006 13:05:19 GMT
In an article about Dolomite Sprints, a figure of 17,000 was mentioned of which only about 400 survive.
Can't remember if the 17,000 was all Dolomites or all sprints (Can't imaging it would be all Sprints? - I will check and report back.)
Adrian
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Post by Smallfry on Sept 7, 2006 20:41:24 GMT
Roy..........In May I phoned the DVLA about the four vehicles I own that have not been on the road for several years, and I was told that if I did not get a new log book, I could lose the entitlement to retain the vehicles original number. Whether this is ultimately true or not I don't know. It seems to me that they themselves do not know the correct "rules" and make it up as they go along ! Whoever you speak to seems to have a different story I save hassle and more importantly expense later (which of course is really what its all about) l would get them updated now while it still costs nothing, and they do not want to actually see the vehicle They will even return the old document if you ask them in a covering letter !
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Post by Geoff Arthur on Sept 7, 2006 22:16:47 GMT
There was an article in Practical Classics a few months back and the outcome was, you need to get a new style V5C for any car even if it has not been on the road for many years. I applied for one for my P5B saloon as it has been in restoration for about 10 years. The new V5C came back after a couple of weeks without comment. They will not put it in historic class until I return it to the road though or make you apply for SORN before that.
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Roger
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Post by Roger on Sept 8, 2006 12:48:01 GMT
I don't recall applying for a V5C I think it just arrived one day.
Glad to hear I wasn't completely off base with my 9,099 figure.
Thanks for the info.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2006 10:49:59 GMT
does anyone know how many cars went to Australia?? you dont see too many over here infact apart from magazines ive only seen a handfull in the metal.
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