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Post by baconsdozen on Jan 29, 2011 17:16:02 GMT
I've checked previous threads and answers on here and it seems some have had more difficulty with this job than others.
I've had a look underneath and although the starter must come out from underneath I am correct in thinking various pipes and gubbins will need removal first?.There doesn't look enough room to drop it down without.I just get an ominous click from the starter a couple of times if the cars been stood a few days,once its started it then seems OK untill parked up for some while. I'm even wondering if the solenoid can be removed and cleaned in situ. A duff back means I don't really want to grovel underneath more than I'm forced and a stubborn streak means I don't want to simply farm the job out to someone either.
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Jan 29, 2011 17:38:47 GMT
No pipes need removal and it drops out underneath after undoing the 2 bolts literally if you let go as they are heavy and awkward - leave battery cable on
The two fixing bolts should have screwdriver slots to assist refitting.
It does seem to need attention
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Post by baconsdozen on Jan 30, 2011 9:20:13 GMT
Thanks for that Phil.
It looks like I've no excuse to drag the overalls out.(Other than its too cold at the moment). I'g guessing the internal contacts are iffy in the solenoid at least I can pull it to bits on th kitchen table (if I'm feeling brave).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2011 11:30:34 GMT
It is an awkward job because of the weight of the unit.
I tackled the removal and replacement back in August 2006 and there was quite a long thread about it at the time. This is my advice to you based on my memory of doing the work. It was not an easy job and I got cut, bruised and very bad-tempered!.
1) Work out in the Gym for a week prior to the job to build up strength in your upper arms and back. Try not to work out your forearms too much as they need to be as thin as possible. This problem would not have occured if Isaac Newton hadn't invented gravity which will be your worst enemy when you try to refit it! Seriously though, if you have a back problem you will need some help if the starter does not go back in on early attempts.It gets heavier and heavier and I was on the verge of giving up and then it just went back!
2) THIS IS THE IMPORTANT BIT Try to remember exactly how you removed the starter as you will need to reverse the procedure when trying to offer the starter back up.Take a photograph or two, whatever helps you. It has to twist in a certain way to pass through the frame.
3) I remember loosening the oil cooler pipes to give me some more leeway. Clean around the area and try to have a look at the starter ring to check its condition.
4) Get the starter overhauled properly before refitting. A new solenoid/brushes should be fitted as a matter of course. The rest will probably be ok. It's a simple robust unit usually full of dirt.
5) Don't bother to paint it nicely prior to refitting like I did as it will be scraped to B****ry by the time you've finished!
6) Do you have a pit or will you be working off stands? You really need to be able to stand under the car as I can't see how anyone could do it lying on their back but I'm sure someone has!
It's one of those jobs like replacing the retaining rings in the brake calipers. Some people seem to have no problems and others struggle.
Good luck!
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Post by baconsdozen on Jan 30, 2011 14:38:41 GMT
No,it will be a lying on the back job.I've got some good axle stands but I can't scrounge the use of a pit anymore.
A few years ago I fitted a new gearbox and overdrive in my transit laying under it with just an old trolley jack to help,and decided I'd pretty much had enough of messing about under old cars. I'm tempted to get hold of another starter to rebuild and then just swap them over, either way I'll let you know.
I wonder if boy scouts still do bob a job.
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Post by Warwick on Jan 31, 2011 3:37:36 GMT
From memory, you need to raise the forward end as you withdraw it from the engine, so that it is facing nose (pinion) down. However, I did do mine without the exhaust manifolds and heads fitted so there was more room and better visibility.
If you are going to be lying on your back underneath (I did mine on jack-stands too), it would help to have an assistant taking some of the weight from above with a rope.
I dropped it nose first into the palm of my hand on the floor and it then toppled over and hit me on the forehead. It didn't half hurt.
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Jan 31, 2011 20:08:33 GMT
Yes its heavy and slippery and can trap your fingers
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Post by baconsdozen on Feb 1, 2011 12:20:16 GMT
Yes its heavy and slippery and can trap your fingers Reminds me of the wifes handbag. |
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Post by peter5bcoupe on Feb 2, 2024 10:29:09 GMT
Just about to remove and replace starter motor on my wife's P5B coupe. Its only 54 years old, things should last longer than this. Embarrassingly the car had to be tilt trayed home, luckily in the dead of night so the neighbors did not see. I will get it on chassis stands tomorrow and have a look. This thread has been of great help.  |
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