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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2015 13:04:47 GMT
I think these bumpers (rear) would fit with minor fettling to a vehicle where the bumper irons were undamaged. One side of mine fitted easily with the addition of a 3mm shim behind one mounting point the other side needed the mounting irons bending.I wanted the bumper to fit with no strain at all on any of the mounting points so its nice and straight and also so when all bolted together it slides easily in and out of the chassis where it bolts.The parts I bent are the irons that join the bumper to the brackets that slide inside the chassis and I ended up with just a couple of thin spacers to achieve the bolts anchoring the bumpers rsther than trying to force things flush.
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Post by djm16 on Sept 20, 2015 22:37:59 GMT
I can't speak for Kevs car, but it is exceedingly unlikely that any car 50y old has never nudged anything with their bumpers. Even a minor nudge will distort the support brackets slighly which is then tensioned back into place by the bumper.
I have a 6 ft length of 3 inch steel tube I use as a lever to get the supports close to the bumper bolt holes before trying to get a bumper back on.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 9:46:09 GMT
Will be starting on front bumper today.Picture of new (bottom) and old (top) bumpers. The over riders fit well ,no gaps. The old bumper looks better than it is in the picture,it is pitted badly.
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Post by cyf on Sept 21, 2015 17:25:32 GMT
I'm happy for you Kev
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2015 10:26:39 GMT
Front bumper fitted. I had to alter the mounts for the over riders,the long bar that holds the tree sections together and replace the afour bolts with longer studs. The bumper fits well,no gaps and nice and rigid. Group Harrington have asked for feedback and I'm sending them details and pictures of the mods. However despite it being more complex than I thought and it took a lot longer than a straight bolt on job I am pleased with the end result,I am also perhaps too fussy as I wanted the assemblies to fit without any strain on the fixing points. The workmanship on the actual bumpers and the fit of the over riders etc is very good.I will add pictures and comments to hopefully help anyone else fitting these after I have heard Group Harringtons comments.
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Post by Warwick on Sept 24, 2015 2:41:30 GMT
Looks good Kev.
The friend who got me into Range Rovers 30 years ago is going on a cruise to Vietnam in a few weeks. Perhaps I should ask him to bring back a pair in his hand luggage.
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Post by cyf on Sept 24, 2015 19:52:23 GMT
What are you doing next Week end Kev? Do you fancy a trip to France?
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Post by petervdvelde on Sept 26, 2015 22:43:47 GMT
Thanks Cyf and Kev for co development of the SS bumpers and being brave to buy an early set. I am also considering to buy a set and am much more confident now, seeing the bumpers on Kev's car.
Peter
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2015 9:33:02 GMT
I found the bolt holes in the bumpers on the ends and in the middle for the overiders were slightly out of line compared to the original long bumper iron. They would fit but had to be strained to do so. I also found that the bolts for the overiders tended to pull the long bar until it started to curve.Assembled as supplied the complete assembly had a slight downward droop a bit like Pancho Villas moustache. I substituted three inch long studding for the overider bolts. The original rover supports behind the bumper don't fit and I cut these down on one side and reprofiled them to bit better behind the bumper. I added a 1/4 inch thick block to stop the bar bending as the nuts were tightened and they securely clamped the overiders in place and left the long bar dead straight.I found it easier to fit the overiders and then screw the studding into the backs of them through the holes in the bumpers. The slots in the original bumper bar would not line up with the bumpers holes unless forced,they are out by 1/4 inch or so. I cut the slots and then welded the removed section back deliberately leaving room for any final adjustments. The bumper irons that hold bumper to chassis then fitted without and alteration and the complete assembly fitted straight onto the original fixings. The end result is a bumper that looks very much the same as the original that is dead straight and follows the shape of the wings and valence etc very well. With hindsight the slot in the straight bar could have been smaller. All in all I consider the work on fitting well worth it. I can't really see how Group Harrington could really improve these without a complete rethink and probably a big increase in price,they have asked for my comments but other than supplying some studs instead of bolt (as per above) I would think there's not much more they could do,they seem to have improved the product since this thread started so the earliest experimenters have done us all a favour. I appreciate other people might have more or less difficulty as these are after all a hand made product,I can only set out my own personal experience and I do so,with no fear or favour.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2015 9:47:09 GMT
They look nice Kev and you've done a good job of fitting them but you do have practical skills & the right facilities that many others don't have (especially the welder!)
I still think folks should just be able to fit these with the minimum of fettling so I remain unconvinced and would personally not buy them at present.
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Post by cyf on Sept 28, 2015 19:41:34 GMT
Well, I think that this thread has reach its goal: I summary, the product is good but those who want it must be aware that it not might be a simple bolt on job and need some help if they don't have the required skills. No?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2015 6:22:53 GMT
Perfectly summed up Cyf.
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Post by gingerbeer62 on Nov 2, 2015 15:25:05 GMT
Well, my bumpers have arrived. Considering they are made from scratch, a month including delivery is pretty good. Only looked at one piece so far and a lovely polish. Let you know how the fitting goes. Cheers Colin
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Post by barryr on Nov 2, 2015 23:20:38 GMT
Blimey my rear bumper has been in the chromers longer than that!,
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Post by gingerbeer62 on Nov 3, 2015 8:36:27 GMT
Blimey my rear bumper has been in the chromers longer than that!, Yes, I expected them to take longer than that. I actually paid on the 6th Oct and they arrived yesterday 2nd Nov. !! They seem to have got their act together in reference to earlier posts. When I have a go at fitting I will post results. Cheers Colin
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Nov 3, 2015 8:44:22 GMT
Blimey my rear bumper has been in the chromers longer than that!, Yes Barry but they are stronger
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Post by guidedog on Nov 3, 2015 9:16:45 GMT
Looking at the pics on Gingerbeers62,s post they do look thinner.
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Nov 3, 2015 9:38:59 GMT
Looking at the pics on Gingerbeers62,s post they do look thinner. I did talk to them a long time ago and the gauge they use is thinner than the std P5 bumper and the grade of SS is softer than what is used on the std bumper. They look ok but the colour is not the same as Nickel Chrome so for me they are not "The Holy Grail" but they do the job This post from another Marque site :- On the recommendation of Forum members I've just purchased stainless steel bumpers from Harrington and I'm not particularly happy with them. The finish is NOT identical to chrome, it is exactly like bright Nickel plating, the metal is probably half the thickness and weight of the original steel, so very flimsy, the fit isn't great, I've spent an hour getting ti to bolt together and the captive nuts are 10mm Metric Coarse rather than 3/8" UNF, which is a nuisance on an all UNF or UNC car. They'll look okay but not original and they'll be easily damaged.
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Post by gingerbeer62 on Nov 3, 2015 10:29:17 GMT
Looking at the pics on Gingerbeers62,s post they do look thinner. I did talk to them a long time ago and the gauge they use is thinner than the std P5 bumper and the grade of SS is softer than what is used on the std bumper. They look ok but the colour is not the same as Nickel Chrome so for me they are not "The Holy Grail" but they do the job This post from another Marque site :- On the recommendation of Forum members I've just purchased stainless steel bumpers from Harrington and I'm not particularly happy with them. The finish is NOT identical to chrome, it is exactly like bright Nickel plating, the metal is probably half the thickness and weight of the original steel, so very flimsy, the fit isn't great, I've spent an hour getting ti to bolt together and the captive nuts are 10mm Metric Coarse rather than 3/8" UNF, which is a nuisance on an all UNF or UNC car. They'll look okay but not original and they'll be easily damaged. Yes, I would agree that Chrome is preferable to the stainless ones. There is nothing quite like a good chroming. But, the way I look at it is - there are lots of stainless parts already on the car so they will blend in nicely I feel. They will never rust of course but some of the chrome one have lasted a long time as well, so marginal there. I don't mind if they are a bit thinner as my rover is not going to be used as a bumper car ! I have just been and measured - The original is overider 1.5 mm and the stainless is 1.3 mm. The back bumper is just over 2mm and so is the stainless. So, quite pleased there as no difference to speak of. My back one has quite a lot of rust on it - so looks will prevail there. The front one got bent by a lady in a Golf. So as I was awarded third party damages, it helped pay for the new ones. There was also some rust bubbling on the front but wasn't too bad. I could have lived with it. So mainly - part opportunity to get a nice set and part the back one being rough. Happy so far. Some pictures of my "crash". Bumper does not look to bad in picture but was bent down at the end as it flexed around the mounting bar. Chrome had lifted due to bending. No damage to indicator apart from lens - renewed. Mark on wing polished out - after engineering assessor had been of course. Hole in Golf and scratches. Cheers Colin
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Nov 3, 2015 11:08:22 GMT
I am not knocking your bumpers Colin if they look good and you are happy they have done the job It was either 302 or 304 they used from memory as its ductile! it polishes up ok but not a deep a shine as 316 and like chrome it will scratch but at least you can buff them out I just measured the average edges of my bumpers 2.7mm to 2.8mm and the over riders are the same the very ends where they are formed are 2.2mm this is due to the material being stretched this will be the same with the SS on all bends. Just out of curiosity Colin how well does a Magnet stick? SS is my favourite metal to work with but the quality varies depending on where it comes from? and the way things are going we wont soon have a choice of country to buy from!!!!
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Post by gingerbeer62 on Nov 3, 2015 11:32:46 GMT
I am not knocking your bumpers Colin if they look good and you are happy they have done the job It was either 302 or 304 they used from memory as its ductile! it polishes up ok but not a deep a shine as 316 and like chrome it will scratch but at least you can buff them out I just measured the average edges of my bumpers 2.7mm to 2.8mm and the over riders are the same the very ends where they are formed are 2.2mm this is due to the material being stretched this will be the same with the SS on all bends. Just out of curiosity Colin how well does a Magnet stick? SS is my favourite metal to work with but the quality varies depending on where it comes from? and the way things are going we wont soon have a choice of country to buy from!!!! I have a large one of those extra sticky magnets - molib something or other , rare earth etc and there is very little attraction. Lot less than I expected. So very little ferric in there then. Cheers Colin PS don't go knocking my bumpers - they are new and I have already had a Golf driver "knock" my bumper.
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Post by guidedog on Nov 3, 2015 12:26:47 GMT
Its a good sign with very little magnetism as you say the Ferris metal there is very small. I did read where a guy had bars made for Aston Martin and had them chromed. That seems a little OTT
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Post by gingerbeer62 on Nov 3, 2015 19:28:18 GMT
Its a good sign with very little magnetism as you say the Ferris metal there is very small. I did read where a guy had bars made for Aston Martin and had them chromed. That seems a little OTT Ferric ?? There are some interesting comments on here about Chrome v Stainless and Plating Stainless. Not just bumpers. www.finishing.com/128/77.shtmlAnd here is someone who does it. Plating stainless does seem a bit over the top. www.premierplatingworks.co.uk/electroplating-on-stainless-steel.phpCheers Colin
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Post by Warwick on Nov 4, 2015 1:24:14 GMT
... - they are new and I have already had a Golf driver "knock" my bumper. What size was it Colin? A No.2 wood? That could make quite a dent if properly wielded.
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Post by gingerbeer62 on Nov 4, 2015 8:15:32 GMT
... - they are new and I have already had a Golf driver "knock" my bumper. What size was it Colin? A No.2 wood? That could make quite a dent if properly wielded. Very Good - Very good Cheers Colin
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