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Post by stirlingmg on Sept 7, 2020 20:33:57 GMT
Wow what a corking picture
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Post by Warwick on Sept 8, 2020 4:49:26 GMT
My Dad took it in 1959. Looks like it was taken from the roof of a shop. Here's Google Street View of approximately the same spot 60 years later.
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Post by stirlingmg on Sept 8, 2020 6:14:41 GMT
The trees have grown a bit😄 Are those Holdens either side of the little Austin in the foreground?
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Post by Warwick on Sept 8, 2020 7:40:19 GMT
They are indeed. Well spotted. Also Holdens on either side of what looks like a Land-Rover, and another in the bottom right-hand corner. The street-scape is much prettier than it was 40, 50, and 60 years ago, but it was better back then. Many of the shops are cheap so-called $2 Shops, pawnbrokers, and vacant shops. Back when I was a kid, we knew the names of the butchers, chemists, greengrocers, real estate agents, and so on. It was a community. Here's our family's 1956 Holden back then. Dad gave it to me when I got my driver's licence.
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Post by Warwick on Sept 8, 2020 7:54:26 GMT
And for a bit more contrast, here is a shot of the shops at the left-hand side of the 2 previous photos. This one taken in 1925. I was 9 years old when that first photo was taken. My father was 11 years old when this one was taken.
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Post by stirlingmg on Sept 8, 2020 12:38:21 GMT
Oh a proper nice thing that old Holden, the ones I identified are very Opel-ish with a tiny hint of F Type Victor which is probably why I like them, what will they be FCs? That last picture is superb, very atmospheric
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Post by Warwick on Sept 8, 2020 14:36:41 GMT
Being 1959, they could be either FEs or FCs. A bit hard to tell at that distance. The pattern was that the models came in pairs. There would be a complete body change, and then the following model would be a facelift of that one. Then the next model would be a complete body redesign again, followed by a facelift. Mine was an FJ, the facelift version of the original Holden from 1948. That model was called the 48-215, but was retrospectively dubbed the FX by the public. If I remember correctly, it was based on a pre-war small Chevrolet Buick that never went into production. Too small for the American market. I wish I still had the FJ.
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Post by stirlingmg on Sept 8, 2020 22:22:41 GMT
The earlier version would be more or less the same to look at but with a vertically slatted grille, does that sound right? I love the pick-up (sorry, ute) version of your shape car, they look the part. Someone in the Scottish Borders was selling a Torano on eBay just last week, I forgot to keep an eye on it
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Post by Warwick on Sept 9, 2020 2:34:51 GMT
Correct.
Long after making my last post, as often happens these days, I suddenly remembered what I'd tried to recall earlier. It was a small Buick, not a Chev.
Do you know the origin of the ute?
The original Holden Torana was basically a rebadged Vauxhall Viva.
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Post by stirlingmg on Sept 9, 2020 6:01:19 GMT
Ah yes I can see the Buick in it, also the early version has a touch of Humber about it.
An old boy round here had a gorgeous E-series Velox pick-up which I believe came from your part of the world, I’ll hunt out a pic of it
I could see hints of both HB & HC Viva in the Torana for sale but with a big heavy straight six in it.
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Post by digger on Feb 1, 2021 8:36:11 GMT
New Zealand! My Rover P5B and I are about as far away from Rover's birthplace as it is possible to be. I own a Rover that was sold new in England and registered as TKX607J before coming to New Zealand in 1980 with it's new owner who kept it for over 30 years. The New Zealand registration plates are bolted over the top of the English ones.
From the paperwork that came with the car I can see that it was owned by Kenneth GOLDING of Hedgerley, BUCKS.
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Post by Mike’S-a-loon on Feb 2, 2021 13:08:03 GMT
G'day mate! Welcome, you have some lovely motoring ahead of you.
Is yours a Coupē or Saloon?
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Post by Warwick on Feb 16, 2021 9:52:04 GMT
Welcome digger. I've added you to the list on Page 1.
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Post by Jos on Mar 9, 2021 13:21:27 GMT
Hi Warwick, I am new to this forum and your thread seems to be the place for an introduction, just bought an original Dutch delivered 1970 LHD Saloon in Bordeaux red. The car came with full history and documentation of the past 50 years and was used by the buyer, a doctor, until 2003. It has a period Hollandia electric steel sunroof and the car was well cared for with specialist treatment and a full restauration 20 years ago by a well known restauration company in the Netherlands. It needs some bodywork repair now at the usual places, but mechanically the car is sound. The engine purrs like it should be and gearchange is smooth, of course the steering is vague as usual, but no leaking whatsoever. So this week we will start some maintenance, welding and spraying to get the car on the road before the summer. I look forward to enjoy it with the roof open on winding Dutch roads!
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Post by Warwick on Mar 15, 2021 13:31:28 GMT
Welcome Jos, I've added you to the list on Page 1. Good to see The Netherlands back after a long absence. The Hollandia roof seems appropriate.
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Post by Jos on Mar 15, 2021 16:10:03 GMT
I see I got a separate country in your list... The Netherlands and Netherlands are the same. Great work Warwick, to try and spot where they all are. In The Netherlands the P5 gets rarer and rarer. I presume there are not more than a couple of dozen left that are on the road at a regular basis. Somewhere on the internet I noticed that in the UK there are no more than 360 registered P5B's left, coupé and saloon together. LHD cars are even rarer, with only 450 saloons and 390 coupés built in total, not many cars survive. In 1970, when my car was built, only 120 LHD saloons where made in Solihull, my car must be one of few survivors of that series. So, let's try to keep this great cars rolling, they are definitively worth it!
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Post by MK IA Norway Viking on Mar 15, 2021 17:09:25 GMT
Good afternoon - are you still monitoring where which foreign owners are located ? I have two MK 1A; one manual (LHD export vehicle #90, registered first time 03/1962) and one auto (LHD export vehicle #525 registerd first time 08/1962).
I am living in Oslo, Norway so I have two of the rare MK 1A export LHD version; both of them bought new in Norway at a time when the p5 cost more than a Jaguar.
My uncle is the second owner of LHD export vehicle #133. His father bought it new.
Kindest regards, Christopher Cappelen Oslo Norway
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Post by MK IA Norway Viking on Mar 15, 2021 17:50:42 GMT
I see I got a separate country in your list... The Netherlands and Netherlands are the same. Great work Warwick, to try and spot where they all are. In The Netherlands the P5 gets rarer and rarer. I presume there are not more than a couple of dozen left that are on the road at a regular basis. Somewhere on the internet I noticed that in the UK there are no more than 360 registered P5B's left, coupé and saloon together. LHD cars are even rarer, with only 450 saloons and 390 coupés built in total, not many cars survive. In 1970, when my car was built, only 120 LHD saloons where made in Solihull, my car must be one of few survivors of that series. So, let's try to keep this great cars rolling, they are definitively worth it! Hi Jos - I live in Oslo, Norway and have two MK IA 1962 which are LHD; one is a manual vehicle no. 90 first registered in Norway 03/1962 and the other is an auto vehicle no. 525 registered in Norway 05/1962. My uncle is the second owner of manual car #133
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Post by Warwick on Mar 16, 2021 10:39:18 GMT
I see I got a separate country in your list... The Netherlands and Netherlands are the same. ............ Hi Jos, I used 'Netherlands' in the list on Page 1 because it's in alphabetical order. I don't know what your country is known as, in English, these days but to people of my vintage in Australia, it was always The Netherlands. Similarly with The Ukraine which I've noticed is called Ukraine now. There are others, but they don't immediately spring to mind. This is purely from an Australian perspective. EDIT: I've only just noticed what you were referring to, Jos. I thought you meant that I used Netherlands on Page 1, but The Netherlands in my previous post. THEN I discovered the double entry on Page 1. Now fixed. Thanks. .........Great work Warwick, to try and spot where they all are. ............ You're too generous, Jos. All I've done is list those who introduce themselves here. And thankyou for doing so.
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Post by Warwick on Mar 16, 2021 10:56:15 GMT
I live in Oslo, Norway and have two MK IA 1962 which are LHD; one is a manual vehicle no. 90 first registered in Norway 03/1962 and the other is an auto vehicle no. 525 registered in Norway 05/1962. My uncle is the second owner of manual car #133 Welcome Christopher. Page 1 updated.
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Post by MK IA Norway Viking on Mar 16, 2021 12:53:47 GMT
I live in Oslo, Norway and have two MK IA 1962 which are LHD; one is a manual vehicle no. 90 first registered in Norway 03/1962 and the other is an auto vehicle no. 525 registered in Norway 05/1962. My uncle is the second owner of manual car #133 Welcome Christopher. Page 1 updated. Thank you, Warwick. Nice to be here :-)
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Post by Jos on Mar 16, 2021 13:53:18 GMT
Great history of those cars mk1a1962, I love it when you know the history of a car. Must be the oldest in Norway?
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Post by Jos on Mar 16, 2021 13:55:45 GMT
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Post by Warwick on Mar 17, 2021 7:00:09 GMT
I seem to recall that technically, Holland is a region of The Netherlands. Is that correct? What do the Dutch call it, and call themselves, in Dutch? Nether is old English for lower. As in your 'nether regions' when euphemistically referring to your crotch area. So I've always assumed that The Netherlands (lowlands) was the old English name for the region.
You also have the Pennsylvania Dutch in the USA. And they are of German heritage. Somewhere in the distant past, 'Deutsch' morphed into 'Dutch'.
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Post by MK IA Norway Viking on Mar 17, 2021 7:32:08 GMT
There are so few P5s in Norway and I know of the existence of only three more cars of which one is definitely off the road for a very long time to come (Owner is not fit to restore it) and one black car that is in Molde. A white one was recently sold in Bergen however I do not know the "chassis number" of neither of them.
My manual #90 is of a total production run of 399 LHD cars starting 08/1961. Mine was registered 03/1962 after having been transported from Solihull to Oslo by ship and so I presume it was ordered from the Dearler at the end of 1961.
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