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Post by eisdielenbiker on Nov 19, 2008 19:59:13 GMT
Hello, I had bought some Securon inertia rear belts from JRW for my P5B Coupé to place children safely in their seats. The difficulties started with the 7/16 UNF bolt being too short at 4 cm. I ordered 2 longer ones from a German source. After that i realized that the reel protrudes to far into the space where the rear seat back is supposed to be. How did you fix those types of belt reels in your cars ? Can one use the factory fixing points at all ? Should I use the double L-sized bracket in the red line marked manner to position the reel rightly? Isn't that unsafe then?  Thank you for help! Mark |
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Nov 19, 2008 21:15:55 GMT
There have been various botches of fixing inertia seat belts to the rear seats as the mounts are not really designed for them especially in Coupes. The undershelf steel is to thin anyway without thick spreading plates. The best setup I have seen has the reels mounted underneath the shelf hidden but how it was done I am not sure
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Post by Colin McA on Nov 19, 2008 22:48:53 GMT
I had a similar dilema. I had seat belts fitted but wasn't very happy with them and they got in the way of the headreast. A friend of mine fitted his undershelf and I decided that was the wa to go. I bought new belts in a colour to match the leather. Where it comes through the shelf I have stainless steel finishers to make it look good. I cant find the finished photo to show this I am afraid. I would weld a wee plate to add strength.  original belt. You can just seen the finishers lying on the shelf.  This shows the original mounting hole (bottom left), Hole for the seat belt fitted is just below the card template, Then there is the template marked out prior to cutting.  The shelf has been cut to accept my new belts. It took a bit of lining up as there is the fuel filler and head rests to work around. The finished fit is neat and the polished steel plate looks smart. With your belts the original mounting is not much use as you wont clear the seat. I would also be concerned about that bracket (think of how the force of the belt would bend it). I would position the belt to where you want it to sit, mark it up and drill a hole, not easy with the screen in place. You will need a steel plate to spread the load, you should also have got spacers with your seat belts. On an interesting point, look underneath the parcel shelf vinyl panel, there is a couple of holes cut in the cardboard that don't corespond to the holes in the parcel shelf one of these may be a for belts like yours although the metal still needs cut/drilled. Colin |
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Post by eisdielenbiker on Nov 20, 2008 8:19:42 GMT
Colin, this is great work you have done. In the beginning that was a solution i liked too. Then i decided to take a short route. That comes out as wrong now. Luckily I have a big piece of buckskin vinyl here to redo the complete parcel shelf. I dont want a speaker for radio anyway. So i will follow your supposal in the end. What stainless steel finishers did you use ?
Mark
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Post by Warwick on Nov 20, 2008 9:12:04 GMT
Mark, could you please make sure that you photograph your progress?
I need to fit inertia reels too but hadn't thought of concealing them under the shelf. I'll need to make sure I have enough room if I put an LPG tank in place of the petrol tank.
Colin, how did you ensure that the belt didn't rub on the sides (ends) of the slot? Did your finisher provide polished covers there too?
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Post by eisdielenbiker on Nov 20, 2008 9:28:08 GMT
I thought it over. What I intend is to safely fix a children or baby seat at the rear. My 'oldest' son is just 2 and a half. For that purpose even a static belt should suffice for the next 10 years. I won't fit inertia at the moment.
I could try to research a parts number and price from Mercedes which can be used as a finisher for the vinyl cover. I would also post a photograph from my other cars finisher before, if you like the idea.
Mark
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Post by Warwick on Nov 20, 2008 12:33:30 GMT
Thanks Mark. A photo of the other car's reel would be good.
Yes, a static belt is much safer for a child's seat I think.
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Post by Colin McA on Nov 20, 2008 17:19:54 GMT
You can just make out the plastic I used. It is a sill finisher trim for old mini's. I will add the same to the four edges and maybe duct tape them at the joint or use something like arldite. The finisher is just for the vinyl where the belt comes through. The were pretty expensive for polish stainless steel but I suppose that they were laser cut or something. I got a whole set of chrome buckle seat belts with the shiny embelishers. The price initially seems high but comparable to the standard black aftermarket ones available. The firm I used was www.quickfitsbs.com/ they were very very helpful and the customer service was first class. They actually took the order, made the belts up and only when they were ready did they ask for payment. I offered a deposit but they declined. It was one of the best P5 related experiences I have had and would recommend them in the blink of an eye. Some of the other suppliers could learn a thing or two. Colin |
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Post by Warwick on Nov 20, 2008 22:29:40 GMT
Thanks.
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Post by eisdielenbiker on Dec 4, 2008 18:55:16 GMT
Thanks Mark. A photo of the other car's reel would be good. Yes, a static belt is much safer for a child's seat I think. Hello Warwick, sorry for the delay. When I checked my other car's finisher I noticed that they are bent at the corners because the B-Post is not very wide too. So these won't do it for the parcel shelve. Mark |
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Post by miguel on Dec 4, 2008 20:18:34 GMT
When you say static seat belts, you mean the ones without the reel, right? Like the ones installed in early models.
If so are they bolted in the back like the ones in front? A bolt that fits in a kind of clip? Thats a very easy way of installing rear seat belts. Pierce the vinyl and bolt on, and thats it?
And the bottom link?
OK thats enough questions....
Miguel
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Dec 4, 2008 21:22:22 GMT
Static belts are just 2 straps- one long fitted at each end with sliding tongue/male clip and one short fiited at one end with the latch/clip faster at the other. They were sometimes bolted direct as modern ones or via screw-in eyes with a detatchable clip.
Period inertia reel belts were like that too sometimes - neither sort had the "stalk" as has been legally required nowadays for a long time (for one hand use in front seats).
Static front belts were a legal fit requirement from the mid 1960's but no compulsion to wear till 1983.
They were a compulsory add on extra for the new car invoice like number plates, radio and VAT/Purchase tax so many had the cheapest standard "fit" static even on Rover P5B's. This avoided the added cartax (or purchase tax pre 1973) on them in the UK but not the VAT when it came in 1973.
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Post by miguel on Dec 4, 2008 21:47:22 GMT
Phil, from what you've said I have those type of front seat belts. For the rear ones, are the mounting holes installed? I need to fix them in the bottom of course. I dont remember seeing them, but I also was not looking for them...
For me it was perfect if the static ones could be easy intalled in the rear seats. I do want to use the car with my kids, and they are 5 and 3.
Thanks
Miguel
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Dec 4, 2008 21:57:32 GMT
They are and I posted some pics of them in September - lower rear Dpost-wheel arch, under top parcel shelf and rear tunnel - they should have a very large nylon Phillips head setscrew in them.
Statics are better for securing child seats but check for cororsion on the rear wheel arch/dpost
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Post by miguel on Dec 4, 2008 23:14:26 GMT
Got it Phil  The wheel arch ones I suppose are hidden under that glued carpet... Miguel |
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Dec 4, 2008 23:15:59 GMT
Yes - I posted pictures of my corroded/rusty ones
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Post by eisdielenbiker on Dec 5, 2008 8:50:38 GMT
Got it Phil The wheel arch ones I suppose are hidden under that glued carpet... Miguel Hi Miguel, i just noticed the green hose to the remote air vent under the back seat. Did you replace that too ? Mine was squeezed and a little blocked. Thus i took a yellow 1" suction hose from a garden pump to refit it properly. After that i realized that still to little air flowed through the remote vent. Thats why i blocked the closer vent to the blower by a short ring like piece of the hose. I adjusted as long until I reached an even airflow from both vents. But in Portugal a rear heater does not matter at all i guess. Regards Mark |
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Post by miguel on Dec 5, 2008 17:22:38 GMT
The picture is from before dismantle. The hose is in very good shape, and I'm going to keep it. The rear heater can be important in Portugal. Not only our winter can be cold (recently we had 8º lowest temperature; no matter what you say... THAT'S COLD), but especially in Summer: if the car is hoting up we can always turn on the heaters for cooling down  . It´s probably P5B Saloon, Sauna special edition. Miguel |
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Dec 5, 2008 17:41:23 GMT
Cold - that is warm for here in early winter
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Post by glennr on Dec 5, 2008 17:50:59 GMT
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Post by miguel on Dec 5, 2008 18:28:33 GMT
Sure thing you're very much welcome. Leave the beer to me. I must say we have excellent wine also. In fact we first had wine and only this last 20/30 years beer is gaining market.
One of the good things about the carpark is that is cool and fresh in those hot summer days. Perfect for work. Its cold in winter.
Is it my impression, or lately the discussions are ending in alcohol and derivates... ;D
Miguel
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Dec 5, 2008 18:47:22 GMT
Coldy Shmoldy just get on with the car so I can have a run in it next September   |
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Post by miguel on Dec 5, 2008 19:45:24 GMT
Coldy Shmoldy ?? ;D ;D ;D
The coldy part I understand.... Shmoldy?
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. It´s probably P5B Saloon, Sauna special edition.
